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[CorndogWasp]

https://x.com/darrenrovell/status/1945646495606169996

"BREAKING: Police in Westfield, Indiana confirm to cllct that they found a dead body during a sports memorabilia raid today. "

This probably deserves its own thread. That original facebook post implied 100,000 Tom Brady counterfeits didnt it?

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by CorndogWasp

https://x.com/darrenrovell/status/1945646495606169996

"BREAKING: Police in Westfield, Indiana confirm to cllct that they found a dead body during a sports memorabilia raid today. "

This probably deserves its own thread. That original facebook post implied 100,000 Tom Brady counterfeits didnt it?

that is how i read it. sounds like they had JSA/fanatics/tristar holograms made in china and went wild with the fake autos.

i imagine this will rock the industry, at least for a while.

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

In a really weird way i am almost reticent to finish now that i am so close. It has been such a long journey i sort of hate for it to end.

I may just hold off for a bit and really savor the last card!

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Makes perfect sense! Having a goal that has taken a while, then feeling a certain way near the end. Or like a season ending for the first time and you don’t want it to/unsure what to watch next lol.

Possible idea that would be a new project... Upgrade some? The hunt would continue! I’m not saying PSA 10’s but as an example sell a 7 and get an 8

[cypher]

People will ignore this because it could effect the 10X crowd. 10x all your cards! Is it gradable?

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by CorndogWasp

https://x.com/darrenrovell/status/1945646495606169996

"BREAKING: Police in Westfield, Indiana confirm to cllct that they found a dead body during a sports memorabilia raid today. "

This probably deserves its own thread. That original facebook post implied 100,000 Tom Brady counterfeits didnt it?

Originally Posted by daveyc1

that is how i read it. sounds like they had JSA/fanatics/tristar holograms made in china and went wild with the fake autos.

i imagine this will rock the industry, at least for a while.

Well on the 'positive' side I think this is far more memorabilia than cards. Still sucks and reminds me of the last big sting, always happens with autos. Ironic foreshadowing with our last discussion between everyone here.

And to 6GOAT's point about that Skybox Impact auto that looked clearly fake and dreadful that was up for 900+ at the time on eBay. Yes, that one looked fake. Don't need to be an "expert" to see that, anyone critical or with lukewarm IQ would question that one.

Not to make this about me, but I also think that proved what I was saying 'right' as well. Take it or leave it, like or it or dislike it, the auto I posted with the whole "TB12Collection" stuff which goes through PSA the company --- makes it far, far, more likely to be real. And with this news, yes I feel great about my after market, SpX Proof auto from that marketing thing or actual collection or whatever it is. I'm confident it is real, 95-99%. And to reiterate what we said a week ago, there is no 100%.

P.S. They are absolutely trying to pump the Bowman Refractor. Almost guaranteed. Why? Well there's been two videos or more by Complex/Fanatics where celebrities are buying that card or just happen to own it. They just did a Dana White video (PSA Bowman Chrome refractor) after the Mark Wahlberg video a week prior. Seems concerted to me, doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure that one out.

[Tea10]

https://youtu.be/e02VnkphALw?t=143

There is the Dana White (CEO/President of UFC) video. He does have a cool collection and all, but to be that specific on a Bowman Chrome Refractor when it's the same interviewer from the same company/s (Complex, Fanatics)...

I'm just the type of person to analyze things and be critical. I think this is pretty obvious on the back of Wahlberg "randomly" buying the Refractor at Fanatics fest in a video with the same host/interviewer from Complex x Fanatics. And it makes sense logically right? Champ Ticket/Rookie Ticket had it's time, it was hyped up in 2020-2023, people need something new. And I genuinely think the Refractor was undervalued and rare + being a variation of his most iconic card really which normally is actually pretty high pop. Relatively. But here's the new thing to pump and Fanatics is trying to pump it seemingly.

I wouldn't doubt it if Brady signs a 5 of these and they make a big event out of it and give 1 away, etc. He quite literally offered that to Wahlberg in the other video posted here from Fanatics Fest. He'll do the TB12 Collection inscription stuff on a few refractors, my prediction.

[daveyc1]

Autos have always concerned me. Except for the ones i got in person. This is not the first, nor the last fake auto sting. Greg marino, the pre-war t206 auto scandal and now this.

What concerns me about this one is the counterfeiting of fanatics and tri star authentication holograms. I can see this bringing down prices of autos previously thought iron clad.

Moral of the story, if you didnt see the athlete sign it, you dont know for sure.

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[daveyc1]

I wonder who is behind pumping the BC Refractor? You could absolutely be right. It sure seems to be selling for same or more prices as similar graded rookie tickets.

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[daveyc1]

I know it isnt me, mine is not for sale!!

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[TeeBee12]

Originally Posted by CorndogWasp

https://x.com/darrenrovell/status/1945646495606169996

"BREAKING: Police in Westfield, Indiana confirm to cllct that they found a dead body during a sports memorabilia raid today. "

This probably deserves its own thread. That original facebook post implied 100,000 Tom Brady counterfeits didnt it?

Considering the convos here on ALL autos just a few days earlier, Alanis Morrissette might just call this ironic. Don’t you think?


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[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by TeeBee12

Considering the convos here on ALL autos just a few days earlier, Alanis Morrissette might just call this ironic. Don’t you think?


“It’s the good advice, you just didn’t take”

That’s memorabilia and in person signed autos


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[TeeBee12]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

That’s memorabilia and in person signed autos


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I understand. The conversation of any auto still applies with what we were trying to convey.

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

That’s memorabilia and in person signed autos


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I believe the implication is that panini and fanatics autos are included, not just signed memorabilia. He said the vast majority of mahomes and judge autographed cards are fakes.

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[Tea10]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

That’s memorabilia and in person signed autos


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Right but somebody just posted the entire stack of stickers and unsigned cards thrown in the dumpster by Jackson Merrill.

Panini (over 10-14 years of main licensed cards) simply just sends the stickers and/or cards to the player in the mail. They say to PLEASE sign these and send them back. It's honestly archaic and comical how little oversight or authentication or guarantee there really is. Anyone could sign those and send them back.

And I've seen "experts" authenticate autos after-market or memo or cards or slips of paper --- and they often say "ohh yes, that was an early year Ruth, and he signed differently then, and differently later in life". Without even talking about how an autopen could easily fool any human expert or even AI program (pack issued or aftermarket). Right...we talked about this last week then it happened ironically. Just saying, pack-issued is not "safe" either because their cousin could sign all 489 stickers and cards and Jackson Merill or Ohtani or Billy Nobody could toss them 200-500 bucks for the favor.

Edit in the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/baseballcar...are&utm_term=1

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

I believe the implication is that panini and fanatics autos are included, not just signed memorabilia. He said the vast majority of mahomes and judge autographed cards are fakes.

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The only way they would be is if they were stickers. I believe when cards are mentioned it’s in person autos on cards that don’t originally have an auto.


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[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by Tea10

Right but somebody just posted the entire stack of stickers and unsigned cards thrown in the dumpster by Jackson Merrill.

Panini (over 10-14 years of main licensed cards) simply just sends the stickers and/or cards to the player in the mail. They say to PLEASE sign these and send them back. It's honestly archaic and comical how little oversight or authentication or guarantee there really is. Anyone could sign those and send them back.

And I've seen "experts" authenticate autos after-market or memo or cards or slips of paper --- and they often say "ohh yes, that was an early year Ruth, and he signed differently then, and differently later in life". Without even talking about how an autopen could easily fool any human expert or even AI program (pack issued or aftermarket). Right...we talked about this last week then it happened ironically. Just saying, pack-issued is not "safe" either because their cousin could sign all 489 stickers and cards and Jackson Merill or Ohtani or Billy Nobody could toss them 200-500 bucks for the favor.

Edit in the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/baseballcar...are&utm_term=1

I saw that. The resolution was that everything was given back to panini. I also understand that not every incident ends that way with something positive. But if you don’t that the company then the best move is to not buy any pack pulled suits and just go to athlete signings and get them your self.

Me personally I don’t buy sticker autos and only get on card. I also understand that I am putting my faith in the company (panini/topps/fleer & psa/bgs) that the on card rookie autos are legit. But I also don’t buy for monetary reasons. I buy them because I like the player and it’s part of my collection


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[Tea10]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

The only way they would be is if they were stickers. I believe when cards are mentioned it’s in person autos on cards that don’t originally have an auto.


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Edit: Sorry, misread your post.

I do think the authenticity of on-card "issued" autos is just as suspect as stickers though, a notch better because it cannot be removed.

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

I saw that. The resolution was that everything was given back to panini. I also understand that not every incident ends that way with something positive. But if you don’t that the company then the best move is to not buy any pack pulled suits and just go to athlete signings and get them your self.

Me personally I don’t buy sticker autos and only get on card. I also understand that I am putting my faith in the company (panini/topps/fleer & psa/bgs) that the on card rookie autos are legit. But I also don’t buy for monetary reasons. I buy them because I like the player and it’s part of my collection


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I don't hate Panini. I'm just saying that obviously an on-card auto could be fake in the exact same way that a sticker could be. It's the same process 1:1, they're shipping out the cards.

But maybe you're right and some are done with a witness or in-person like a National Treasures or Flawless. I'm not sure of that. But what we do know is this was Immaculate baseball and they mailed these cards to be signed, so I doubt it.

And if it's PC or a collection, that's fair. I'm not trying to harp on this subject, just saying based on the evidence we see --- there is no difference between on card and sticker autos in regards to authenticity. Of course, other than pulling off stickers and goofy stuff like that, you'd be right. But on-card could be signed by Trout's wife 300 times a year, we don't know.

[6GOAT789]

The bowman chrome refractor getting pumped, why such a rare card that a very small percentage of people even have? Didn’t the eBay one sell for like $22,000? The other ones recently not much more? Compared to something suspicious like $50,000. Just over $20k seems about right? For the card being what it is.

True about the autos being signed in person, you know it’s real. But getting an in person auto for most people is extremely rare, so they have to get it online. As far as Brady, Jordan, Lebron etc. Even if the auto online came with a picture of him signing it, there’s still no proof that it’s the exact same item. Someone can just buy a duplicate card, take their time and do their best forgery so it may look like/match up with the picture. As far as sending it to PSA as more “proof”.

Just an observation though, on basically any after market auto online.. Never one time have I seen a picture of the athlete signing it. Would be cool to even have a video, then you can see it close up and see how it matches 100% with the card. Even ones that are “Beckett witnessed”, if they’re supposedly right there, where’s the pic/video?

Same for pack issued, why not film the player and also have them serial number (by hand) the card?

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

In a really weird way i am almost reticent to finish now that i am so close. It has been such a long journey i sort of hate for it to end.

I may just hold off for a bit and really savor the last card!

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Originally Posted by Tea10

Well on the 'positive' side I think this is far more memorabilia than cards. Still sucks and reminds me of the last big sting, always happens with autos. Ironic foreshadowing with our last discussion between everyone here.

And to 6GOAT's point about that Skybox Impact auto that looked clearly fake and dreadful that was up for 900+ at the time on eBay. Yes, that one looked fake. Don't need to be an "expert" to see that, anyone critical or with lukewarm IQ would question that one.

Not to make this about me, but I also think that proved what I was saying 'right' as well. Take it or leave it, like or it or dislike it, the auto I posted with the whole "TB12Collection" stuff which goes through PSA the company --- makes it far, far, more likely to be real. And with this news, yes I feel great about my after market, SpX Proof auto from that marketing thing or actual collection or whatever it is. I'm confident it is real, 95-99%. And to reiterate what we said a week ago, there is no 100%.

P.S. They are absolutely trying to pump the Bowman Refractor. Almost guaranteed. Why? Well there's been two videos or more by Complex/Fanatics where celebrities are buying that card or just happen to own it. They just did a Dana White video (PSA Bowman Chrome refractor) after the Mark Wahlberg video a week prior. Seems concerted to me, doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure that one out.

It looked fake, but being certified by PSA was the problem. That supposedly made it real. If uncertified, how much do you think it would have sold for?

Goes back to the whole we never know 100%

[6GOAT789]

Score PSA 10 on eBay tonight sold for just over $4,200, assuming it was a legit sale.

Thoughts? I would have guessed it would have gone for less

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Score PSA 10 on eBay tonight sold for just over $4,200, assuming it was a legit sale.

Thoughts? I would have guessed it would have gone for less

to me, that seems a very high price. But, I am not all that enthused about very common cards in very high grade as grades are so subjective. Personally, I would prefer a PSA 9 that looks nearly as good (and on a different day, with a different grader could be a PSA 10) and use the remaining funds to acquire a true rarity or a more iconic rookie card.

again, that is just me.

if the psa 10 score rookie makes the purchaser happy, then I am all for it.

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

to me, that seems a very high price. But, I am not all that enthused about very common cards in very high grade as grades are so subjective. Personally, I would prefer a PSA 9 that looks nearly as good (and on a different day, with a different grader could be a PSA 10) and use the remaining funds to acquire a true rarity or a more iconic rookie card.

again, that is just me.

if the psa 10 score rookie makes the purchaser happy, then I am all for it.

Maybe I misunderstood earlier, but did you say common cards can go for hundreds of thousands? As far as completing sets goes

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Maybe I misunderstood earlier, but did you say common cards can go for hundreds of thousands? As far as completing sets goes

Correct. For many people attempting Registry sets, low pop commons are definitely worth hundreds or thousands. Check out the johnny moore 1986 fleer basketball in psa 10. It will knock your socks off.

There are old threads over at collectors universe with guys paying big prices for high grade 78 topps commons

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

Correct. For many people attempting Registry sets, low pop commons are definitely worth hundreds or thousands. Check out the johnny moore 1986 fleer basketball in psa 10. It will knock your socks off.

There are old threads over at collectors universe with guys paying big prices for high grade 78 topps commons

$15k for a PSA 10/ $151 for a PSA 9, definitely insane!

This might be a dumb question, but if they’ve always been common, does that basically mean only the PSA 10’s are a ton of $? Like that example compared to a 9

Can’t really imagine commons in PSA 7s and 8s selling for a ton? 9’s not even a huge sum by themselves, but especially compared to a 10