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hairyangryfella · 01-23-2021, 10:31 PM

Huerter would be great on this team, if they can somehow acquire him.

brothertona · 01-23-2021, 10:31 PM

In my mind trade deadline you go get Kyle Lowry, and I do wonder if you could potentially trade Ingram to the Bulls? Lavine and Markannen for Ingram and a 1st rounder? Potentially Bradley Beal? Trade Ingram plus a couple of 1st rounders for Beal? Maybe you convince the Raptors to trade Pascal for Ingram?

brothertona · 01-23-2021, 10:36 PM

I think the Hawks would trade Huerter for a 1st rounder. I know they'd move him for Kira Lewis Jr but I assume you'd be looking at Josh Hart and a 1st rounder.

blackandgold · 01-23-2021, 10:50 PM

You guys are delusional if you think the Pels are going to move Ingram......Thats all

ninjacookies · 01-23-2021, 11:03 PM

Lowry would be an amazing fit, but only at the right price since he'll be 35 next year.

I really like Huerter's mold as an unselfish, capable 2 way sg. The only problem there, is that I do think NAW has eventual starting potential so you'd essentially be saying you're giving up on developing him.

Ingram definitely isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Seems Ronald also needs to dust off his grandson's ps5 and log some 2k21 time. Because he's completely forgotten how to call effective plays at the pro level.

dunkindutchmen · 01-23-2021, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

In my mind trade deadline you go get Kyle Lowry, and I do wonder if you could potentially trade Ingram to the Bulls? Lavine and Markannen for Ingram and a 1st rounder? Potentially Bradley Beal? Trade Ingram plus a couple of 1st rounders for Beal? Maybe you convince the Raptors to trade Pascal for Ingram?

The Raptors would have to convince the Pelicans because Ingram is the decisively better player. He's essentially a poor man's Kevin Durant, which is pretty damn good. His fatal flaw is he dribbles a bit too much and forces action in general. Part of that may be their clunky offense.

One of the biggest problems with the Pelicans is their pace. Lonzo and Zion are thoroughbreds meant to get out and run, but SVG insists on a walk-it-up pace, one of the slowest in the NBA.

And when you get in the half-court, Lonzo is very limited in his ability to score, get to the FT line, put any pressure on a defense. Bledsoe, when he doesn't have the ball, is standing, never moving off-ball. He kills spacing and makes it easy for defenses to help on the ball. When he has the ball, he's got a horrendous assist-to-turnover ratio and displays consistently poor decision making. Him and Zo always collectively look like they were forced to play on any given night.

Adams, Zion, NAW, Ingram are all really good pieces. Oh yeah, and Jaxson Hayes is terrible. Nice pick there, David Griffin. Yikes.

ninjacookies · 01-23-2021, 11:25 PM

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Jaxson Hayes is terrible. Nice pick there, David Griffin. Yikes.

JH is the poor man's Brittney Griner.

How he continues to get muscled by fetuses in the paint is beyond me. The strength of 0.003 Thon Makers.

dunkindutchmen · 01-23-2021, 11:26 PM

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JH is the poor man's Brittney Griner.

That's a good one. I might steal it.

brothertona · 01-23-2021, 11:28 PM

I said that as well a few days ago, they are one of the 4 slowest teams in the league. They also have no spacing which for a team with Zion is a nightmare. No shooting whatsoever, lots of hero ball, and brutal PG play. Bledsoe is terrible, I understand the idea of getting veterans to teach young players how to play but Bledsoe is an absolute nightmare on the Pelicans. Lonzo because of the pace SVG is having them play at is completely neutralized. He is a run and gun point guard. He needs space, he needs to run to set everyone up. The Pelicans should ideally be running a very similar offense to the Hawks. Two shooters, driving PG, with two bigs but Adams isn't really a rim runner and Hayes is pretty terrible at mostly everything.

packerfan4200 · 01-23-2021, 11:33 PM

Now you guys know why Milwaukee fans were as happy as can be to swap Bledsoe and some late first rounders for Jrue. Massive upgrade on both ends of the floor.

dunkindutchmen · 01-23-2021, 11:36 PM

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Now you guys know why Milwaukee fans were as happy as can be to swap Bledsoe and some late first rounders for Jrue. Massive upgrade on both ends of the floor.

I give the Bucks, namely Giannis and Bud, so much credit for winning so many games with Bledsoe on those teams. Truly astonishing.

PKIPP · 01-23-2021, 11:38 PM

I’d like to see Gumbo Mutumbo go Cajun Iverson mode and just not pass the ball. But he’s cursed with proper basketball iq.

Will be better for him in the long run though.

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WalterAZ31 · 01-24-2021, 12:59 AM

how far does Zions card drops, in all honesty

it might be TWO years before that team is anywhere close to top 4 type team in conference. gonna be a long arduous hold

hes good, but honestly nothing about this guy screams generational type talent to me. if anything he should be dominating more being the best player on a bad team, they literally have nobody else besides Ingram and honestly hes meh at best

whodatbeastly16 · 01-24-2021, 01:16 AM

This guy with the hot take. Zion 30 games into his career dropping 25 ppg is "meh at best". Great take fella!

greg8731 · 01-24-2021, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by whodatbeastly16

This guy with the hot take. Zion 30 games into his career dropping 25 ppg is "meh at best". Great take fella!

To be fair I believe he's referring to Ingram as meh.

StrongandFree86 · 01-24-2021, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

how far does Zions card drops, in all honesty

it might be TWO years before that team is anywhere close to top 4 type team in conference. gonna be a long arduous hold

hes good, but honestly nothing about this guy screams generational type talent to me. if anything he should be dominating more being the best player on a bad team, they literally have nobody else besides Ingram and honestly hes meh at best

Dig into Zion's stats a little more. Here's an example for you, as reported by ESPN on Jan 8, Zion's 711 points in his first 32 games is the 5th most in the last 40 years, and the most since Shaq in 1993.

How do you define a generational talent?

Akphillips86 · 01-24-2021, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

how far does Zions card drops, in all honesty

it might be TWO years before that team is anywhere close to top 4 type team in conference. gonna be a long arduous hold

hes good, but honestly nothing about this guy screams generational type talent to me. if anything he should be dominating more being the best player on a bad team, they literally have nobody else besides Ingram and honestly hes meh at best

The Pelicans are a hot mess, no arguments there.

Zion on the other hand, gotta disagree. His team does absolutely nothing to enhance his ability, he actually has to try to succeed in spite of them. Remember, he’s not running the offense.

Despite all of this, he’s just getting started and the damage he is inflicting on offense is truly rare, generational you might say. Don’t take it from me though.

https://www.nba.com/pelicans/news/zi...ing-efficiency

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shondamon · 01-24-2021, 01:35 AM

I feel like Zion is doing this good without being a primary option with really no calls called for him. Surround him with good shooters who can space the floor, and he’ll do really well. I’m holding all of my Zions

ninjacookies · 01-24-2021, 01:36 AM

Yeah. 24/8/2 as a 20 year old isn't anything special. That's right around middle of the pack for dudes his age.

They should be top 4 in the conference, just like all the other beloved hype prospects from the past 2 years' drafts.....

oh wait.

Totally.

whodatbeastly16 · 01-24-2021, 01:41 AM

Exactly. Not even Lebron made the playoffs his first year and that was in the crappy East

ninjacookies · 01-24-2021, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by whodatbeastly16

Exactly. Not even Lebron made the playoffs his first year and that was in the crappy East

People seem to forget Zion is technically only midway through a rookie campaign, as he doesn't even have 40 career starts under his belt.

And he's only behind His Airness and (I believe) the Admiral in terms of the most 20+ point games in that stretch.

Seems the goalposts keep creepin out to midfield:

high school: aLL hE D0eS Is DuNk?
college: lol calm down...he's not going to do this against actual NBA talent.
2020: injury prone: mocha Sam Bowie confirmed
2021: yeah...but....he's not MJ....I don't see it.

cowboyzqna · 01-24-2021, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

People seem to forget Zion is technically only midway through a rookie campaign, as he doesn't even have 40 career starts under his belt.

And he's only behind His Airness and (I believe) the Admiral in terms of the most 20+ point games in that stretch.

Seems the goalposts keep creepin out to midfield:

high school: aLL hE D0eS Is DuNk?
college: lol calm down...he's not going to do this against actual NBA talent.
2020: injury prone: mocha Sam Bowie confirmed
2021: yeah...but....he's not MJ....I don't see it.

I had an interesting conversation with my boss about this the other night... this is for all intents and purposes around the half way point of his rc season per the numbers. Boss feels like since its year two its year two... which I guess I get.

Zion has lived up to enormous expectations. If in fact his cards dip (pro tip... they absolutely will. Offseason. Bad team. Small market) I plan on stacking. Those mosaic dimes at 150ish are nice. So many "good" cards for great prices.

I will sell my luka doncic 2019 20 mosaic true silver and put that into zion rcs. The luka is a sharp sharp looking card. But I would much rather have two fatty dime rooks.

The big boy is just getting going... and I am more in than ever.

ninjacookies · 01-24-2021, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cowboyzqna

I had an interesting conversation with my boss about this the other night... this is for all intents and purposes around the half way point of his rc season per the numbers. Boss feels like since its year two its year two... which I guess I get.

Zion has lived up to enormous expectations. If in fact his cards dip (pro tip... they absolutely will. Offseason. Bad team. Small market) I plan on stacking. Those mosaic dimes at 150ish are nice. So many "good" cards for great prices.

I will sell my luka doncic 2019 20 mosaic true silver and put that into zion rcs. The luka is a sharp sharp looking card. But I would much rather have two fatty dime rooks.

The big boy is just getting going... and I am more in than ever.

My man.

Y

Think I'm going to consolidate some of my inventory and proceeds from the hoops premium sets and focus on 2 or 3 real nice mid-high end pieces that my clection currently lacks. His big stuff is still pretty nutty, but then again...so is the rest of the market. I don't mind paying up for a kid I believe in and actually enjoy watching nightly (hasn't changed since Duke).

drobfan8 · 01-24-2021, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

how far does Zions card drops, in all honesty

it might be TWO years before that team is anywhere close to top 4 type team in conference. gonna be a long arduous hold

hes good, but honestly nothing about this guy screams generational type talent to me. if anything he should be dominating more being the best player on a bad team, they literally have nobody else besides Ingram and honestly hes meh at best

Put him with an elite PG and it's Payton and Kemp reincarnated.

Not even sure those guards exist anymore though.

Ja and Zion would be a pumpers paradise.

Cavaliercards · 01-24-2021, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by drobfan8

Put him with an elite PG and it's Payton and Kemp reincarnated.

Not even sure those guards exist anymore though.

Ja and Zion would be a pumpers paradise.

You are 100% right. Products would double overnight.

01-23-2021, 11:03 PM	#1755
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,533	Lowry would be an amazing fit, but only at the right price since he'll be 35 next year. I really like Huerter's mold as an unselfish, capable 2 way sg. The only problem there, is that I do think NAW has eventual starting potential so you'd essentially be saying you're giving up on developing him. Ingram definitely isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Seems Ronald also needs to dust off his grandson's ps5 and log some 2k21 time. Because he's completely forgotten how to call effective plays at the pro level. __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.

01-23-2021, 11:38 PM	#1762
PKIPP Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,980	I’d like to see Gumbo Mutumbo go Cajun Iverson mode and just not pass the ball. But he’s cursed with proper basketball iq. Will be better for him in the long run though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ i collect Miguel Cabrera, Detroit Tigers, Carmelo Anthony, Donovan Mitchell, Detroit Pistons Follow me on IG: Cardboard_vault

01-24-2021, 01:35 AM	#1768
shondamon Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: STL Posts: 381 akskek	I feel like Zion is doing this good without being a primary option with really no calls called for him. Surround him with good shooters who can space the floor, and he’ll do really well. I’m holding all of my Zions __________________ sale/trade album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/190460906@N08/albums/72157716246696887

01-24-2021, 01:36 AM	#1769
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,533	Yeah. 24/8/2 as a 20 year old isn't anything special. That's right around middle of the pack for dudes his age. They should be top 4 in the conference, just like all the other beloved hype prospects from the past 2 years' drafts..... oh wait. Totally. __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.

01-23-2021, 10:31 PM	#1751
hairyangryfella Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 13,219	Huerter would be great on this team, if they can somehow acquire him.

01-23-2021, 10:31 PM	#1752
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,940 brothertona1	In my mind trade deadline you go get Kyle Lowry, and I do wonder if you could potentially trade Ingram to the Bulls? Lavine and Markannen for Ingram and a 1st rounder? Potentially Bradley Beal? Trade Ingram plus a couple of 1st rounders for Beal? Maybe you convince the Raptors to trade Pascal for Ingram?

01-23-2021, 10:36 PM	#1753
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,940 brothertona1	I think the Hawks would trade Huerter for a 1st rounder. I know they'd move him for Kira Lewis Jr but I assume you'd be looking at Josh Hart and a 1st rounder.

01-23-2021, 10:50 PM	#1754
blackandgold Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lockport La Posts: 9,066 guidry2732	You guys are delusional if you think the Pels are going to move Ingram......Thats all

01-23-2021, 11:28 PM	#1759
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,940 brothertona1	I said that as well a few days ago, they are one of the 4 slowest teams in the league. They also have no spacing which for a team with Zion is a nightmare. No shooting whatsoever, lots of hero ball, and brutal PG play. Bledsoe is terrible, I understand the idea of getting veterans to teach young players how to play but Bledsoe is an absolute nightmare on the Pelicans. Lonzo because of the pace SVG is having them play at is completely neutralized. He is a run and gun point guard. He needs space, he needs to run to set everyone up. The Pelicans should ideally be running a very similar offense to the Hawks. Two shooters, driving PG, with two bigs but Adams isn't really a rim runner and Hayes is pretty terrible at mostly everything.

01-23-2021, 11:33 PM	#1760
packerfan4200 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Titletown USA Posts: 4,758 packerfan4200 packerfan4200	Now you guys know why Milwaukee fans were as happy as can be to swap Bledsoe and some late first rounders for Jrue. Massive upgrade on both ends of the floor.

01-24-2021, 12:59 AM	#1763
WalterAZ31 Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 8,268	how far does Zions card drops, in all honesty it might be TWO years before that team is anywhere close to top 4 type team in conference. gonna be a long arduous hold hes good, but honestly nothing about this guy screams generational type talent to me. if anything he should be dominating more being the best player on a bad team, they literally have nobody else besides Ingram and honestly hes meh at best

01-24-2021, 01:16 AM	#1764
whodatbeastly16 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 3,896	This guy with the hot take. Zion 30 games into his career dropping 25 ppg is "meh at best". Great take fella!

01-24-2021, 01:41 AM	#1770
whodatbeastly16 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 3,896	Exactly. Not even Lebron made the playoffs his first year and that was in the crappy East