WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[BestRCs]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

Last nights show was terrible. I started watching Raw again about 4 years ago after not watching for about 10 years prior to that. I've seen a lot of crap shows these last 4 years, but last night was the first time I actually turned it off halfway through because I couldn't stand it. Eventually I turned it back on only fast forwarding during it and stopping whenever anything looked interesting. There was basically nothing interesting the rest of the show.

I turned it off during the Taker/Vince segment. They advertise Undertaker all week, he's suppose to confront Vince about this match he put him in. The storyline could had been something really good last night.... instead we get a promo that was shorter then how long it takes Taker to hobble to the ring. Just stupid, unbelievably stupid. Then you have Ambrose look like a complete loser, getting his ass kicked over and over and let's give him a title shot. I like Ambrose, I have no problems with him but why does he deserve a title shot after looking like a loser? Does WWE really expect us to believe he has a shot of actually beating HHH, or Brock for that matter? In a real fight against Brock he would be destroyed, yet in WWE both matches will be really close but in the end he will lose even though he's been decimated now by both men the last two weeks.

Most of the rest of the show is just hot garbage. It doesn't make any sense to have this stupid Y2AJ gimmick, however it could be ok if Jericho turns on AJ next week leading to an Intercontinental multi-man match at WM. The New Day is getting terrible, they've become a parody of themselves. And now their going to feud with the League of Nations? Why? Why??? Why can't we just have Enzo and Cass come up to feud with them. They don't even need to win the belts right away. Have a several month feud, at least it would be new and fresh and entertaining.

I'm not going to be that guy that says I'm not watching anymore, I'm cancelling the network blah blah. I'll be recording Raw next week and wasting time watching it again, but I'm really starting to get bored with it. This is suppose to be the high point of the year for WWE, the time where the interest is suppose to peak. So if this is what they have to offer, then I'm afraid for them to see what happens after Mania. Could get really bad.

Man. I understand. I feel the same way...... In fact the entire IWC community is saying the same exact stuff. It's crazy. It's so obvious yet wwe keeps throwig this garbage on television. I swear it's like they don't care or they're not even trying. Which either way is not "good for bussiness". Nothing they're doing makes sense at all.

I feel like you need to take care of the IWC first.... the people who truly follow wrestling the people who travel to PPVs and buy merch because the casual fan will always be just that... Casual. They aren't traveling buying merch paying a subscription to stuff they're "causal" about. If the product is good in the opinion of fans who love this stuff and know this stuff idk how it wouldn't transcend into mainstream more. Example look at daniel Bryan. The iwc demanded a bryan run and wwe exploded in popularity there for that brief moment. The pops were so loud that mainstream had to notice.

I just imagine it's only going to get better when people start tuning out permanently. And people stop caring about this hot garbage and wwe starts really losing money.

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

In short:

You have too many weeks until Wrestlemania. Build for that long will be slow. If they did everything right away there would be nothing left to do later.

Raw has been terrible pretty much every week for years now. It would be one thing if the show was good most of the time and this was a bad one, but it's pretty much terrible week in and week out. Why have Taker on the show if he's going to come out for a 10 second line, then walk to the back? Would it have been that difficult to have Taker come out, say he's isn't told what to do, Vince can shove it whatever and build it to Taker accepting the match. Or someone else, instead it's waddle to the ring for 5 minutes, say "Your sons blood is on your hands." Then waddle to the back for another 5 minutes. Just dumb.

Originally Posted by EWG3

Was looking forward to a great Sasha Bank/Becky Lynch match and we got one a stupid finish that made no sense. Did they not realize the finish in NXT with Sami and Joe looked stupid as well?

This was another stupid thing last night. That finish looked amazingly, sorry painfully is a better word, awful. That sunset flip spot where Sasha just laid down to take the pin was terrible. Double pins look stupid, if you want to do something like that then do a double count out. Or bring back time limits and have it go to a time limit draw.

[fazzle]

How has nobody mentioned the absolute worst part of Raw yet?

I'm, of course, referring to the Natalya Subway commercial. Holy hell what was that? They've done plenty of awful product placement before, but....my god.

[celtics]

Everyone is upset but IMO the show is designed for Children who buy Shirts and Merchandise. I really can't understand the logic if it isn't designed for them.

[celtics]

Originally Posted by EWG3

Was looking forward to a great Sasha Bank/Becky Lynch match and we got one a stupid finish that made no sense. Did they not realize the finish in NXT with Sami and Joe looked stupid as well?

The best part is Sasha came down off the ropes, sat up for like 2 seconds and then automatically just fell back. It was almost like she forgot what to do.

[Bob Loblaw]

So... KO and Big Show at WM?

Eff you, WWE.

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by fazzle

How has nobody mentioned the absolute worst part of Raw yet?

I'm, of course, referring to the Natalya Subway commercial. Holy hell what was that? They've done plenty of awful product placement before, but....my god.

You didn't like the vague lesbian vibe from Renee Young...who is dating Dean Ambrose but paid to play a lesbian while interviewing Natalya?

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

So... KO and Big Show at WM?

Eff you, WWE.

I'm guessing multi-person match like last year, so maybe another ladder match. KO, Big Show, Jericho, Styles, The Miz and Ziggler?

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

So... KO and Big Show at WM?

Eff you, WWE.

Guessing it happens at Roadblock.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

Raw has been terrible pretty much every week for years now. It would be one thing if the show was good most of the time and this was a bad one, but it's pretty much terrible week in and week out. Why have Taker on the show if he's going to come out for a 10 second line, then walk to the back? Would it have been that difficult to have Taker come out, say he's isn't told what to do, Vince can shove it whatever and build it to Taker accepting the match. Or someone else, instead it's waddle to the ring for 5 minutes, say "Your sons blood is on your hands." Then waddle to the back for another 5 minutes. Just dumb.



This was another stupid thing last night. That finish looked amazingly, sorry painfully is a better word, awful. That sunset flip spot where Sasha just laid down to take the pin was terrible. Double pins look stupid, if you want to do something like that then do a double count out. Or bring back time limits and have it go to a time limit draw.

I don't mind the way he came out. Undertaker is expecting an easy night. Why have him drag out the acceptance? He's not facing Shawn Michaels.

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

I don't mind the way he came out. Undertaker is expecting an easy night. Why have him drag out the acceptance? He's not facing Shawn Michaels.

So he's just going to be cool with facing the owners son just out of nowhere? Well I guess your way to easy to please, your the type of person WWE is targeting then because no matter what they do you think it's good.

EDIT: You know it would be one thing if Undertaker and Vince were in a group together, or there was a storyline of these two men go way back and Undertaker has always said he would do whatever Vince asks of him. Something to explain how when Vince named Undertaker out of the blue, it would at least make some sense why Undertaker is taking on this match with no push back.

[sthoemke]

Undertaker's appearance was lame. Basically, he just walked out, said one line, then walked backed backstage.

He should have tombstoned McMahan, then tombstone Shane (if he was even there), then destroyed half the roster, and set the ring on fire, then do the white eyeball thing, stick his tongue out, say Rest In Peace, and then vanish in a cloud of smoke with lightning going off in every direction.

[fazzle]

So, random question I figured it would be fun to throw out and see what people's experiences were like. What are the best and worst matches you've ever had the honor (or...dishonor as it were) of seeing live and in person?

For me the best is Shane McMahon vs Kurt Angle from KOTR 2001. There really shouldn't be anything else that needs to be said, as that match was just flat out ridiculous.

As for the worst, it's without a doubt Al Snow vs Big Bossman Kennel from Hell. It doesn't matter how bad it was on PPV, it was SO MUCH WORSE in person, at least from my seats. For those who (luckily) don't remember, it was a HIAC with "vicious" dogs surrounding the ring, and a cage inside the cell. But you see, the problem was that the bars from the cage weren't lined up properly with the cell, so from where I was sitting I could see literally NOTHING inside the ring. It was just horrendous.

[BestRCs]

Any chance Ambrose wins at this "roadblock". Seems so random that they are throwing this event together.... Unless it's to shake things up for mania main event.

[ricksam]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Last week was great, This week not so much. Next week is Chicago. Chicago shows never disappoint.

chicago? chicago?
let the cm punk rumors begin again ... lets go Punk

Originally Posted by BestRCs

Any chance Ambrose wins at this "roadblock". Seems so random that they are throwing this event together.... Unless it's to shake things up for mania main event.

yup, looks like wwe backpedalling again from their initial plans w this HHH - Ambrose match up .. ambrose beaten and still gets to be #1 contender, bet the rest of the roster liked that

[fazzle]

Originally Posted by BestRCs

Any chance Ambrose wins at this "roadblock". Seems so random that they are throwing this event together.... Unless it's to shake things up for mania main event.

I'd be willing to bet they're just gonna use this as another stop to try and make sure HHH gets heel heat at Mania (and it'll still fail)

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by BestRCs

Any chance Ambrose wins at this "roadblock". Seems so random that they are throwing this event together.... Unless it's to shake things up for mania main event.

They needed a big match to help the special. No chance Ambrose wins nor should he.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by ricksam

chicago? chicago?
let the cm punk rumors begin again ... lets go Punk


yup, looks like wwe backpedalling again from their initial plans w this HHH - Ambrose match up .. ambrose beaten and still gets to be #1 contender, bet the rest of the roster liked that

Chicago fans are more smart than other Wrestling fans. Punk has a 2 year deal with UFC so you won't see him. I'm sure you won't see him ever again.

[Ty Hope]

No matter what happens, we're stuck with Reigns for the foreseeable future. Otherwise known as an even crappier, less charismatic, Cena. It sucks...

The under and mid card will be what to watch for quite a long time (already is).

[Ty Hope]

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[Pot Roast]

When can Seth be back?

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by Pot Roast

When can Seth be back?

Probably summer.

[DaKidder]

Originally Posted by ricksam

chicago? chicago?
let the cm punk rumors begin again ... lets go Punk


yup, looks like wwe backpedalling again from their initial plans w this HHH - Ambrose match up .. ambrose beaten and still gets to be #1 contender, bet the rest of the roster liked that

[natbornkiller]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

So... KO and Big Show at WM?

Eff you, WWE.

in a pre wm match

[Pot Roast]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

Probably summer.

Well, dang it.