WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by dlouisb1313

There's been people eliminated in the past that came back in. If they eliminated anybody I have no idea.

Hogan/Sid.

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by Stevepeters298

Rumble was too predictable, 3 years in a row that everyone saw the finish coming from a mile away. Owens vs Ambose was match of the night. Question for you experts though... Who is up for Undertaker at WM?

You know, quite frankly, if I didn't read the Vegas oddsmakers, I would never have thought HHH was going to win . . . until he was announced as a participant.

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by asujbl

This.

As a casual fan from the 80's and early 90's I was excited to watch last night. Rumble was always my favorite as a kid.

Last night was just dumb.

Were the rules the same back in the early 90's? I have no idea but at least they tried to not make it so obvious.

I said the same as everyone else has already in this thread...and I know nothing about current WWE... as soon as Roman went back to the dressing room I said he'd be back. Why would the Miz randomly sit there, and then join when guys are still fighting, if you're allowed to not participate until you want just wait until there is 1 guy left. Lesnar is just going to walk away when a bunch of eliminated guys eliminate him?

The whole thing was stupid. We all suspend some logic for a few hours but lets at least try to make it make sense.

This is probably my biggest problem. . . the Lesnar issue. The guy BEAT UP 3 Wyatts in the ring. Then he gets eliminated. Then, instead of getting revenge...he walks to the back?

What?

[Nyfancam01]

Not going to ready every single comment.


few things...

1. THANK GOD REIGNS LOST
2. THANK GOD DANIEL BRYAN DIDN'T COME BACK (hope he NEVER does!!)
3. YESSSSSS HHH !!!! THE GAME!!!!! WORLD CHAMPION!

[bjho852]

Originally Posted by jbrandonw

Since when can you be eliminated by someone who's already been eliminated. This is just silly.

Originally Posted by dlouisb1313

There's been people eliminated in the past that came back in. If they eliminated anybody I have no idea.

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Hogan/Sid.

This is just as famous, albeit the referrees didn't see it.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Hogan/Sid.

That 90 seconds was better then last night.

God how I miss the old days.

[WalterAZ31]

the only way HHH/Reigns goes last at WM is if the rumored Rock and AUstin are involved as "manager"/referee. And even then it could go awry

i would have had Undertakers match go last, but im assuming since Sting is this years inductee, then Undertaker goes last next year and then retires

id have triple threat match for #1 contender for IC title with Zayn/Owens/Styles

Ambrose/Jericho pretty much a lock for IC title, Jericho wins and then drops the belt to one of the 3 above before going back on hiatus. Ambrose moves on to main event scene if his character is still over enough for it

Wyatts vs lesnar?

i just have no clue where guys like Orton, Sheamus, Rusev, Cena, Rollins, Undertaker, Sting?, fit into all of this

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

the only way HHH/Reigns goes last at WM is if the rumored Rock and AUstin are involved as "manager"/referee. And even then it could go awry

i would have had Undertakers match go last, but im assuming since Sting is this years inductee, then Undertaker goes last next year and then retires

id have triple threat match for #1 contender for IC title with Zayn/Owens/Styles

Ambrose/Jericho pretty much a lock for IC title, Jericho wins and then drops the belt to one of the 3 above before going back on hiatus. Ambrose moves on to main event scene if his character is still over enough for it

Wyatts vs lesnar?

i just have no clue where guys like Orton, Sheamus, Rusev, Cena, Rollins, Undertaker, Sting?, fit into all of this

Cena and Rollins for sure out, Orton had 6-8 month injury but don't remember when he had surgery

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

Ambrose/Jericho pretty much a lock for IC title, Jericho wins and then drops the belt to one of the 3 above before going back on hiatus. Ambrose moves on to main event scene if his character is still over enough for it

That's a complete waste of Ambrose and the IC title, IMO.
Jericho doesn't belong near titles. He belongs with the rising mid-carders (are there any), to put them over, or with a new tag team to put them over. He doesn't need to give a rub to Ambrose, as I'd argue that Ambrose is the bigger star, currently. For Dean to lose the belt to Jericho would damage Dean. He can't lose a midcard title to a part timer.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

the only way HHH/Reigns goes last at WM is if the rumored Rock and AUstin are involved as "manager"/referee. And even then it could go awry

i would have had Undertakers match go last, but im assuming since Sting is this years inductee, then Undertaker goes last next year and then retires

id have triple threat match for #1 contender for IC title with Zayn/Owens/Styles

Ambrose/Jericho pretty much a lock for IC title, Jericho wins and then drops the belt to one of the 3 above before going back on hiatus. Ambrose moves on to main event scene if his character is still over enough for it

Wyatts vs lesnar?

i just have no clue where guys like Orton, Sheamus, Rusev, Cena, Rollins, Undertaker, Sting?, fit into all of this

Orton/Cena/Rollins are still gonna be out with injury, no? Sting will likely never wrestle again with his injury. Sheamus/Rusev will get thrown into the Andre the Giant memorial battle royal if they have it, otherwise it doesn't matter, both aren't getting pushed anyhow.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by rvelligan

I have read all the comments and would like to post mine.
Everyone reading can agree Roman Reigns cannot handle a Wrestlemania main event spot. He has been a 2 year failed experiment. Triple H will headline, hopefully versus the Rock. That's a true main event. Lesnar versus Wyatt is a great co-main event. True talent should be on top. RR deserves Rusev at Mania as the 3rd match of the night.

Unless the fans start hijacking the shows again, Reigns is winning the belt at Mania. If it's Rock/Triple H for the belt, one of them would have to stay around until Summerslam to lose it to a third person. I dont see that happening with either of them.
So unless someone completely unexpected comes into the picture at Fastlane, it's Reigns in the main event.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

the only way HHH/Reigns goes last at WM is if the rumored Rock and AUstin are involved as "manager"/referee. And even then it could go awry

i would have had Undertakers match go last, but im assuming since Sting is this years inductee, then Undertaker goes last next year and then retires

id have triple threat match for #1 contender for IC title with Zayn/Owens/Styles

Ambrose/Jericho pretty much a lock for IC title, Jericho wins and then drops the belt to one of the 3 above before going back on hiatus. Ambrose moves on to main event scene if his character is still over enough for it

Wyatts vs lesnar?

i just have no clue where guys like Orton, Sheamus, Rusev, Cena, Rollins, Undertaker, Sting?, fit into all of this

They won't be on the card. Unless they have a miracle recovery none of them will be in any shape to perform.

[Kingofkings1281]

All I can say is thank god that HHH is champion again. The only thing that bugs me is him having to lose to a B+ player at Mania. Even at this stage of his career, Hunter can wrestle circles around Reigns.

[BestRCs]

Yeah I don't understand all the love for hhh being champ.

I know he's a step up from roman but hhh isn't exactly good for bussiness either. To me hhh is a retired dude. So having him all of a sudden come out of semi retirement to go over on all these young stars isn't a good thing. I think you're putting back the future.

They need to try and develop new stairs besides roman desperately.

There are 3-4 names that would've received a huge PPP had they won. That's what they should've done.

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by BestRCs

Yeah I don't understand all the love for hhh being champ.

I know he's a step up from roman but hhh isn't exactly good for bussiness either. To me hhh is a retired dude. So having him all of a sudden come out of semi retirement to go over on all these young stars isn't a good thing. I think you're putting back the future.

They need to try and develop new stairs besides roman desperately.

There are 3-4 names that would've received a huge PPP had they won. That's what they should've done.

HHH is a star. Something in extremely short supply in the WWE. They want to sell out in Dallas and the only other name that could headline that show would be Lesnar. I know it's a slim chance, but I'm still holding out hope that Rock/HHH headlines and HHH beats Roman at Fastlane.

[GeechQuest]

I remember when Lesnar won the title in 2014 at SummerSlam many people thought it was bad for business having a part-timer hold the title. Turns out that Lesnar was not only the right choice but the BEST choice to hold it.

To me this HHH title reign feels the same. He's the BEST choice to hold it. Lesnar would have held it this year if they didn't do Lesnar vs Reigns last year at Mania. They learned from Cena vs Rock 2 that you absolutely can't have the same main event 2 years in a row.

Everyone thinking that HHH vs Reigns at Mania is a done deal needs to step back a bit. While that's the obvious choice it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see HHH drop the title before Mania. I know everybody thinks WWE is predictable, but you can read back through the past few pages on this thread and see that it isn't. While many had HHH winning the Rumble (after the vegas odds came out of course), plenty of people had him coming in at 31. Hell, even Vegas only gave HHH an ever so slight edge over RR, so nobody truly knew the winner until Reigns was eliminated. Plenty had Daniel Bryan coming back at the Rumble. Last year it was etched in stone RR would win MIB, turns out they were wrong. It's predictable to a point, but when the story becomes blatantly obvious is typically when WWE throws their swerve.

My prediction is HHH vs Reigns IS NOT the go to plan right now. HHH is merely a placeholder for a contingency plan. It's been hinted at but it wouldn't surprise me at all for a "Finger Poke" title change to occur, appointing a new Authority lackey. WWE is waiting to confirm the health of the actual top performers before going full boar at Mania. If you noticed, nobody even mentioned last night that HHH is going to headline Wrestlemania the way they typically do when a Rumble winner is crowned. The talk was mostly centered around HHH becoming the champion.

Long post I know but don't think for 1 minute the Mania ME is completely booked, we're still a LONG way away from April.

[Bob Loblaw]

WWE is pimping a return of a major star at Raw. My guess - Flair stated last week that he is bringing Lawrence Taylor to Raw. That'll put asses in the seats.

Also, Cody tweeted that Stardust is dead.

[GoldStandard000]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

WWE is pimping a return of a major star at Raw. My guess - Flair stated last week that he is bringing Lawrence Taylor to Raw. That'll put asses in the seats.

Also, Cody tweeted that Stardust is dead.

I'll say its one of these guys: Taker, Orton, Rock because they are in Miami or Bryan.

[mikecamp99]

My predictions for WM:

HHH (w/ Vince in his corner) vs. Roman Reigns (w/ Rock in his corner) for the belt. Someone on a podcast brought up a scenario which I think could happen where Roman wins, then Rock hits the peoples elbow on Vince, writing him off TV forever.

Dean Ambrose vs. Jericho for IC Title and I'm sure Jericho will be putting him over.

The New Day vs. Enzo and Cass or Gable and Jordan for the Tag Team Titles. More of wishful thinking, but The New Day needs to feud with someone new.

Kalisto vs. Del Rio for US Title. Only because I can't think of anyone else.

Bray Wyatt vs. Brock Lesnar thinking this will be just a one on one, no need for it to be a handicap. Would really like to see Bray get over, this company needs top heels.

Brawn Stroman vs. Undertaker they've been hinting at this for a while. What a terrible match this would be if true.

Sami Zayn vs Kevin Owens

AJ Styles vs Anyone: I want to see AJ!

Cena, Orton, Rollins, Sting all out due to injury. Not much of a star-studded event. I know they are saying Austin will be there, but I can't see it as being more then the opening act coming out and getting the Texas crowd hyped.


One other thing, there is absolute plain non-sense being thrown around. You can have opinions, that's fine. But when you want to make the excuse that the untrue crap you're throwing out is just "opinions" that's just ridiculous. Daniel Bryan wasn't a draw???? When Roman Reigns wins the title at Mania this year let's compare crowd reactions to his win and Bryan's win at WM 30 to see who was more over. Daniel Bryan gets louder pops when he comes out in street clothes then when Roman Reigns wins matches and belts. Just because your boy isn't getting over doesn't mean you have to come on here and make stuff up.

[Ty Hope]

If the Rock is in RR's corner, they'll chant "Rocky" the whole match and boo RR's offense. It won't end well for him. HHH will get cheers too.

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

If the Rock is in RR's corner, they'll chant "Rocky" the whole match and boo RR's offense. It won't end well for him. HHH will get cheers too.

HHH is the greatest heel of all time. If he can't get Reigns over as a face, then no one can.

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

HHH is the greatest heel of all time. If he can't get Reigns over as a face, then no one can.

Greatest heel of all time is a stretch (Hi, Ric Flair), but he is an established star with a decorated career. On a stage of that magnitude, people will cheer him over the mediocre RR.

[Stevepeters298]

The rock is the surprise WWE star return tonight...

[Ty Hope]

I love the Rock, but if the plan is to have him help RR get over, it may well backfire like last year.

[BestRCs]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

HHH is a star. Something in extremely short supply in the WWE. They want to sell out in Dallas and the only other name that could headline that show would be Lesnar. I know it's a slim chance, but I'm still holding out hope that Rock/HHH headlines and HHH beats Roman at Fastlane.

Yeah... I'm not sure how much more buys hhh is going to get. Especially at this point in his career. And tbh I think they'd sell out anyway (it's an event) and I'd argue that the product would be so much more hyped with new stars building their own wrestle mania moment. Like last night. The best part of the show was Owens vs ambrose. They need to give cats a chance. If they keep thinking now now now, they will continue to be in desperate need of a star.

There are no residuals with hhh. Just now.

And also no one is digging this storyline.... And you're gonna sell it at mania? That's weird. No one likes it. All I see is people complaining about this storyline.