Lebron Going Forward

[gameissued]

The whole NBA China thing was a mess. I think LeBron actually took one for the team (the whole NBA). Daryl Morey is a moron! His tweet was probably equivalent to Britney Griner going back to Russia and posting her support for Ukraine with a joint in her hand.

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Not perfection. Just not this. My apologies if this is what you consider brave and outspoken.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by gameissued

The whole NBA China thing was a mess. I think LeBron actually took one for the team (the whole NBA). Daryl Morey is a moron! His tweet was probably equivalent to Britney Griner going back to Russia and posting her support for Ukraine with a joint in her hand.

Yikes.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by gameissued

The whole NBA China thing was a mess. I think LeBron actually took one for the team (the whole NBA). Daryl Morey is a moron! His tweet was probably equivalent to Britney Griner going back to Russia and posting her support for Ukraine with a joint in her hand.

Yikes.

[oldgoldy97]

China is so despised yet we’re living through what happens when they’re taken out of the economy (if only just a little).

[Wade Mulroy]

Haven’t read the whole thread, but just wanted to share my opinion from someone that owns very little Lebron and neither love or hate him.

I feel confident that prices on his key cards will appreciate in the coming years, compared to where they are right now. I find it a bit hard to believe that I would be able to (in general) buy his cards cheaper today that I could in 10 years or whatever.

That being said, I think people could make a fair argument there are better “investments” in players that would appreciate more over the same time period. Of course, if anyone knew definitely what the future holds, then we wouldn’t have day jobs. Just my opinion.

[dream34]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Not perfection. Just not this. My apologies if this is what you consider brave and outspoken.

THAT is what this anti-Lebron sentiment has been centered around? I thought it was something much much worse. Forgive me as I only check in once a while on this stuff.

Wasn't it documented that the NBA lost $200 Million specifically because of that Morey tweet? The tweet he sent while he was safe at home and NBA players on the Lakers & Nets were IN CHINA? Aside from the pure business harm Morey did to his partners/coworkers, he also put them in danger. If I recall correctly the NBA, his owner and players were absolutely furious at Morey for doing it and he eventually lost his job. It wasn't just Lebron that didn't like it, he was just the one who spoke on it. Lebron already didn't have a great relationship with Morey and he took it at as his chance to throw a shot his way for putting his guys in danger.

I don't know if you guys travel a lot but the saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" is absolutely something you should follow. It is not my place to tell other people how to live their lives on the land they own. China in particular has centuries long history of human indecencies that are littered with human sacrifices. Thankfully we do not.

Still to ignore all the other stuff the guy does and to condemn a guy because he's a businessman and simply does not fight every single battle there is to fight. Again - friends, family, coworkers, students, student's families are all thankful for the guy and everything he does for them.

People are amazing...

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by dream34

THAT is what this anti-Lebron sentiment has been centered around? I thought it was something much much worse. Forgive me as I only check in once a while on this stuff.

Wasn't it documented that the NBA lost $200 Million specifically because of that Morey tweet? The tweet he sent while he was safe at home and NBA players on the Lakers & Nets were IN CHINA? Aside from the pure business harm Morey did to his partners/coworkers, he also put them in danger. If I recall correctly the NBA, his owner and players were absolutely furious at Morey for doing it and he eventually lost his job. It wasn't just Lebron that didn't like it, he was just the one who spoke on it. Lebron already didn't have a great relationship with Morey and he took it at as his chance to throw a shot his way for putting his guys in danger.

I don't know if you guys travel a lot but the saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" is absolutely something you should follow. It is not my place to tell other people how to live their lives on the land they own. China in particular has centuries long history of human indecencies that are littered with human sacrifices. Thankfully we do not.

Still to ignore all the other stuff the guy does and to condemn a guy because he's a businessman and simply does not fight every single battle there is to fight. Again - friends, family, coworkers, students, student's families are all thankful for the guy and everything he does for them.

People are amazing...

But he doesn’t do everything for everyone. Hence the green eyed monsters.

[hermanotarjeta]

Bron bois still with lambo dreams?

Gotta love the hobby!

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by dream34

THAT is what this anti-Lebron sentiment has been centered around? I thought it was something much much worse. Forgive me as I only check in once a while on this stuff.

Wasn't it documented that the NBA lost $200 Million specifically because of that Morey tweet? The tweet he sent while he was safe at home and NBA players on the Lakers & Nets were IN CHINA? Aside from the pure business harm Morey did to his partners/coworkers, he also put them in danger. If I recall correctly the NBA, his owner and players were absolutely furious at Morey for doing it and he eventually lost his job. It wasn't just Lebron that didn't like it, he was just the one who spoke on it. Lebron already didn't have a great relationship with Morey and he took it at as his chance to throw a shot his way for putting his guys in danger.

I don't know if you guys travel a lot but the saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" is absolutely something you should follow. It is not my place to tell other people how to live their lives on the land they own. China in particular has centuries long history of human indecencies that are littered with human sacrifices. Thankfully we do not.

Still to ignore all the other stuff the guy does and to condemn a guy because he's a businessman and simply does not fight every single battle there is to fight. Again - friends, family, coworkers, students, student's families are all thankful for the guy and everything he does for them.

People are amazing...

NBA does biz with the CCP, some blowback comes with the territory.

Morey tweeted, "Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong."

Because, as a matter of fact, an evil regime is screwing over and oppressing the people of Hong Kong, doing what it always does when it gets to "govern" people.

And standing up for the people of HK is what's supposed to get the blowback according to some bootlickers?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by dream34

THAT is what this anti-Lebron sentiment has been centered around? I thought it was something much much worse. Forgive me as I only check in once a while on this stuff.

Wasn't it documented that the NBA lost $200 Million specifically because of that Morey tweet? The tweet he sent while he was safe at home and NBA players on the Lakers & Nets were IN CHINA? Aside from the pure business harm Morey did to his partners/coworkers, he also put them in danger. If I recall correctly the NBA, his owner and players were absolutely furious at Morey for doing it and he eventually lost his job. It wasn't just Lebron that didn't like it, he was just the one who spoke on it. Lebron already didn't have a great relationship with Morey and he took it at as his chance to throw a shot his way for putting his guys in danger.

I don't know if you guys travel a lot but the saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" is absolutely something you should follow. It is not my place to tell other people how to live their lives on the land they own. China in particular has centuries long history of human indecencies that are littered with human sacrifices. Thankfully we do not.

Still to ignore all the other stuff the guy does and to condemn a guy because he's a businessman and simply does not fight every single battle there is to fight. Again - friends, family, coworkers, students, student's families are all thankful for the guy and everything he does for them.

People are amazing...

Surprising stance from you. But you’re entitled to it.

[GOATcards]

new realgm thread

Is there anything else Lebron could accomplish to make you reconsider him as the goat?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by dream34

THAT is what this anti-Lebron sentiment has been centered around? I thought it was something much much worse. Forgive me as I only check in once a while on this stuff.

Wasn't it documented that the NBA lost $200 Million specifically because of that Morey tweet? The tweet he sent while he was safe at home and NBA players on the Lakers & Nets were IN CHINA? Aside from the pure business harm Morey did to his partners/coworkers, he also put them in danger. If I recall correctly the NBA, his owner and players were absolutely furious at Morey for doing it and he eventually lost his job. It wasn't just Lebron that didn't like it, he was just the one who spoke on it. Lebron already didn't have a great relationship with Morey and he took it at as his chance to throw a shot his way for putting his guys in danger.

I don't know if you guys travel a lot but the saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" is absolutely something you should follow. It is not my place to tell other people how to live their lives on the land they own. China in particular has centuries long history of human indecencies that are littered with human sacrifices. Thankfully we do not.

Still to ignore all the other stuff the guy does and to condemn a guy because he's a businessman and simply does not fight every single battle there is to fight. Again - friends, family, coworkers, students, student's families are all thankful for the guy and everything he does for them.

People are amazing...

Over 2600 people were injured and 15 people were killed by the Chinese authorities. You really think you can put a monetary value on that? The NBA players refused to play when Joseph Blake was injured by police. The Nets and Lakers should have refused to play and LeBron should have been leading, not sending a message to Hong Kongers that their lives don't matter.

[YayNJ]

the second greatest player behind Michael Jordan

sometimes it's best to go way outside of the USA and basketball mad enviroments to gauge true appeal/reach of the biggest megastars, and in say, the UK for example, if you asked a total random on the street to name three basketball players they would struggle.

Jordan would be the one certainty.
Some people might also mention Lebron James.
a tiny few might mention Scottie Pippen, Shaq, kobe or Dennis Rodman.

[dream34]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Surprising stance from you. But you’re entitled to it.

Appreciate it Khal. I know touchy subject. When the issue happened a few years ago I engaged with some friends in texting banter for a bit. In the end it was pretty obvious that Morey's move was fairly shortsighted and irresponsible of his position. I definitely lean business with these types of things as it's just impossible to task a business with fixing these types of issues. It was going to ruin so much hard work and endanger so many NBA employees, not just the players. You can bet every employee of the NBA suffered from it financially also. If this were to happen at any other big corporation I'd imagine there would be some very big hate aimed at the employee (Morey) who caused the damage. $200M is about 7 Million for each team. About the price of a role player or 60-70 employees per team.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by dream34

Appreciate it Khal. I know touchy subject. When the issue happened a few years ago I engaged with some friends in texting banter for a bit. In the end it was pretty obvious that Morey's move was fairly shortsighted and irresponsible of his position. I definitely lean business with these types of things as it's just impossible to task a business with fixing these types of issues. It was going to ruin so much hard work and endanger so many NBA employees, not just the players. You can bet every employee of the NBA suffered from it financially also. If this were to happen at any other big corporation I'd imagine there would be some very big hate aimed at the employee (Morey) who caused the damage. $200M is about 7 Million for each team. About the price of a role player or 60-70 employees per team.

corporations can indeed get blood on their hands, yes

Would the NBA meet ESG investing standards? Social responsibility?

[GOATcards]

this same responsible LeBron in his capacity as social advocate recklessly put the target on the back of a police officer doing his/her job.

The hypocrisy is there, no doubt.

[GOATcards]

as for on-court longevity, Bron has opened up a nearly 30-VORP gap on the next guy
https://www.basketball-reference.com...rp_career.html

[GOATcards]

One mark Bron has left on the game that some of us will notice is his career MVP Share, in an era where no one else has come anywhere close, given how crowded the league and stacked a 5-name MVP ballot has to be nowadays.
https://www.basketball-reference.com...vp_shares.html

In terms of regular-season MVPs he has 4 with no other active player with more than two. Same deal with Finals MVPs. (Timmy was mostly a contemporary of Bron's and he had 3. Timmy's damn good, maybe in the top half of Crowley's eight GOAT candidates.)

Chef Curry's Warriors have matched Bron's teams in chips, that's about the only serious point of comparison and we've heard all the arguments about how their respective chips should be contextualized. (E.g., if it was KD teaming up with Bron instead of with Steph for the '17 and '18 Finals, we know who would have won those. We might reframe the '17 and '18 Stacked GSW teams as payback for Bron's earlier superteam-builds. Bron never had a prime-KD-level teammate, however. So there. edit: then again, '20 Unibrow was pretty dominant.)

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by dream34

THAT is what this anti-Lebron sentiment has been centered around?

It's not just about that one incident there have been several dumb things he's said on social media. This was also the same time China was committing genocide, not sure if they still are or not.

Originally Posted by GOATcards

this same responsible LeBron in his capacity as social advocate recklessly put the target on the back of a police officer doing his/her job.

The hypocrisy is there, no doubt.

This was one of the other times i was trying to remember. Can't remember exactly what he said but it was something along the line's of you're next. For a cop who defended himself if i recall correctly.

Then there was also the tweet about Kyle Rittenhouse from James mocking him while he was on the stand crying retelling the night of horror he lived through defending himself from a pedophile mob chasing after him for putting out a fire in a dumpster they were trying to roll towards a cop car barricade.

So for him to talk about "knowing the facts" before someone speaks out...yeah he should take a lesson from himself.

[KhalDrogo]

The cop shot a girl that was about to kill another girl, and somehow LeBron in all his delusions decided to attack the cop.

[SupermanBrandon]

Wait until LeBron retires. His antics and opinions are going to magnify x10. He will have to find a way back into the spotlight without the league. His mouth is going to have a lot of opinions very soon.


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[bkcardcollector]

he'll be in the league as GM or owner or something, plus all his endorsement deals, thank goodness. His opinions are more like anti-opinions anyways.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

Then there was also the tweet about Kyle Rittenhouse from James mocking him while he was on the stand crying retelling the night of horror he lived through defending himself from a pedophile mob chasing after him for putting out a fire in a dumpster they were trying to roll towards a cop car barricade.

Kyle, this you?


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[BreaultCards]

Lebron almost never gets the credit he deserves for what he has done and gets 10x the flack for off the court stuff that is never really bad at all. Mostly just 30-50 year old males hate on him and always have. I think he’ll be fine.

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by BRob1

Kyle, this you?


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I remember you now for agreeing with the anti-Kyle crowd. Or was it all the looting and burning of half the country down, hatred towards police officers that you liked seeing?

Are you one of them pedophiles from Kenosha that survived chasing after him that night who was looting and burning half the city down? Or are you with the Portland ANTIFA affiliate? Pretty much the same bunch imo.

Weird who some people align themselves with...but you do you and i'll do me mmm kay?