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Old 08-22-2025, 03:25 PM   #18001
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Ok, i think i have a good little case study going on now. I have for quite a while now speculated that the BC Refractor would supplant the contenders rookie ticket in value. Much like the rookie ticket did to the spa about 15 or so years ago.

Well, the same seller who has the refractor listed has a same grade rookie ticket listed that is ending on the same night. Perfect comps! The Refractor sells so infrequently compared to the RT that this is the first time in a long time these stars have aligned

Currently the RT is at $21,100.00 with 9 days to go.

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Do you think that basically just because of true rarity? As far as a higher value.

Wonder why that has still yet to happen to his very low serial numbered cards, when you have people spending a fortune on Prizms lol

I get the brand and all that, but a super low serial number is what it is too.

You’d think a pacific autographs /200 would be worth a fortune, but it’s not
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Old 08-22-2025, 03:36 PM   #18002
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Do you think that basically just because of true rarity? As far as a higher value.

Wonder why that has still yet to happen to his very low serial numbered cards, when you have people spending a fortune on Prizms lol

I get the brand and all that, but a super low serial number is what it is too.

You’d think a pacific autographs /200 would be worth a fortune, but it’s not
You mean the pacific autograph in his college uniform…those cards are becoming second tier and for good reason.
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Old 08-22-2025, 03:52 PM   #18003
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Do you think that basically just because of true rarity? As far as a higher value.

Wonder why that has still yet to happen to his very low serial numbered cards, when you have people spending a fortune on Prizms lol

I get the brand and all that, but a super low serial number is what it is too.

You’d think a pacific autographs /200 would be worth a fortune, but it’s not
I think it is more so the pedigree of the refractor brand and that brady was so unknown at tge time that he only has one refractor from his rookie year. It seems that refractors are really increasing of late and i think it is finally happening with Brady

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Old 08-22-2025, 03:53 PM   #18004
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It doesn't hurt that the BC refractor is VERY limited, but i think it is mostly because of the brand

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You mean the pacific autograph in his college uniform…those cards are becoming second tier and for good reason.
No, I was talking about the pacific auto in his pats uniform

Lol what do you have against it? Year 2000 unlike later prizms, auto issued and very limited /200
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No, I was talking about the pacific auto in his pats uniform

Lol what do you have against it? Year 2000 unlike later prizms, auto issued and very limited /200
As great as he was in college, there had never been longevity in college uni/minor league jerseys. You can say tb12 is special and a hobby unicorn but I don’t buy it and if his cards want to stratosphere it will be because of a relatable in a pats jersey memory not from his orange bowl ot win.

My mantra is to never crap on other people’s collection choice but in this case the convo shifts to pseudo financial advice and I can’t help myself speak a market reality.
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Old 08-22-2025, 08:46 PM   #18007
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As great as he was in college, there had never been longevity in college uni/minor league jerseys. You can say tb12 is special and a hobby unicorn but I don’t buy it and if his cards want to stratosphere it will be because of a relatable in a pats jersey memory not from his orange bowl ot win.

My mantra is to never crap on other people’s collection choice but in this case the convo shifts to pseudo financial advice and I can’t help myself speak a market reality.


Interesting! All the memories/games he played were after the cards were made anyway. Barely even played his rookie year so nothing memorable in the pats jersey from 2000


I’m one of those people where the biggest thing is the cards being made in the year 2000, before everything
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Old 08-23-2025, 08:52 AM   #18008
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I think it is more so the pedigree of the refractor brand and that brady was so unknown at tge time that he only has one refractor from his rookie year. It seems that refractors are really increasing of late and i think it is finally happening with Brady

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PSA 10: 0
BGS 9.5: 0
PSA 9: 1
BGS 9: 7
BGS 8.5: 27
PSA 8: 11
BGS 8.0: 30
BGS 7.5: 13
PSA 7: 3
BGS 7.0: 4
PSA: 6.5: 2
BGS 6.5: 1
PSA 6: 3
BGS 6.0: 0
PSA 5: 3
BGS 5.5: 1
Auth: 3


Grades on BGS Champ Ticket Brady cards. I'm actually surprised how many total copies have been graded 8.0 or better. There's no there are actually 75 copies out there.

I wonder how many are the same card subbed multiple times?
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Out of all of his rookies online, all of them….why are they all relatively high grade? 10, 9, 8 is WAY more common than 3, 4 and 5

Why is it almost rare to even see a 5 or less?

I don’t even know if I’ve seen a PSA 1, 2 or 3 lol and rarely 4
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It’s more about the rarity.

If there was only one refractor but there were as many out there as the bowman chrome, it wouldn’t be worth nearly as much
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Old 08-23-2025, 11:10 AM   #18012
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It does have partially to do with rarity, but the pedigree is more influential. It is Bradys only topps made refractor from his rookie year. The BC is already probably his most popular rookie, and it is accessible to many collectors. The refractor parallel gives thoae deep pocketed collectors/investors a more exclusive option

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It does have partially to do with rarity, but the pedigree is more influential. It is Bradys only topps made refractor from his rookie year. The BC is already probably his most popular rookie, and it is accessible to many collectors. The refractor parallel gives thoae deep pocketed collectors/investors a more exclusive option

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What would the value be if the amount made was reversed? Between chrome and refractor

There’s the answer lol
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Out of all of his rookies online, all of them….why are they all relatively high grade? 10, 9, 8 is WAY more common than 3, 4 and 5

Why is it almost rare to even see a 5 or less?

I don’t even know if I’ve seen a PSA 1, 2 or 3 lol and rarely 4
I would imagine it is because all of Brady's cards are modern not vintage. Older cards didn't have the same degree of quality control
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What would the value be if the amount made was reversed? Between chrome and refractor

There’s the answer lol
It is true, that rarity does play a factor, but not the sole one. That is why the BC Refractor is more valuable than a Pacific parallel out of 79. Demand is the more important factor I would say
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I would imagine it is because all of Brady's cards are modern not vintage. Older cards didn't have the same degree of quality control

Still 25 years old! That’s basically vintage compared to something just made

Idk the exact definition of vintage, pre 1980? Hard to pinpoint it to one year since 1985 was 40 years ago lol doesn’t seem very modern

I mean as far as they were handled after they were made, like peoples Pokémon cards that they messed up playing basically about the same time as Brady’s rookie year, guess since people typically don’t need to handle football cards compared to others

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Still 25 years old! That’s basically vintage compared to something just made

Idk the exact definition of vintage, pre 1980? Hard to pinpoint it to one year since 1985 was 40 years ago lol doesn’t seem very modern

I mean as far as they were handled after they were made, like peoples Pokémon cards that they messed up playing basically about the same time as Brady’s rookie year, guess since people typically don’t need to handle football cards compared to others
Most consider vintage pre 1981. By the 90s-2000s, quality control was worlds better than the 70s and earlier. That is why most Brady rookies are at least a 7 or better
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rookie ticket up to $24k with 8 days left

Refractor holding at $27.8k with 8 days left
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rookie ticket up to $24k with 8 days left

Refractor holding at $27.8k with 8 days left

Wow! Both will be so high. Takes a certain buyer though.

Just for fun, who’s bidding on that? Obviously hopefully someone isn’t spending their life savings, think they must be millionaires?
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Wow! Both will be so high. Takes a certain buyer though.

Just for fun, who’s bidding on that? Obviously hopefully someone isn’t spending their life savings, think they must be millionaires?
good question. there is a lot of money changing hands in the hobby right now.

I know that a PSA 9 2000 Refractor sold at the national for $40k this month. that one will not show up on the auction tracking sights, but it was a big sale.

Brady cards are on the move!
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Spent the day at the West Coast Card show...

The rare Brady stuff is in demand... there just is not enough of it.
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Spent the day at the West Coast Card show...

The rare Brady stuff is in demand... there just is not enough of it.
That's good to hear! What kind of cool stuff did you see? I love card show reports.
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That's good to hear! What kind of cool stuff did you see? I love card show reports.
TBH, not much of Brady caught my eye. Like I said, not a ton out there.

I saw his Impeccable Super Bowl signature /5. That was pretty cool
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Spent the day at the West Coast Card show...

The rare Brady stuff is in demand... there just is not enough of it.

What is this “rare stuff” you are referring too, and how could you tell it was in demand


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There's a saying that they best stuff at a card show like this isn't in the display cases, it's in people's bookbags walking around the show (or in the dealer's inventory behind the showcase, not being sold).

I didn't see any Prizm Golds (saw 1 LeBron, 1 Mahomes... both way over market. No Curry's either),

Didn't see any Flawless Patch Autos, or Upper Deck era big time patches.

Didn't see any really rare, high grade rookies (other than a few Contenders).

Maybe there were some floating around, but I was keeping an eye out for anything really extraordinary Brady, and didn't find much.
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