2021-22 The Cup -- Are you buying??? Vote!

[rizzeedizzee]

Given that you don't need to do much digging to find a pretty amazing deal going on right now for 20-21 The Cup, my guess is the price for 21-22, which I can't possibly see being a better long term hold given the rookies, is going to drop too, at least as low if not lower.

[The_Reverend]

2021-22 is a very deep class and the only negative about holding is the redemptions. 2020-21 has some previously discounted RC’s that are now producing. I think any Cup Tins over $500 is not reasonable because a person should be in the 50-60% average ROI on a tin. We know ripping is a loss leader, but 1200 for a Tin is absolutely ridiculous.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

2021-22 is a very deep class and the only negative about holding is the redemptions. 2020-21 has some previously discounted RC’s that are now producing. I think any Cup Tins over $500 is not reasonable because a person should be in the 50-60% average ROI on a tin. We know ripping is a loss leader, but 1200 for a Tin is absolutely ridiculous.

Problem with 20/21 is that your headliners have stopped producing so there is no big name chase. KK, Jrob, Stutzle, Lafreniere, Cozens are all having mediocre hobby years.
edit: I suppose 21/22 has the same problem with its 2 big guns slowing down. There is a very large second tier of guys that are producing though.

[kingb22]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Problem with 20/21 is that your headliners have stopped producing so there is no big name chase. KK, Jrob, Stutzle, Lafreniere, Cozens are all having mediocre hobby years.
edit: I suppose 21/22 has the same problem with its 2 big guns slowing down. There is a very large second tier of guys that are producing though.

The upside on 20-21 is that even in a mildly disappointing year, Stutzle is now up to 43pts in 42 games; Kirill 42 in 39; JRob 48 in 46. Cozens is definitely a worry, and Laffy looks like a solid 2nd liner but not much more (26pts in 46 games). Stutzle in particular still looks a star in making, esp. since he's younger than the vast majority of 21-22 and 22-23 guys

Not to say I'm not also big on a bunch of the 21-22 guys, but I was pretty surprised to see that Seth Jarvis (34 in 45) is basically tied w/ Caufield (35 in 46) and Raymond (35 in 46) among all the guys in the set. Although I'd probably still lean Seider & Byfield as my top two prospects .. and have literally no clue on Zegras at this point.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by kingb22

The upside on 20-21 is that even in a mildly disappointing year, Stutzle is now up to 43pts in 42 games; Kirill 42 in 39; JRob 48 in 46. Cozens is definitely a worry, and Laffy looks like a solid 2nd liner but not much more (26pts in 46 games). Stutzle in particular still looks a star in making, esp. since he's younger than the vast majority of 21-22 and 22-23 guys

Not to say I'm not also big on a bunch of the 21-22 guys, but I was pretty surprised to see that Seth Jarvis (34 in 45) is basically tied w/ Caufield (35 in 46) and Raymond (35 in 46) among all the guys in the set. Although I'd probably still lean Seider & Byfield as my top two prospects .. and have literally no clue on Zegras at this point.

A good reminder it takes time for a lot of.these guys to.get to PPG level.

I'm mildly concerned about both classes. But to risk it for the rip I'd say something like 21-22 Premier at 198 or BD at 224 is what I'll be looking at. And living in FL they often go on sale at the LCS during the offseason.

[cholodolo]

Great card for $10:

[kingb22]

20-21 Ultimate was on sale for $180ish, so I watched some.older breaks on it. Truly shocking # of redemptions, all of which expire March 31, 2024. Felt like a hard pass but buyer beware if you are holding any of these boxes

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by kingb22

20-21 Ultimate was on sale for $180ish, so I watched some.older breaks on it. Truly shocking # of redemptions, all of which expire March 31, 2024. Felt like a hard pass but buyer beware if you are holding any of these boxes

Stutzle and Jrob are live, I think KK is live as I have an auto of his. Those are your main targets I would think.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Great card for $10:

And yet the seller had to sell with.that being one of the tin 'hits'. Never again.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by kluke84

And yet the seller had to sell with.that being one of the tin 'hits'. Never again.

Nice card BTW but once you back out the 2 base cards and this is one of the four...I'll take the 200 hobby boxes all day.

[Satan]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Great card for $10:

those are so clean

[Satan]

recent 21-22 The Cup pickups from COMC

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by Satan

recent 21-22 The Cup pickups from COMC

80% of output is buku. It's not even worth the ebay fee to list.

[odjickfan]

Originally Posted by Satan

recent 21-22 The Cup pickups from COMC

You can't go wrong with these, some nice looking cards for the price paid!

[Satan]

Originally Posted by kluke84

80% of output is buku. It's not even worth the ebay fee to list.

excuse me

[kingb22]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Stutzle and Jrob are live, I think KK is live as I have an auto of his. Those are your main targets I would think.

In the couple of cases I watched, redemptions were Kirill, Carter Hart (vet), Nicolas Beaudin (man how he used to haunt me!), Teuvu Teravainen (vet), Logan Stanley, Dylan Coughlan & Vasilevsky (Vet).

Stutzle, Cozens were definitely live. I didn't see any Jrob to know one way or the other. Again for what it's worth - it was fun to watch the old breaks.

[anusinha]

J Rob is live, I pulled patch auto of his. I have a KK introductions auto, were those live? He may have both live and redemptions.

[rizzeedizzee]

Originally Posted by anusinha

J Rob is live, I pulled patch auto of his. I have a KK introductions auto, were those live? He may have both live and redemptions.

KK does indeed have some cards live and some as redemptions in 20-21 Ultimate, just as some Jrobs are live in 20-21 Cup and some are redemptions.

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by kluke84

And yet the seller had to sell with.that being one of the tin 'hits'. Never again.

Originally Posted by kluke84

Nice card BTW but once you back out the 2 base cards and this is one of the four...I'll take the 200 hobby boxes all day.

Thank you and yes, I completely agree. Some like William Eklund are going for $3.25 at auction.

Originally Posted by Satan

those are so clean

I am fascinated with the shadows the more cards I see...McTavish doesn't have one, but Zegras and Podkolzin do. Curious how UD got them to align perfectly.

[JohnnyAppleseed]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Great card for $10:

These cards are really nice, not surprised (with the big names anyway) they're some of the strongest sellers out of this product. Beats the pants off of those awful chemical composition cards.

[cholodolo]

These are still very, very affordable -- done with the Ducks checklist.