Official Tom Brady RC Price Tracker

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Just like physical gold, people like shiny things lol

Like the gold subreddit, just people drooling over how they look, whatever coin or bar

I think that's exactly right. Rare and shiny = value, for better or worse that is simply the answer.

Originally Posted by TeeBee12

Don’t forget the registry aspect. Don’t remember exactly but for a card to be included in any of the numerous sets (player set, team set, year set, etc) a card has to be numbered to /10 or higher. (I think, been a while). And cards of /10 usually carry the most “weight” for said sets. So you have a whole host of folks, not just Brady collectors, aiming for this card to plug their hole and catapult WAY up the ranks. And there’s only 10. And of those 10, there’s only 1 other out there that matches its weight. And that guy ain’t coming off it. So….

Yes I understand not that many folks are trying to do the whole set/team/hof run in gold. But there is a nut or two out there. And that’s all it takes in these cases. Theory still applies moving fwd for key Brady cards. Folks just aren’t going up against other Brady collectors.

That is a fair point, to debate it --- far less people are collecting sets for modern cards (Prizm Football 2013 or Brady specifically). We're talking about a master set of every Brady card in existence at that point? Or just Prizm? I've seen a guy like "Powerwh33ls" have a rainbow of superfractor Bradys and 1/1 black finite Finest or Prizm or Stained glass specifically, but yeah right..he's one of the few nuts for example.

To TJforce's point that I've seen floated somehwere --- It's because Prizm is the marquee Panini set and card to own.

Originally Posted by daveyc1

another issue I have with the gold prizms are, what is special about a 2013 gold prizm? it was not a special year for brady. I believe they have also made gold brady prizms in 2012, 14, 15, 16 etc... I guess that is where they loose some of their ¨shine¨ for me. the same way kabooms and downtowns dont have a lot of shine for me. they make them every year. nothing special. at least to me.

that is a big part of what makes rookie cards special to me. they only ever produced them for one year. thats it.

I totally agree and that was why I responded and have made some responses about the gold Kaboom Brady that is at 80k currently with 3 hours to go. There's a Mahomes RPA NT at 240k and somehow a Caitlin Clark fake patch RC auto at 220k (lol). But even with Brady being the GOAT of the sport and all that, 80k or 100k? for a 2018 Gold Kaboom is just bonkers bubble level.

And a 2013 Gold Prizm is similar.

Right, it's not some special year. It's only special in that it is early Panini Prizm and it is "gold". And obviously /10, artifically scarce because there were probably 500-1000 silvers printed and 11 other variations of the base. I agree, I personally see the rookie card as king. But I see other years as having value, 2013 was a year where the Patriots came off an AFFCG loss going into another AFCCG loss. It was his 13th-14th season, not a SB year, nothing special about it. Again, the only thing is it's early Prizm and it's gold.

So time will tell us, does that matter in 2035 or 2050? Will cards overall even matter much? I know I've lurked here long enough to see some guys like TJforce make good predictions on what is valuable and what won't be. And similar to you Davey, I don't care that, that much about the appreciation as long it does exist with Brady. But the safest play within an already safe player/asset has to be the iconic rookie cards, and personally I see the 2001s as being relatively very rare as a tangent. How many other players who are HoF or GOAT level in modern day (90s and later) have only TWO cards in a given year, and that year being their 2nd year after virtually not playing at all (a baseball rookie arguably). I don't own a 2001 either. I fail to see how it is remotely possible for a 2018 kaboom or a 2013 gold prizm to be 10x or 100x a National treasures 2001 Playoff for example.

[jasonm2121]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

As a serious question, why doesn’t every auction house have the BP?

People act like that’s some crazy question

Not sure what you mean, Heritage, Goldin, Fanatics, Leland's, REA all do.

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by jasonm2121

Not sure what you mean, Heritage, Goldin, Fanatics, Leland's, REA all do.

eBay.

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Do you think that MJ and Kobe PMG Greens would be going for way less than they would today?

I think that is conflating two things.

PMGs have a ton of value as a set, as a card, because of rarity and demand. (pumped or genuinely became in demand/cool)

Michael Jordan is the GOAT of the sport undeniably (like Brady). He has demand beyond PMGs themselves. I just checked Fanatics Premiere and there is a Kobe PMG going for 110k, a Mutombo for 12k, and a Mark Jackson for 3.5k, all with 3 hours+ to go. A Grant Hill went for 15k or best on eBay recently.

How much are Grant Hill, Mutombo, and Mark Jackson (sans Menedez Twins) cards going for generally or on average?

If LeBron had 7+ rings then all of his cards would have significantly more value and all of Jordan's cards would have somewhat to significantly less value, I 100% believe that. The GOAT of a sport has way more demand and value. There is a reason why that sh---y Caitlin Clark patch auto is going for 220k, and Messi/Ronaldo have a huge premium, and Brady was topping the football charts, and then Mahomes was.

Because either those people are the GOAT, can stake a claim to be the GOAT, or have the real potential (prospecting, gambling) to be the GOAT. If Mahomes catches an injury bug and ends his career with great stats and only 3 rings (current) or maybe gets a 4th and ties Montana --- his cards will inevitably plummet in value endgame imo. Not to say they'd go to zero. And of course certain sets/cards will still be worth a lot, but relatively everything would fall off a cliff. Do you agree with that outcome or think differently?

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Tea10

I think that is conflating two things.

PMGs have a ton of value as a set, as a card, because of rarity and demand. (pumped or genuinely became in demand/cool)

Michael Jordan is the GOAT of the sport undeniably (like Brady). He has demand beyond PMGs themselves. I just checked Fanatics Premiere and there is a Kobe PMG going for 110k, a Mutombo for 12k, and a Mark Jackson for 3.5k, all with 3 hours+ to go. A Grant Hill went for 15k or best on eBay recently.

How much are Grant Hill, Mutombo, and Mark Jackson (sans Menedez Twins) cards going for generally or on average?

If LeBron had 7+ rings then all of his cards would have significantly more value and all of Jordan's cards would have somewhat to significantly less value, I 100% believe that. The GOAT of a sport has way more demand and value. There is a reason why that sh---y Caitlin Clark patch auto is going for 220k, and Messi/Ronaldo have a huge premium, and Brady was topping the football charts, and then Mahomes was.

Because either those people are the GOAT, can stake a claim to be the GOAT, or have the real potential (prospecting, gambling) to be the GOAT. If Mahomes catches an injury bug and ends his career with great stats and only 3 rings (current) or maybe gets a 4th and ties Montana --- his cards will inevitably plummet in value endgame imo. Not to say they'd go to zero. And of course certain sets/cards will still be worth a lot, but relatively everything would fall off a cliff. Do you agree with that outcome or think differently?

When it’s all said and done I think
Mahomes is number 2. Hell there’s argument for that if he retired today. Safe to say his value is safe since even if he has no other rings he will have a ton of yards, TDs, wins. And three rings is no joke either. P Manning has two, carried by the defense to one of those lol

His value would hardly fall off a cliff.
At this point in his career, no one has done what he’s done, I don’t think he’ll get 7 rings, but if he gets 5 over the next 5 years then I think he just might.

I mean as long as he is playing, can’t really see another team winning the divsion? Just like Brady all those years. Then post season at KC is a nightmare for any team

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Do you think that MJ and Kobe PMG Greens would be going for way less than they would today?

And I don’t have any interest in a Mahomes vs Brady debate. So I just want to clarify I wasn’t going for that to everyone. Some people also do claim LeBron as GOAT as well. I just think there is a clear cut emphasis on levels of greatness, GOAT obviously being the pinnacle.

[jasonm2121]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

eBay.

eBay is not a large auction house. High end art, collectibles, jewelry, artifacts etc go through auction houses for many reasons. I am a little shocked this is seen as odd to anyone, especially seeing what higher end cards have done the over time. 99.9% higher end items go through the larger auction houses. Even Sotheby's has been involved in cards and memorabilia.

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auct...Filter=AllLots

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Tea10

I think that's exactly right. Rare and shiny = value, for better or worse that is simply the answer.



That is a fair point, to debate it --- far less people are collecting sets for modern cards (Prizm Football 2013 or Brady specifically). We're talking about a master set of every Brady card in existence at that point? Or just Prizm? I've seen a guy like "Powerwh33ls" have a rainbow of superfractor Bradys and 1/1 black finite Finest or Prizm or Stained glass specifically, but yeah right..he's one of the few nuts for example.

To TJforce's point that I've seen floated somehwere --- It's because Prizm is the marquee Panini set and card to own.



I totally agree and that was why I responded and have made some responses about the gold Kaboom Brady that is at 80k currently with 3 hours to go. There's a Mahomes RPA NT at 240k and somehow a Caitlin Clark fake patch RC auto at 220k (lol). But even with Brady being the GOAT of the sport and all that, 80k or 100k? for a 2018 Gold Kaboom is just bonkers bubble level.

And a 2013 Gold Prizm is similar.

Right, it's not some special year. It's only special in that it is early Panini Prizm and it is "gold". And obviously /10, artifically scarce because there were probably 500-1000 silvers printed and 11 other variations of the base. I agree, I personally see the rookie card as king. But I see other years as having value, 2013 was a year where the Patriots came off an AFFCG loss going into another AFCCG loss. It was his 13th-14th season, not a SB year, nothing special about it. Again, the only thing is it's early Prizm and it's gold.

So time will tell us, does that matter in 2035 or 2050? Will cards overall even matter much? I know I've lurked here long enough to see some guys like TJforce make good predictions on what is valuable and what won't be. And similar to you Davey, I don't care that, that much about the appreciation as long it does exist with Brady. But the safest play within an already safe player/asset has to be the iconic rookie cards, and personally I see the 2001s as being relatively very rare as a tangent. How many other players who are HoF or GOAT level in modern day (90s and later) have only TWO cards in a given year, and that year being their 2nd year after virtually not playing at all (a baseball rookie arguably). I don't own a 2001 either. I fail to see how it is remotely possible for a 2018 kaboom or a 2013 gold prizm to be 10x or 100x a National treasures 2001 Playoff for example.

Three 2001. Everyone always forgets about the 2001 Pacific Prism Atomic Game Worn Jersey cards. Incredibly rare and his first patch.

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Three 2001. Everyone always forgets about the 2001 Pacific Prism Atomic Game Worn Jersey cards. Incredibly rare and his first patch.

Doesn’t he have some pacific cards from 2002, with a piece of game worn jersey from 2000?

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by jasonm2121

eBay is not a large auction house. High end art, collectibles, jewelry, artifacts etc go through auction houses for many reasons. I am a little shocked this is seen as odd to anyone, especially seeing what higher end cards have done the over time. 99.9% higher end items go through the larger auction houses. Even Sotheby's has been involved in cards and memorabilia.

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auct...Filter=AllLots

eBay is definitely a large auction house lol

Davey just said recently a Contenders was sold there, so no buyers premium. There’s always big Brady cards on there. SP Authentic sells a lot there too

Then also recently a refractor sold there too

Along with all the tons of cards that are a few thousand

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Tea10

I think that is conflating two things.

PMGs have a ton of value as a set, as a card, because of rarity and demand. (pumped or genuinely became in demand/cool)

Michael Jordan is the GOAT of the sport undeniably (like Brady). He has demand beyond PMGs themselves. I just checked Fanatics Premiere and there is a Kobe PMG going for 110k, a Mutombo for 12k, and a Mark Jackson for 3.5k, all with 3 hours+ to go. A Grant Hill went for 15k or best on eBay recently.

How much are Grant Hill, Mutombo, and Mark Jackson (sans Menedez Twins) cards going for generally or on average?

If LeBron had 7+ rings then all of his cards would have significantly more value and all of Jordan's cards would have somewhat to significantly less value, I 100% believe that. The GOAT of a sport has way more demand and value. There is a reason why that sh---y Caitlin Clark patch auto is going for 220k, and Messi/Ronaldo have a huge premium, and Brady was topping the football charts, and then Mahomes was.

Because either those people are the GOAT, can stake a claim to be the GOAT, or have the real potential (prospecting, gambling) to be the GOAT. If Mahomes catches an injury bug and ends his career with great stats and only 3 rings (current) or maybe gets a 4th and ties Montana --- his cards will inevitably plummet in value endgame imo. Not to say they'd go to zero. And of course certain sets/cards will still be worth a lot, but relatively everything would fall off a cliff. Do you agree with that outcome or think differently?

So really 2 things to address here:

1. PMGs are to the 90s what Prizm Golds are to the 2010 and 20s+. Look around boys... this is the chase of this era of cards.

2. As for Mahomes: He's already established himself as a Mt Rushmore QB, so for that to go sideways, he'd either just need to be middling for the next 10 years, or have a serious injury that ends things quickly. If it were the latter, it wouldn't be *as* bad for prices, because he'd have his 3 SB MVPs to go along with the *what is* story. That being said, there is downside there, but not enough to take him outside of the top 4 or 5 hobby QBs of all time.

Bonus Theory: Part of the reason PMGs and Credentials and MJs do so well in the card market is because that was the Golden age of NBA. We are currently living in the Golden Age of the NFL. Besides the Moon Landing, 19 of the 20 most watched broadcasts in the US have been Super Bowls taking place since 2008. In Mahomes case in particular, the 3 biggest broadcasts in history have starred him as the biggest storyline (with Taylor Swift mixed in as well). More people have seen Mahomes and Brady wins Super Bowls than any other pro athletes in the U.S. Heck, more people tuned into watch Cooper Rush play Drew Lock last year on Thanksgiving than watched the first 4 games of the NBA Finals combined. This bodes well for both of these guys, as the Panini era is the only era where the playing days of these two guys overlap.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Doesn’t he have some pacific cards from 2002, with a piece of game worn jersey from 2000?

Yeah i have a jersey card from that year that states the jersey is from his rookie year

[Tonic3]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

eBay.

Hahahaha, so you still don’t get it even after I explained it to you in very plain english, with an example even. Wow

You’re so hung up on the term “buyers premium” that you can’t seem to understand that eBay’s fees they charge serve the same purpose. Jeez, it’s really not that complicated.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by tjforce

So really 2 things to address here:

1. PMGs are to the 90s what Prizm Golds are to the 2010 and 20s+. Look around boys... this is the chase of this era of cards.

2. As for Mahomes: He's already established himself as a Mt Rushmore QB, so for that to go sideways, he'd either just need to be middling for the next 10 years, or have a serious injury that ends things quickly. If it were the latter, it wouldn't be *as* bad for prices, because he'd have his 3 SB MVPs to go along with the *what is* story. That being said, there is downside there, but not enough to take him outside of the top 4 or 5 hobby QBs of all time.

Bonus Theory: Part of the reason PMGs and Credentials and MJs do so well in the card market is because that was the Golden age of NBA. We are currently living in the Golden Age of the NFL. Besides the Moon Landing, 19 of the 20 most watched broadcasts in the US have been Super Bowls taking place since 2008. In Mahomes case in particular, the 3 biggest broadcasts in history have starred him as the biggest storyline (with Taylor Swift mixed in as well). More people have seen Mahomes and Brady wins Super Bowls than any other pro athletes in the U.S. Heck, more people tuned into watch Cooper Rush play Drew Lock last year on Thanksgiving than watched the first 4 games of the NBA Finals combined. This bodes well for both of these guys, as the Panini era is the only era where the playing days of these two guys overlap.

Are there any pack-pulled dual Brady/Mahomes in existence?

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Are there any pack-pulled dual Brady/Mahomes in existence?

Around covid time I remember seeing it on YouTube. I think it’s flawless and autographed

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Tonic3

Hahahaha, so you still don’t get it even after I explained it to you in very plain english, with an example even. Wow

You’re so hung up on the term “buyers premium” that you can’t seem to understand that eBay’s fees they charge serve the same purpose. Jeez, it’s really not that complicated.

You might be the most clueless person here. Does eBay have buyers premium? The answer is no

What they charge, so you’re talking about selling? That’s called an auction fee. The buyer doesn’t pay that. The seller does

Not even sure what you’re so confused about


Whatever your “example” was, how could it be an example of buyers premium if there is no buyers premium?


Who would you rather buy from if eBay has a refractor or contenders for
Sale? Them, or an auction house with a buyers premium?

[jasonm2121]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

eBay is definitely a large auction house lol

Davey just said recently a Contenders was sold there, so no buyers premium. There’s always big Brady cards on there. SP Authentic sells a lot there too

Then also recently a refractor sold there too

Along with all the tons of cards that are a few thousand

I think we have a different meaning for large items, it happens.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

the 2 examples i listed were both the same grade (BGS 8.5) and sold within a week of each other. the refractor was $4k more than the rookie ticket

I meant to say fewer refractors than contenders, my brain got warped reading how someone cannot comprehend the buyer premium in auction houses.

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by jasonm2121

I think we have a different meaning for large items, it happens.

Large item, or large auction house? I thought you said it wasn’t a large auction house.

I mean they may not have $100k+ items but still plenty that are far too expensive for most.

[Tonic3]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

You might be the most clueless person here. Does eBay have buyers premium? The answer is no

What they charge, so you’re talking about selling? That’s called an auction fee. The buyer doesn’t pay that. The seller does

Not even sure what you’re so confused about


Whatever your “example” was, how could it be an example of buyers premium if there is no buyers premium?


Who would you rather buy from if eBay has a refractor or contenders for
Sale? Them, or an auction house with a buyers premium?

So you didn’t read my explanation before, got it. That fits with your MO and why you think I’M the clueless one.
To answer your oversimplified question….I’d buy from any site, but I’m smart enough that I can do math and factor in different structures/fees into my final bid amount to compensate. Which is what everyone does. But I explained it before, you didn’t get it, and I’m sure you won’t now.

[Onepocketj]

[6GOAT789]

If someone really wanted to settle the debate once and for all they’d compare recent sales from eBay and auction sites with the buyers premium. Same card and same relative date range, same grade. Then all that’s left to do is look at the total price paid by the buyer

I already know the answer, just seeing if any of you want to look up as much as you can

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Three 2001. Everyone always forgets about the 2001 Pacific Prism Atomic Game Worn Jersey cards. Incredibly rare and his first patch.

Wouldn’t the pacific 2002 cards with a game worn patch from 2000 be his first patch? Since it’s from the year 2000 and not 2001? Patch anyway, not the card

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Wouldn’t the pacific 2002 cards with a game worn patch from 2000 be his first patch? Since it’s from the year 2000 and not 2001? Patch anyway, not the card

I have one of those 2002 pacific jersey cards. the back does indicate the jersey was from the rookie season, even though it is a 3rd year card.

[TeeBee12]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

He knows what he’s doing. eBay does not have a buyers premium. Let him win that extremely obvious point. Which isn’t a point at all really. More like simple common knowledge akin to breathing.

Now to the meat and potatoes. He most certainly became aware of the term “buyers premium”. What that term means, the percentages of that buyers premium & how it’s applied. He also just learned that most, if not all major auction houses, have this buyers premium. Many of whom have been around for decades before eBay even existed. He also wasn’t aware of the registry along with a host of other common terminologies in the hobby just discussed in the previous few pages.

If I had to predict his age, I’d say 18-23. Not quite a child, but close.

Someone else nailed it by saying every time they pop in that they feel it’s a bunch of adults explaining stuff to a child. 100% spot on.

Wish I knew for sure to assess the patience level.