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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Guess they didn't work too well for Mark Belanger.

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Yeah, and the steroids didn't work for everyone either. What's your point?

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Yeah, and the steroids didn't work for everyone either. What's your point?

Let me say it another way.

Amphetamines don't boost strength, thus not the same effect. They keep truckers awake. If you equate that to the steroid cheats then ok you do you.



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[Handsome Wes]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Guess they didn't work too well for Mark Belanger.

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has anyone ever accused Mark Belanger of PED use? What the heck?

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

has anyone ever accused Mark Belanger of PED use? What the heck?

He did greenies, same thing. Keep up.

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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Let me say it another way.

Amphetamines don't boost strength, thus not the same effect. They keep truckers awake. If you equate that to the steroid cheats then ok you do you.



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They boost your ability to hit a baseball. Sure, it doesn't improve your physical strength, but it improves your ability to make better contact, improving launch angles and exit velocities. They give you increased energy levels, meaning that your bat speed might be at higher levels late in games. Thus, turning F8's into HR.

Cheating is cheating is cheating. If you don't think greenies improved any player's power numbers, then you do you.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by whitmm

They boost your ability to hit a baseball. Sure, it doesn't improve your physical strength, but it improves your ability to make better contact, improving launch angles and exit velocities. Thus, turning F8's into HR.

Cheating is cheating is cheating. If you don't think greenies improved any player's power numbers, then you do you.

Amphetamines help performance, that's why all our olympians are "diagnosed" with adhd so they can get a medical exemption.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

I'll explain how a massive increase in strength speeds up your bat and impacts reaction time.

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Greenies also impact your reaction time...

[Handsome Wes]

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[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Greenies also impact your reaction time...

Lmao, exactly as I predicted you'd say. You are correct, they do. Everyone is on stimulants and only a handful were on HGH so which group is going to see the bigger statistical improvement?

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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

Lmao, exactly as I predicted you'd say. You are correct, they do. Everyone is on stimulants and only a handful were on HGH so which group is going to see the bigger statistical improvement?

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The group that took something to improve their performance.

[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Everyone who is cheating.

The players on stimulants have medical exemptions that are beyond easy to get. Just like a 9th grade child could. The players on HGH and designer modafanil need an army of scientists and masking agents. You believe that the folks on Ritalin are going to perform as well as the folks on super Ritalin and HGH? I'd also add that Pertavin only had 3mg of methamphetamine. We all have people in our life who likely get more stimulus from their coffee intake in a day.

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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

The players on stimulants have medical exemptions that are beyond easy to get. Just like a 9th grade child could. The players on HGH and designer modafanil need an army of scientists and masking agents. You believe that the folks on Ritalin are going to perform as well as the folks on super Ritalin and HGH? I'd also add that Pertavin only had 3mg of methamphetamine. We all have people in our life who likely get more stimulus from their coffee intake in a day.

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Those who are taking things that help improve performance are going to perform better then those who aren't.

Cheating is cheating.

[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Those who are taking things that help improve performance are going to perform better then those who aren't.



Cheating is cheating.

You're saying everything while trying to say nothing. Thank you

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[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Those who are taking things that help improve performance are going to perform better then those who aren't.



Cheating is cheating.

Is it cheating to be on Ritalin?

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[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Those who are taking things that help improve performance are going to perform better then those who aren't.



Cheating is cheating.

I know for a fact uppers helped Jessie Spano pass her final. You should tell Mr Belding.

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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

You're saying everything while trying to say nothing. Thank you

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Greenies help improve performance. You are the one trying to start a debate over which performance enhancing drugs are better. Not me. I responded to a comment about greenies not turning F8s in HRs (they can) and your comment about steroids improving reaction times (greenies do that too).

Even if everyone was taking greenies, people were still putting up numbers they would not have if they were clean. I'm not interested in trying to decide which numbers are acceptable and which aren't. 73 and 762 are the MLB home run records.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

Is it cheating to be on Ritalin?

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In some cases, yes.

You mean the players that found a doctor to sign off on saying they need it when they probably don't truly have a need. Yeah, I'd call that cheating.

[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Greenies help improve performance. You are the one trying to start a debate over which performance enhancing drugs are better. Not me. I responded to a comment about greenies not turning F8s in HRs (they can) and your comment about steroids improving reaction times (greenies do that too).



Even if everyone was taking greenies, people were still putting up numbers they would not have if they were clean. I'm not interested in trying to decide which numbers are acceptable and which aren't. 73 and 762 are the MLB home run records.

I get it. You dont know pharmacology, and you only want to make statements and not answer any questions. How many do you think Judge would hit this year if he were on that regiment?

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[JRX]

So is it pretty much a given that Trout, Freeman, Mookie, Altuve, Goldy, Lindor, Machado, Harper, Arenado, Jose Ramirez, and Judge are all locks?

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

I get it. You dont know pharmacology, and you only want to make statements and not answer any questions. How many do you think Judge would hit this year if he were on that regiment?

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Because I don't care about your questions that have nothing to do with what I said. And I'm not interested in your game of "which cheating is acceptable and which isn't."

You want to say greenies are fine because everyone was taking them. That makes every stat a tainted stat.

You want answers. Yes, a person taking two PEPs is likely to perform better than a person only taking one. Yes, a person taking Ritalin thanks to a shady doctor signing off for him is cheating.

All I said is that greenies improve reaction time, just like you said steroids do. How you decided that meant I was saying HGH and Ritalin were the exact same is beyond me.

The most recent numbers I could quickly find are from 2019. 93 players had exemptions to use ADHD medications. And the article said it usually ranged from 100-120. So yes, anyone not on the exemption is cheating.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

You're completely missing the point, and you will find nowhere in which I say they don't help. The difference is the rampant usage and availability. Bonds even took amphetamine usage to a new level which you obviously didn't know.

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So if steroids were widely used and easily available, you would accept players who took them?

Boy, do I have some news for you!

[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

So if steroids were widely used and easily available, you would accept players who took them?

Boy, do I have some news for you!

I have worse news for you. What Bonds was using is not readily available. He had a huge operation working for him. He had much better steroids and amphetamines. And even after all of that he could barely put up better stats than Aaron judge who gets tested consistently.

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[tyrith]

Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

I have worse news for you. What Bonds was using is not readily available. He had a huge operation working for him. He had much better steroids and amphetamines. And even after all of that he could barely put up better stats than Aaron judge who gets tested consistently.

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Barry Bonds had a 147 game season where he had a .609 OBP and a four season stretch where his OPS was collectively something like 1.370. Judge is awesome, but the gap in the on field stats is not a small one.

[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by whitmm

You want answers. Yes, a person taking two PEPs is likely to perform better than a person only taking one.

Thank you!

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[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by tyrith

Barry Bonds had a 147 game season where he had a .609 OBP and a four season stretch where his OPS was collectively something like 1.370. Judge is awesome, but the gap in the on field stats is not a small one.

What if Judge was 30% better than he is today? Would he get walked more and would there be a threshold where by his power numbers, say hitting 70-80 HRs lead to him being walked more and then having a 600 obp? From a managerial standpoint, your decision to walk someone (or barely pitch to them) probably factors in expected slugging most into the equation, no?

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