2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

So in other words, you cannot explain or won't your misunderstanding. Gotcha.

Maybe the fella on your lap should do the explaining for his silly comment.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Maybe the fella on your lap should do the explaining for his silly comment.

I feel bad for you.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I feel bad for you.

samesies. enjoy the next 4 1/2 years buddy!

[patchgenie]

hopefully, trump can stop the violence and looting.

[Jgil316]

Ironically - all Trump supporters and media outlets are avoiding the Mattis letter..........

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Ironically - all Trump supporters and media outlets are avoiding the Mattis letter..........

I don’t really care for the news but it’s on Fox News website


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...s-george-floyd

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Ironically - all Trump supporters and media outlets are avoiding the Mattis letter..........

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I don’t really care for the news but it’s on Fox News website


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...s-george-floyd

...the TOP STORY on Fox News.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Ironically - all Trump supporters and media outlets are avoiding the Mattis letter..........

Seriously the top story. What are you looking at?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by cnewby

...the TOP STORY on Fox News.

Originally Posted by mattglet

Seriously the top story. What are you looking at?

Totally expect the my bad I was wrong response.

[Siberian13]

As expected, full apology by Brees.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I'm saying (in my opinion) people shouldn't treat the flag like it's something important. I'm also saying that people shouldn't be upset with the protesters, they are using it as an opportunity to be heard. It should be controversial otherwise people would ignore it. If the protests only took place at the back of a Foot Locker every 3rd Thursday of the month, no one would know about it. I get that it makes you uncomfortable, but that's part of the point. Does it suck to have to hear all these bad takes from the "shut up and play" crowd because they just want to watch their sports and not have to think about the reality of what's going on in our society? Yes, but not anywhere close to how much it sucks to be on the receiving end of police brutality and other social injustice. I know we won't agree on the flag, but maybe we can agree that changes need to be made.

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

You're right we can agree that things need to change. You're also right that we won't agree on the flag situation. I will say though I have the right to voice my opinion of not liking the method of protest just like they have their right to protest and voice their displeasure with those that don't agree with them. It goes both ways.

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

You're right there is no middle ground anymore. It's rather unnerving to be honest.

You guys found middle ground. Sometimes the middle is just agree to disagree. That's okay.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

As expected, full apology by Brees.

Surprised it took so long.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

As expected, full apology by Brees.

He didn't back down on his stance though, which I applaud him for. Many would have.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I do support that right, I literally said he can say whatever he likes. Now he has to live with the consequences. Hopefully for his sake he'll be able to repair those relationships with his teammates.

I wasn't referring to Brees. I'm talking about anyone who supports not kneeling during the national anthem. I feel that way and yet I have no consequences just like you don't for feeling the way you do.


Except you responded to being disturbed about the flag being called a piece of cloth and suggested if I knew someone that fought or died for the country I'd feel differently. You also didn't understand the fetishism comment, but that's fine. We disagree on the flag, not a big deal.

It's almost like you don't realize how many people have fought and died for your right to say what you're saying. Do you just dismiss Memorial Day too? Ironically almost 600,000 Americans fought to end slavery under that flag that means nothing to you. Do you even understand how and why you have the freedoms you have today?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I'm starting an apocalypse cult if anyone wants in.

You can whistle past the graveyard if you want, but the history of democratic states is not on your side. Notwithstanding the pot bubbling in front of you.

It won’t be an apocalypse, but it’s not going to end well.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

What do you think they're "celebrating"? lol

It's just an excuse for people to drink and go on boats and what not.

Maybe to you that's what it is. How high and mighty you must be to think you speak for every American who celebrates our country. Newsflash, you don't.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

As expected, full apology by Brees.

Drew Brees is awesome and it is disgusting to see what has been said about him in the last 24-hours.

But let this be a lesson for anyone who dares to step out with independent, reasonable thought. No matter what you do for others, what you have done for your city, how terrific of a human being you have been throughout your life, if you step out of line; you will be beaten into submission until you bend a knee to the mob. No exceptions.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Drew Brees is awesome and it is disgusting to see what has been said about him in the last 24-hours.

But let this be a lesson for anyone who dares to step out with independent, reasonable thought. No matter what you do for others, what you have done for your city, how terrific of a human being you have been throughout your life, if you step out of line; you will be beaten into submission until you bend a knee to the mob. No exceptions.

Anyone here willing to show me specifically what Brees said, unbiased manner, without commentary?

I don't even want to go looking for it ... it's nearly impossible to find facts devoid of misrepresentation anymore.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I'm saying (in my opinion) people shouldn't treat the flag like it's something important. I'm also saying that people shouldn't be upset with the protesters, they are using it as an opportunity to be heard. It should be controversial otherwise people would ignore it. If the protests only took place at the back of a Foot Locker every 3rd Thursday of the month, no one would know about it. I get that it makes you uncomfortable, but that's part of the point. Does it suck to have to hear all these bad takes from the "shut up and play" crowd because they just want to watch their sports and not have to think about the reality of what's going on in our society? Yes, but not anywhere close to how much it sucks to be on the receiving end of police brutality and other social injustice. I know we won't agree on the flag, but maybe we can agree that changes need to be made.

And we're saying (in our opinion) people should treat the flag like it is important. A hell of a lot of people died fighting under that flag.
If your mother worked for a shoe company that took advantage of underpaid foreign workers and I didn't like that, would you be ok with me protesting on her grave?
Some of us hold the same reverence towards that flag like we do our own ancestors.
Or should I take advantage of that opportunity no matter how uncomfortable it makes you or anyone else feels because that's part of the point?

[kerg]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

Anyone here willing to show me specifically what Brees said, unbiased manner, without commentary?

“I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country. Let me just tell what I see or what I feel when the national anthem is played and when I look at the flag of the United States. I envision my two grandfathers, who fought for this country during World War II, one in the Army and one in the Marine Corp. Both risking their lives to protect our country and to try to make our country and this world a better place. So every time I stand with my hand over my heart looking at that flag and singing the national anthem, that’s what I think about. And in many cases, that brings me to tears, thinking about all that has been sacrificed. Not just those in the military, but for that matter, those throughout the civil rights movements of the ‘60s, and all that has been endured by so many people up until this point. And is everything right with our country right now? No, it is not. We still have a long way to go. But I think what you do by standing there and showing respect to the flag with your hand over your heart, is it shows unity. It shows that we are all in this together, we can all do better and that we are all part of the solution.”

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by kerg

“I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country. Let me just tell what I see or what I feel when the national anthem is played and when I look at the flag of the United States. I envision my two grandfathers, who fought for this country during World War II, one in the Army and one in the Marine Corp. Both risking their lives to protect our country and to try to make our country and this world a better place. So every time I stand with my hand over my heart looking at that flag and singing the national anthem, that’s what I think about. And in many cases, that brings me to tears, thinking about all that has been sacrificed. Not just those in the military, but for that matter, those throughout the civil rights movements of the ‘60s, and all that has been endured by so many people up until this point. And is everything right with our country right now? No, it is not. We still have a long way to go. But I think what you do by standing there and showing respect to the flag with your hand over your heart, is it shows unity. It shows that we are all in this together, we can all do better and that we are all part of the solution.”

Drew Brees is a monster.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Drew Brees is a monster.

As are peaceful protesters.

[Jgil316]

Y'all are correct and I did not refresh Fox about Mattis - my mistake.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by mattglet

As are peaceful protesters.

Who is calling the peace protesters monsters? They have every right to protest and should be allowed to do so.

One day, there may be a cause that I feel strongly enough about where I want to protest and I hope I am allowed to do it.

What are you talking about?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by mattglet

As are peaceful protesters.

Peaceful protestors don’t loot and riot and assault people. But they do suck when they block traffic.