Ronald Acuña

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by 22emmittfan

wife was getting on me about my cards everywhere so used day to clean and found me a couple of nice acuna updates blue jersey and one update bat down …

Update isn’t the bat down. That is in Series 2.

[ThoseBackPages]

Bat Down is a must own for a Rookie Card Collector

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Bat Down is a must own for a Rookie Card Collector

Wait, TBP, are you saying the bat down is a rookie card? I thought you were a purist when it came to RCs?

[LVDan]

Oh boy


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[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by dashcol

Wait, TBP, are you saying the bat down is a rookie card? I thought you were a purist when it came to RCs?

Pack issued in 2018 Series Two, readily available for under $20 at release

Absolutely is the RC

[KB81]

Originally Posted by dashcol

I apologize if it has been discussed before in here, but I don’t know how long it would take me to go through 738 pages to get the answer. Sorry if I annoy anyone in here.

Are we about to see the next 2011 Update Mike Trout in the 2018 Acuna bat down? The raw prices are at $350, and the PSA 10 prices are approaching $1000. Still behind the base Trout prices, but not by much.

I know this is not his true rookie as it was an SP, but it is his first flagship card with the RC logo. There are presumed less copies of this card than there are of the Trout Update, but there are many more Acuna RCs than there are Trout.

So, do you Acuna experts see this maintaining these insane prices, or will they fall? If he goes on and plays this way and wins a couple MVP, or does something Trout hasn’t like get a ring or a WS MVP could the bat down prices go any higher?

I seem to think the market can’t sustain two players with their “key” rookie year card being $1000+ as a ten. Acuna prices will fall before Trouts IMO, barring some insane Trout enjoyed that ends his career before he hits ten years.

In order to speak of Trout sustained numbers and price increases, this kid needs to have 3 solid back to back season with his name in the top 3 MVP voting and then some. How long has Trout been in the league?? (rhetorical)

He is still a prime candidate to have just 1 hot season and fizzle out. You just never know. Right now his prices are high due to hype and his strong season.

Missing consistency. Can't make a Trout recipe with the main ingredient, consistency.

[KB81]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Pack issued in 2018 Series Two, readily available for under $20 at release

Absolutely is the RC

#698 FTW!

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Pack issued in 2018 Series Two, readily available for under $20 at release

Absolutely is the RC

Alright, I agree with you, but I believe the technical definition states that it can’t be SP’d.

Originally Posted by KB81

In order to speak of Trout sustained numbers and price increases, this kid needs to have 3 solid back to back season with his name in the top 3 MVP voting and then some. How long has Trout been in the league?? (rhetorical)

He is still a prime candidate to have just 1 hot season and fizzle out. You just never know. Right now his prices are high due to hype and his strong season.

Missing consistency. Can't make a Trout recipe with the main ingredient, consistency.

That was kind of my point, these prices have to come back down to Earth soon. At what price point would you guys be buying into the bat down again? I am thing when it drops below $200 in the off season might be a great buying opportunity. However, we may not see that drop right away, the off season has actually been seeing prices rise. So if key card prices rise in the off season, Acunas prices rise when he is in a slump, when exactly would we see the fall come? Would it take starting next season hitting below .200 after the first month?

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Most of my Acuna cards are not for sale but I have been getting lot of queries/interest on my black, clear acetate and sapphire red from some high end collectors recently (in the past few days) which I never saw before. When I say high end collectors, I mean collectors similar to the ones who have traded high end Trout and Lebron cards with me.

I said above on Aug 10th, around the same time when his card prices took off. I still get queries (outside of blowout) on Acuna cards from some high end collectors (Trout, Lebron, Jordan).

For those looking for the prices to drop, keep in mind that the market can be irrational and unpredictable. The dip in prices that everyone is looking for may or may not happen. We have been in a bull market for the past 10 years and collectors are taking some profits and diversifying into other players. The collectors are targeting Acuna in baseball (similar to Mahomes in Football) as evidenced by influx of money into his cards leading to surge in prices. I am going to hold on to most of my cards until that changes.


Disclosure: I own Ohtani>Acuna>Soto among speculative bets.

[oddstuff]

Originally Posted by dashcol

Alright, I agree with you, but I believe the technical definition states that it can’t be SP’d.



That was kind of my point, these prices have to come back down to Earth soon. At what price point would you guys be buying into the bat down again? I am thing when it drops below $200 in the off season might be a great buying opportunity. However, we may not see that drop right away, the off season has actually been seeing prices rise. So if key card prices rise in the off season, Acunas prices rise when he is in a slump, when exactly would we see the fall come? Would it take starting next season hitting below .200 after the first month?

I think the only way the bat down will come down in price dramatically (barring anything catastrophic i.e. injury, etc.) is if there's a large increase in supply...if cases of S2 at a decent price start to appear on the market and buyers buy/break in mass. Otherwise, anyone holding out hope for a decent possible gem mint raw to be under $200 is wishful thinking.

[dream34]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Bat Down is a must own for a Rookie Card Collector

This. It's an absolutely perfect modern day RC card.

First Topps RC Card, First MLB AB, First MLB Pitch, First MLB Swing.

As long as he performs, it should be an iconic Baseball RC Card.

[TheFreeShipper]

It is a great swing and card.

[moosetequila]

I feel blessed to have 2 PSA nines... slow to join the party but at least I showed up.

[rj.cataldo]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I've been on the Acuna bandwagon since his first 2017 heritage card came out. (Which I sold many copies for $3...)

I just can't support these prices right now. This whole market has had an artificial lift that has nothing to do with his performance right now.

He is having a great season overall and I think he will get out of this slump. But unless the Braves make a serious postseason run, I'm selling now and buying in November when things cool off.

I agree with this. In full disclosure I don’t have any Acuna (not intentionally), but would like to add a few at some point. That said, I have a hard time justifying the prices. There is some natural rise due to his performance, Trout, etc, but the tides rose super fast on all these update cards and now Soto and Gleyber inflated rapidly as well.

There is either some extreme FOMO or some type of manipulation. Foils and golds are plentiful cards that sell for hundreds seemingly over the course of a month. I also think the pool of individuals chasing these cards is heavily concentrated.

All that said, I do like to see value in flagship / update, and these are cards I would like own at some point, but I doubt I’ll buy in at these prices.


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[jerrygarcia]

Just hit this 2/10.
Any idea of a value in this market?

Not selling, just curious.


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[boston12]

Originally Posted by jerrygarcia

Attachment 466438
Just hit this 2/10.
Any idea of a value in this market?

Not selling, just curious.


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Congrats nice hit. No idea on value. /10 certainly helps with the bat down image. Sticker hurts. So I’m not sure where it would end up

[oddstuff]

Originally Posted by jerrygarcia

Attachment 466438
Just hit this 2/10.
Any idea of a value in this market?

Not selling, just curious.


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woo hoo today's lotto winner! easy 1k at the minimum...

[mcgoo2]

There's a lot of shilling going on with these bat downs so it's hard for me to tell but if they're approaching $1k, those buyers are getting taken for a ride. You could get a gem mint 2017 bowman auto for $1,500...

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by jerrygarcia

Attachment 466438
Just hit this 2/10.
Any idea of a value in this market?

Not selling, just curious.


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So it does exist. Nice!

[Derek2011]

Originally Posted by rj.cataldo

I agree with this. In full disclosure I don’t have any Acuna (not intentionally), but would like to add a few at some point. That said, I have a hard time justifying the prices. There is some natural rise due to his performance, Trout, etc, but the tides rose super fast on all these update cards and now Soto and Gleyber inflated rapidly as well.

There is either some extreme FOMO or some type of manipulation. Foils and golds are plentiful cards that sell for hundreds seemingly over the course of a month. I also think the pool of individuals chasing these cards is heavily concentrated.

All that said, I do like to see value in flagship / update, and these are cards I would like own at some point, but I doubt I’ll buy in at these prices.


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Prepare to not pick any up then

[Rjackd11]

Originally Posted by mcgoo2

There's a lot of shilling going on with these bat downs so it's hard for me to tell but if they're approaching $1k, those buyers are getting taken for a ride. You could get a gem mint 2017 bowman auto for $1,500...

It is getting a little nuts. I think the bat down card has a few things going for it that make it more desirable in some ways than the BCA. 1, the RC logo is nice. I completely understand the 1st Chrome thing, but for some people, they prefer the RC. 2, it is a legit, pack-pulled SP, so there’s an element of “exclusivity” to it. And 3, the pose is about 100x better than the Bowman 1st picture. Add those 3 elements together and you’ve got a pretty attractive card.


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[KB81]

Originally Posted by rj.cataldo

There is either some extreme FOMO or some type of manipulation.

Plenty of FOMO among current Acuña, Soto and Gleyber.
If you look at all the threads, Trout is mentioned as who to blame for Update. Rightfully so, his iconic 2011 Topps Update is “THE” Topps Update Card to own.

I feel people are looking for next Trout. Want to get in on ground floor.
Trying to get the next big fish is understandable. FOMO is what is driving these crazy trains.

I admit to FOMO.
I am not a paid spokesman for FOMO.
Lol

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by rj.cataldo

I agree with this. In full disclosure I don’t have any Acuna (not intentionally), but would like to add a few at some point. That said, I have a hard time justifying the prices. There is some natural rise due to his performance, Trout, etc, but the tides rose super fast on all these update cards and now Soto and Gleyber inflated rapidly as well.

There is either some extreme FOMO or some type of manipulation. Foils and golds are plentiful cards that sell for hundreds seemingly over the course of a month. I also think the pool of individuals chasing these cards is heavily concentrated.

All that said, I do like to see value in flagship / update, and these are cards I would like own at some point, but I doubt I’ll buy in at these prices.


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I agree some of it is a concentrated group. How many of the high end cards are bought by members here and in this thread? How many prices are being driven up by investors selling to the next investor? Would be interesting to try and find out, but really hard to do.

Originally Posted by mcgoo2

There's a lot of shilling going on with these bat downs so it's hard for me to tell but if they're approaching $1k, those buyers are getting taken for a ride. You could get a gem mint 2017 bowman auto for $1,500...

I have been saying it for a long time, because you know, Bowman is King....but....I have been thinking that a battle is coming to try and unseat the king!

Now nothing with unseat BC any time soon, but thanks to Trout we have been seeing RC prices climb and climb and climb, while MOST BC 1st autos tend to remain constant. What are Saphire RCs at these days? What about Foliboards? All of those I believe are above the $1500 mark.

[Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jerrygarcia

Attachment 466438
Just hit this 2/10.
Any idea of a value in this market?

Not selling, just curious.


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Wow. Congrats on the hit. A bit of a mythic card there imo and such a low number makes it hard to pin a number to. Guessing $1700 ungraded, but could see it going as high as $2500 or as low as $800.

Pros: bat down, auto, /10, on-card auto (?)
Negatives: snowflakes out the arse

[ClevelandIC]

Originally Posted by Longhorn

Wow. Congrats on the hit. A bit of a mythic card there imo and such a low number makes it hard to pin a number to. Guessing $1700 ungraded, but could see it going as high as $2500 or as low as $800.

Pros: bat down, auto, /10, on-card auto (?)
Negatives: snowflakes out the arse

I actually think your price is a great estimate. I'd put the floor closer to 1,200 but yeah, everything else checks out.