Running PSA Order Tracker

[BuddyCards]

Not Vaulted
Order Type: 80s Sports Special
# of cards: 105
Order Arrived: 7/26/23
Order Entered: 8/16/23
Research & ID: 8/16/23
Grading: 8/31/23
Assembly:
QA1:
QA2:
Grades:
Shipped:

[prospectorgems]

Originally Posted by TXRunner

So going on a week now with the cards disappeared in Q2 and no grades yet.

Originally Posted by kobemagee29

Same with my order

At least your orders made it to QA2 stage. I had a smaller modern order sit in Research & ID for over a month before moving into the grading stage. Zero reason for modern cards to sit in R&ID for that long. Of course, also zero reason the orders need to sit in QA2 that long either.

[RTR6]

September Grading Specials listed

https://www.psacard.com/specials

First listed is 2000-2023 NFL

PSA Collectors Club NFL Special

$15.99 per Card
10-Card Minimum
$300 Maximum Declared Value per Card
2000-Present, Pro Football Cards Only
50 Business Day Estimated Turnaround Time
Estimated Turnaround Times are estimated in business days and not guaranteed

Offer Good Through 9/30/2023

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by kobemagee29

Same with my order

Same here. Had one sail through and the other is stalled in qa2. Both sent and entered at same time and one arrived today.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by RTR6

September Grading Specials listed

https://www.psacard.com/specials

First listed is 2000-2023 NFL

PSA Collectors Club NFL Special

$15.99 per Card
10-Card Minimum
$300 Maximum Declared Value per Card
2000-Present, Pro Football Cards Only
50 Business Day Estimated Turnaround Time
Estimated Turnaround Times are estimated in business days and not guaranteed

Offer Good Through 9/30/2023

What does Pro Football Cards mean?

Does anything NFL licensed count? Panini Luminance/Draft Picks Products are College themed but NFL licensed so Pro?

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by prospectorgems

At least your orders made it to QA2 stage. I had a smaller modern order sit in Research & ID for over a month before moving into the grading stage. Zero reason for modern cards to sit in R&ID for that long. Of course, also zero reason the orders need to sit in QA2 that long either.

Or in grading for over 1 month. There is either an issue or they are intentionally slowing down.

[cardhunting]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Or in grading for over 1 month. There is either an issue or they are intentionally slowing down.

My bet is summer vacations...


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[robdrobd77]

My 56 card PSA 90s order just popped. They received it on June 15th. 99% of it was 1990, 1991 football and basketball (30 of which were Jordans). As a precursor let me say that every card I sent I have many copies of, and sent what I believed to be the gems of the gems from the lot. Results

10 = 0 (I’m absolutely floored by this. I sent 15 copies of the Barcelona Triple Pane Olympic cards. Again, out of the 45 copies I had that were all pack/case fresh. One of them got a “3”. Now, I’ve read PSA’s description of a “3” and I don’t think any card pulled from a pack and put in a penny sleeve qualifies. Especially one pulled from a sealed case/box/pack from 1991! I also through in a couple Judge rookies that I knew weren’t 10s, but at worst 7/8. One of them got a “3” as well.

9 = 34
8 = 14
7 = 3
5 = 2
3 = 2

One minimum size requirement. (Again, laughable considering came from the same pack/box as other cards in my lot.)

My order sat at PSA for months. Once it hit grading, it flew through the final steps in days. Now I now why. I know everyone that gets their cards graded lower than expected seems jaded, but I would strongly suggest against grading pop control cards (Jordans) or anything other than ultra modern. Hold my cards for two months, then graded them and quality checked all of them in a day so you can pump out another special. Turned my $1000 grading fees into $56 worth of coasters. PSA should do a Vegas show opening for David Copperfield.


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[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by robdrobd77

My 56 card PSA 90s order just popped. They received it on June 15th. 99% of it was 1990, 1991 football and basketball (30 of which were Jordans). As a precursor let me say that every card I sent I have many copies of, and sent what I believed to be the gems of the gems from the lot. Results

10 = 0 (I’m absolutely floored by this. I sent 15 copies of the Barcelona Triple Pane Olympic cards. Again, out of the 45 copies I had that were all pack/case fresh. One of them got a “3”. Now, I’ve read PSA’s description of a “3” and I don’t think any card pulled from a pack and put in a penny sleeve qualifies. Especially one pulled from a sealed case/box/pack from 1991! I also through in a couple Judge rookies that I knew weren’t 10s, but at worst 7/8. One of them got a “3” as well.

9 = 34
8 = 14
7 = 3
5 = 2
3 = 2

One minimum size requirement. (Again, laughable considering came from the same pack/box as other cards in my lot.)

My order sat at PSA for months. Once it hit grading, it flew through the final steps in days. Now I now why. I know everyone that gets their cards graded lower than expected seems jaded, but I would strongly suggest against grading pop control cards (Jordans) or anything other than ultra modern. Hold my cards for two months, then graded them and quality checked all of them in a day so you can pump out another special. Turned my $1000 grading fees into $56 worth of coasters. PSA should do a Vegas show opening for David Copperfield.


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I am beginning to think either something amiss is afoot or PSA is shooting themselves in the foot with this shift to insanely harsh grading results. Collectors will eventually stop submitting to them if they feel like they’re not getting a fair shake. No perceived premium is worth getting a card graded 2 grades below what it should be

[Cards and 401K]

Sounds like they are still damaging cards...I am not going to suggest any switcharoo scenarios.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by robdrobd77

My 56 card PSA 90s order just popped. They received it on June 15th. 99% of it was 1990, 1991 football and basketball (30 of which were Jordans). As a precursor let me say that every card I sent I have many copies of, and sent what I believed to be the gems of the gems from the lot. Results

10 = 0 (I’m absolutely floored by this. I sent 15 copies of the Barcelona Triple Pane Olympic cards. Again, out of the 45 copies I had that were all pack/case fresh. One of them got a “3”. Now, I’ve read PSA’s description of a “3” and I don’t think any card pulled from a pack and put in a penny sleeve qualifies. Especially one pulled from a sealed case/box/pack from 1991! I also through in a couple Judge rookies that I knew weren’t 10s, but at worst 7/8. One of them got a “3” as well.

9 = 34
8 = 14
7 = 3
5 = 2
3 = 2

One minimum size requirement. (Again, laughable considering came from the same pack/box as other cards in my lot.)

My order sat at PSA for months. Once it hit grading, it flew through the final steps in days. Now I now why. I know everyone that gets their cards graded lower than expected seems jaded, but I would strongly suggest against grading pop control cards (Jordans) or anything other than ultra modern. Hold my cards for two months, then graded them and quality checked all of them in a day so you can pump out another special. Turned my $1000 grading fees into $56 worth of coasters. PSA should do a Vegas show opening for David Copperfield.


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What's a Barcelona Triple Pane?

[xxrodzylla]

Order Type: 15$ Bulk (90s+ special)
# of cards: 39 Football/Basketball/Baseball mix
Order shipped: 07/17/2023
Order received per PSA: 07/19/2023
Entered Research & ID: 08/05/2023
Grading: 08/14/2023
Assembly: 8/24/23
QA1: 8/25/23
QA2:8/29/23
Grades: 8/31/23
Shipped:

Movement not vaulted

[imbluestreak23]

Just pathetic bro

Order Type: Bulk Value - $15
# of cards: 91
Order received per USPS (if possible): 6/3/23
Order received per PSA: Order Marked Received 6/6/23, Research 6/22/23, Grading ?, Assembly?, QA1 since July
Order Popped: TBD

Order Type: Bulk Value - $19
# of cards: 117
Order received per USPS (if possible): 7/5/23
Order received per PSA: Order Marked Received 7/5/23, Research 7/21/23, Grading been here for weeks
Order Popped: TBD

[cardhunting]

Not vaulting

Order Type: Super Express
# of cards: 1
Delivered (USPS): 8/28/23
Arrived (PSA): 8/29/23
Entered: 8/30/23
Research/ID: 8/30/23
Grading: 8/30/23
Assembly: 8/31
QA1: 8/31
QA2: 8/31
Grades:
Shipped:

Order Type: Regular (Dual Card/Auto)
# of cards: 4
Delivered (USPS): 8/28/23
Arrived (PSA): 8/29/23
Entered: 8/30/23
Research/ID: 8/30/23
Grading: 8/31
Assembly:
QA1:
QA2:
Grades:
Shipped:

Order Type: Value Plus
# of cards: 11
Delivered (USPS): 8/28/23
Arrived (PSA): 8/29/23
Entered: 8/30/23
Research/ID: 8/30/23
Grading: 8/30/23
Assembly:
QA1:
QA2:
Grades:
Shipped:


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[robdrobd77]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

What's a Barcelona Triple Pane?

It’s mostly a name I made up in the post. It’s the Olympic team cards that formed a three card panoramic of the 92 Olympic squad.


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[robdrobd77]

Originally Posted by robdrobd77

It’s mostly a name I made up in the post. It’s the Olympic team cards that formed a three card panoramic of the 92 Olympic squad.


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I was hoping to get all three cards in a Gem after carefully scrutinizing the 45 that I had. After PSA got done with them, I don’t even have a Mint set.


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[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by robdrobd77

I was hoping to get all three cards in a Gem after carefully scrutinizing the 45 that I had. After PSA got done with them, I don’t even have a Mint set.


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I don’t mean anything by this, genuinely curious: have you graded at PSA before?

[prospectorgems]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Or in grading for over 1 month. There is either an issue or they are intentionally slowing down.

Yes, agreed. I am sure PSA will never be honest about what is going on as they have never been transparent on what they are doing. If they could just report with a valid excuse of slowdown (many employees laid off, technical difficulties, testing new methods, etc) I am sure many people would be understanding.

[robdrobd77]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I don’t mean anything by this, genuinely curious: have you graded at PSA before?

Valid question. Answer is …Yep. I, like many, started sending some cards during the end of lockdown to mostly preserve my PC collection, but have been collecting since 1983. I started with two 20 cards subs. One I did through a popular online submission company, the other I did myself. My Gem rate was higher, so I stopped using them. Since then I have sent 478 cards to PSA, almost all from 1975-1990. I have also sent about 250 cards to SGC. My gem rate at PSA is about 43%. However, that is including a big 0% from this last order. I truly believe they have a very skewed approach when grading older cards now. “No way this can be a 10, it’s from 1986 Topps Football, and that’s nearly impossible with that set. Slap an “8” on it and move on.”

After a lot of reading I also think the evidence is overwhelming that they grade Star/HOF cards differently and with more scrutiny. My glaring example of this is 1984 Donruss. I sent the entire Yankees team set, from a mint, sealed brick set to PSA. Only ONE card wasn’t Mint or Higher..gotta a guess as to which one? I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t Roy Smalley

Now, here’s the flip side. My gem rate is terrible at SGC, but I think it’s because they actually grade the cards instead of just plowing through inventory to get to the next special. However, if you send a dozen pack fresh Roy Smalleys to SGC, none of them will come back as a “mystery” 3,4,or 5. Most, if not all, will be 9,9.5,10.

Soooo, after dozens of spreadsheets and tons of calculations, I’ve come to the conclusion that even though PSA values are higher, SGC might be the better option economically as well. Why? Quite simple really. If you’re card doesn’t Gem, it will most likely be mint or higher which in the card era I’m sending, gets your money back on resale or looks great in a PC. If you’re PSA card doesn’t Gem, it could get anywhere from a mind blowing “3” to a “9”. The 9s will break you even, but most cards lower than that are now expensive coasters in your Man Cave.

Sorry for the long response, but others sending “older” cards to PSA have to be seeing this, right?


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[TXRunner]

Originally Posted by robdrobd77

Valid question. Answer is …Yep. I, like many, started sending some cards during the end of lockdown to mostly preserve my PC collection, but have been collecting since 1983. I started with two 20 cards subs. One I did through a popular online submission company, the other I did myself. My Gem rate was higher, so I stopped using them. Since then I have sent 478 cards to PSA, almost all from 1975-1990. I have also sent about 250 cards to SGC. My gem rate at PSA is about 43%. However, that is including a big 0% from this last order. I truly believe they have a very skewed approach when grading older cards now. “No way this can be a 10, it’s from 1986 Topps Football, and that’s nearly impossible with that set. Slap an “8” on it and move on.”

After a lot of reading I also think the evidence is overwhelming that they grade Star/HOF cards differently and with more scrutiny. My glaring example of this is 1984 Donruss. I sent the entire Yankees team set, from a mint, sealed brick set to PSA. Only ONE card wasn’t Mint or Higher..gotta a guess as to which one? I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t Roy Smalley

Now, here’s the flip side. My gem rate is terrible at SGC, but I think it’s because they actually grade the cards instead of just plowing through inventory to get to the next special. However, if you send a dozen pack fresh Roy Smalleys to SGC, none of them will come back as a “mystery” 3,4,or 5. Most, if not all, will be 9,9.5,10.

Soooo, after dozens of spreadsheets and tons of calculations, I’ve come to the conclusion that even though PSA values are higher, SGC might be the better option economically as well. Why? Quite simple really. If you’re card doesn’t Gem, it will most likely be mint or higher which in the card era I’m sending, gets your money back on resale or looks great in a PC. If you’re PSA card doesn’t Gem, it could get anywhere from a mind blowing “3” to a “9”. The 9s will break you even, but most cards lower than that are now expensive coasters in your Man Cave.

Sorry for the long response, but others sending “older” cards to PSA have to be seeing this, right?


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I have a stack of cards set aside to pre-screen and send to PSA. About half sports half Pokemon. I think I may switch the sports to SCG and just send the Pokemon. It seems like PSA will still gem Pokemon at a high rate, but sports is getting picked apart right now.

I do like SCG for vintage. That is all I have used them for so far. But I started picking up a bunch of Topps Chrome autos that I am going to send to them for their $9 deal. I think I would use them more for regular submissions if their cost came down. It's hard to spend $22+ a card knowing that PSA is a little cheaper and if somehow you actually get 9's or 10's the return is much better. I think if SGC was smart right now, they would take advantage of the sour taste that PSA is giving people. Lower your prices to just below PSA (in that $15-18 range). I think people would be tempted to use them for price and the quick turn around if they did that.

I also have a stack set aside for CGC. I have a membership that I have never used and it expires at the end of the year. Figured I would try them out and see how it goes with them. This stack is combo sports and Pokemon. I put in some of the same cards I have in the PSA stack. I want to do a comparison of time vs cost vs return. The similar cards from each stack I am going to try to sell just to compare. But I do like the CGC slabs, the $10 and change cost of grading, and the quick turnaround.

[MJGOAT23]

If a card is deemed altered or fake there is no charge, correct? Or just if it is a fake? But for packs they charge if it is deemed tampered. I assume that is because BBCE is doing the authentication and they need to be paid regardless.

[cardhunting]

Not vaulting

Order Type: Super Express
# of cards: 1
Delivered (USPS): 8/28/23
Arrived (PSA): 8/29/23
Entered: 8/30/23
Research/ID: 8/30/23
Grading: 8/30/23
Assembly: 8/31
QA1: 8/31
QA2: 8/31
Grades: 9/1
Shipped: 9/1

Order Type: Regular (Dual Card/Auto)
# of cards: 4
Delivered (USPS): 8/28/23
Arrived (PSA): 8/29/23
Entered: 8/30/23
Research/ID: 8/30/23
Grading: 8/31
Assembly:
QA1:
QA2:
Grades:
Shipped:

Order Type: Value Plus
# of cards: 11
Delivered (USPS): 8/28/23
Arrived (PSA): 8/29/23
Entered: 8/30/23
Research/ID: 8/30/23
Grading: 8/30/23
Assembly:
QA1:
QA2:
Grades:
Shipped:


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[Joshi City]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

Order Type: Value Plus
Order delivered: 8/7/2023
Order received per PSA: 8/8/2023
Research & ID: 8/9/2023
Grading: 8/24/2023

I have a feeling this one is not going to meet its 20 day estimate but at least it finally got out of Research and ID.

They heard me and just mashed it through the next few steps.

Order Type: Value Plus (not vaulting)
Order delivered: 8/7/23
Order received per PSA: 8/8/23
Research & ID: 8/9/23
Grading: 8/24/23
Assembly: 8/29/23
QA1: 8/30/23
QA2: 8/31/23
Popped:
Shipped:

If it gets out of QA1 on Monday or Tuesday it will be close enough to the 20 day estimate.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by robdrobd77

Valid question. Answer is …Yep. I, like many, started sending some cards during the end of lockdown to mostly preserve my PC collection, but have been collecting since 1983. I started with two 20 cards subs. One I did through a popular online submission company, the other I did myself. My Gem rate was higher, so I stopped using them. Since then I have sent 478 cards to PSA, almost all from 1975-1990. I have also sent about 250 cards to SGC. My gem rate at PSA is about 43%. However, that is including a big 0% from this last order. I truly believe they have a very skewed approach when grading older cards now. “No way this can be a 10, it’s from 1986 Topps Football, and that’s nearly impossible with that set. Slap an “8” on it and move on.”

After a lot of reading I also think the evidence is overwhelming that they grade Star/HOF cards differently and with more scrutiny. My glaring example of this is 1984 Donruss. I sent the entire Yankees team set, from a mint, sealed brick set to PSA. Only ONE card wasn’t Mint or Higher..gotta a guess as to which one? I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t Roy Smalley

Now, here’s the flip side. My gem rate is terrible at SGC, but I think it’s because they actually grade the cards instead of just plowing through inventory to get to the next special. However, if you send a dozen pack fresh Roy Smalleys to SGC, none of them will come back as a “mystery” 3,4,or 5. Most, if not all, will be 9,9.5,10.

Soooo, after dozens of spreadsheets and tons of calculations, I’ve come to the conclusion that even though PSA values are higher, SGC might be the better option economically as well. Why? Quite simple really. If you’re card doesn’t Gem, it will most likely be mint or higher which in the card era I’m sending, gets your money back on resale or looks great in a PC. If you’re PSA card doesn’t Gem, it could get anywhere from a mind blowing “3” to a “9”. The 9s will break you even, but most cards lower than that are now expensive coasters in your Man Cave.

Sorry for the long response, but others sending “older” cards to PSA have to be seeing this, right?


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No offense, but you sound incredibly naive when it comes to cards and grading.

I would say you have almost everything backwards.

The likelihood of your receiving higher grades for these sets from SGC is because they don't know how to grade cards all that well and just slap numbers on them. You already experienced this same thing from CSG in your Jordan thread:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=26

You've then already made a thread right before this PSA submission that stated you were going to move all of your cards from PSA to SGC. So I don't understand this submission.

Not to mention, nothing you are saying here or your order is adding up:
All of your posts on the order continued to state that it was for 58 cards. Now your most recent one states that it was 56 cards?

Also you state that the 56 card order was "99% 1990, 1991 football and basketball" , but at the same time "I also through in a couple Judge rookies that I knew weren’t 10s, but at worst 7/8. One of them got a “3” as well."

It just seems you are very confused about grading and what to expect to be honest. I can take at face value you have all of these spreadsheets and calculations, but it's kinda hard to when you write the things that you have. So you mean to tell me you know that you have an overall 43% gem rate, but also refer to a 56 card order as being 99% of a certain type of card, though you "through in a couple of Judge"? Tell me you don't understand percentages without telling me.

All in all you seem to just have really unrealistic expectations, and you're probably better off sending off to SGC. They did get quite a following for handing out grades and not looking cards over. For the cards you are submitting that are very tough and take a sharper eye and hobby knowledge, you'll definitely be happier with them getting your higher grades.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by robdrobd77

Valid question. Answer is …Yep. I, like many, started sending some cards during the end of lockdown to mostly preserve my PC collection, but have been collecting since 1983. I started with two 20 cards subs. One I did through a popular online submission company, the other I did myself. My Gem rate was higher, so I stopped using them. Since then I have sent 478 cards to PSA, almost all from 1975-1990. I have also sent about 250 cards to SGC. My gem rate at PSA is about 43%. However, that is including a big 0% from this last order. I truly believe they have a very skewed approach when grading older cards now. “No way this can be a 10, it’s from 1986 Topps Football, and that’s nearly impossible with that set. Slap an “8” on it and move on.”

After a lot of reading I also think the evidence is overwhelming that they grade Star/HOF cards differently and with more scrutiny. My glaring example of this is 1984 Donruss. I sent the entire Yankees team set, from a mint, sealed brick set to PSA. Only ONE card wasn’t Mint or Higher..gotta a guess as to which one? I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t Roy Smalley

Now, here’s the flip side. My gem rate is terrible at SGC, but I think it’s because they actually grade the cards instead of just plowing through inventory to get to the next special. However, if you send a dozen pack fresh Roy Smalleys to SGC, none of them will come back as a “mystery” 3,4,or 5. Most, if not all, will be 9,9.5,10.

Soooo, after dozens of spreadsheets and tons of calculations, I’ve come to the conclusion that even though PSA values are higher, SGC might be the better option economically as well. Why? Quite simple really. If you’re card doesn’t Gem, it will most likely be mint or higher which in the card era I’m sending, gets your money back on resale or looks great in a PC. If you’re PSA card doesn’t Gem, it could get anywhere from a mind blowing “3” to a “9”. The 9s will break you even, but most cards lower than that are now expensive coasters in your Man Cave.

Sorry for the long response, but others sending “older” cards to PSA have to be seeing this, right?


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Great write up. I also am in the same thinking now