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Old 06-04-2019, 01:05 PM   #1926
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Joe did offer to send dan a picture of the 300-500 raw gallery tigers on his desk at home to show what he sorts through, but who wants to see that? Why let facts get in the way of a good story?
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When did he "acquire" those Tigers. Joe has previously stated emphatically that he will not spend the time to post pictures of his "stacks of 9.5" that didnt make BL, but will gladly share 300-500 Tiger Woods cards conveniently after the BODA singles out those ones as questionable??
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:06 PM   #1927
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I do not want to muddy the waters and I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I have 3 pages of submissions on my grading orders. Pages 1, 2, 3. I did not realize when I click on page 2, that it brings in almost all of the orders from page 1, and then on page 3, so it does the same thing. So, I just started counting lines and came up with the 60 orders but then when you asked for screenshots I went back and looked and it took me a minute to figure what was going on. You were right, I think I only have about 25 submissions. Totally my fault.
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:08 PM   #1928
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Fair enough. Thank you
You are welcome. I have nothing to hide and will gladly answer any questions to anyone, and admit when I screw up. Thanks!
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:08 PM   #1929
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That is why I was asking Dan. He was the one that linked the Tiger Woods cards to Joe but they didn't popup in the results that he got from Joe's account.

Their "value" isn't as important as the possible reasons for them, not to be on the list of items that were shared.
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Dude, that's fine. I'm not questioning your credibility, but something just doesn't make sense. You're the only one that has talked to Brian Gray and Joe on the phone, and then we wait for these huge results but all we get is partial. It's just weird. Then Brian is on here just spouting off like everything's fine, and you're the guy in the middle with information you're not providing.

What were your specific instructions from Joe? Just Black Labels? GREAT. SHOW US WHICH BLACK LABELS HE RECEIVED ON HIS SAME DAY ORDERS AND 2 DAY ORDERS. That will help us.

Ok, first I know for a fact that I checked every order in that account. No Tiger Woods cards. None. Is that a Beckett glitch? Someone on the inside of Beckett scrubbing Joe's account? Joe have another account? I don't have any idea.

Second, I don't know how this helps given the complete (again, for those who aren't reading closely, complete meaning in "what was found in Joe's provided BGS account") but these are the Black Labels from the two orders:


11014560 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Juan Soto RC
11014562 Baseball 2017 Bowman Chrome Draft Royce Lewis
11014563 Baseball 2018 Topps Walmart Holiday Snowflake Ronald Acuna Jr. RC
11014565 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update An International Affair Shohei Ohtani
11014567 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Walker Buehler RC
11014568 Baseball 2013 Bowman Chrome Draft Manny Machado RC
11014570 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Shohei Ohtani RD
11014571 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Juan Soto RD
11014573 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Mookie Betts
11014575 Baseball 2018 Topps Update An International Affair Shohei Ohtani
11014577 Baseball 2018 Topps Walmart Holiday Snowflake Shohei Ohtani RC
11014580 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Mike Trout
11084358 Basketball 2018-19 Panini Prizm Prizms Silver Josh Okogie
11084370 Basketball 2018-19 Hoops Luka Doncic RC
11084378 Baseball 2018 Bowman's Best Refractors Ronald Acuna Jr.
11084380 Baseball 2018 Bowman's Best Refractors Mike Trout
11084382 Baseball 2018 Bowman's Best Mookie Betts
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:09 PM   #1930
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Dude, that's fine. I'm not questioning your credibility, but something just doesn't make sense. You're the only one that has talked to Brian Gray and Joe on the phone, and then we wait for these huge results but all we get is partial. It's just weird. Then Brian is on here just spouting off like everything's fine, and you're the guy in the middle with information you're not providing.

What were your specific instructions from Joe? Just Black Labels? GREAT. SHOW US WHICH BLACK LABELS HE RECEIVED ON HIS SAME DAY ORDERS AND 2 DAY ORDERS. That will help us.
Sorry to quote myself here, but am I wrong in my thinking that this information will help us? If he submitted a $.50 Mookie Betts for same day $60 grading, would that information be helpful to us here? Or if he submitted his Tiger Woods cards a day or two after the Masters and paid $60 to grade those $5.00 cards, wouldn't that mean something or am I on an island here...
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:10 PM   #1931
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Also, as BG said Joe did indeed offer me the photo of raw Tiger Gallery cards, but I did not consider it to be proof that would help his cause. And my goal wasn't to post photos, but to look through orders to find Black Labels.
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:10 PM   #1932
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Sorry to quote myself here, but am I wrong in my thinking that this information will help us? If he submitted a $.50 Mookie Betts for same day $60 grading, would that information be helpful to us here? Or if he submitted his Tiger Woods cards a day or two after the Masters and paid $60 to grade those $5.00 cards, wouldn't that mean something or am I on an island here...
Look above, you got your answer. You did seem to be the only one (loudly) asking for it.
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:12 PM   #1933
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Hahahahaha. My actual favorite part of this whole thread so far is after all this, BG actually quoted DaRitz a few posts back and agreed with him. It was another pitchfork mob post. I am actually dying over here.
I've said that I liked the guys who, in the first post, included the claims, but then also came with every conceivable answer to any question that could be asked. I would be curious if their first "theory" proved to be true, or if things went a different direction and went a lot deeper. I wonder if there was any value to doing all the research before just posting "This looks fishy..." I would suspect that there was value to doing the research first. Likewise, I strongly suspect value would have been added by doing more research here first.

Anyway, SuperDan and 312---- fall into that "do all the research first" category. Generally speaking, I think that's a better way to do it.

Granted, I also said that this choose-your-own-adventure method is more entertaining for everyone except Joe.
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:12 PM   #1934
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Ok, first I know for a fact that I checked every order in that account. No Tiger Woods cards. None. Is that a Beckett glitch? Someone on the inside of Beckett scrubbing Joe's account? Joe have another account? I don't have any idea.

Second, I don't know how this helps given the complete (again, for those who aren't reading closely, complete meaning in "what was found in Joe's provided BGS account") but these are the Black Labels from the two orders:


11014560 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Juan Soto RC
11014562 Baseball 2017 Bowman Chrome Draft Royce Lewis
11014563 Baseball 2018 Topps Walmart Holiday Snowflake Ronald Acuna Jr. RC
11014565 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update An International Affair Shohei Ohtani
11014567 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Walker Buehler RC
11014568 Baseball 2013 Bowman Chrome Draft Manny Machado RC
11014570 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Shohei Ohtani RD
11014571 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Juan Soto RD
11014573 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Mookie Betts
11014575 Baseball 2018 Topps Update An International Affair Shohei Ohtani
11014577 Baseball 2018 Topps Walmart Holiday Snowflake Shohei Ohtani RC
11014580 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Mike Trout
11084358 Basketball 2018-19 Panini Prizm Prizms Silver Josh Okogie
11084370 Basketball 2018-19 Hoops Luka Doncic RC
11084378 Baseball 2018 Bowman's Best Refractors Ronald Acuna Jr.
11084380 Baseball 2018 Bowman's Best Refractors Mike Trout
11084382 Baseball 2018 Bowman's Best Mookie Betts
Thank you!

I don't know baseball very well - These cost Joe $50 per card to grade same day (he drops them off then picks them up on the same day). Can any of you tell me if it would make sense for him to pay $50 for these cards? What do they sell for in 9.5 for example?

This is a serious questions. ARE ANY OF THESE CARDS WORTH MORE THAN $50 UNLESS THEY ARE IN A BLACK LABEL?
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:13 PM   #1935
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Anecdotally.... Seem like an awful lot of Bowman's Best black labels when that is one of the tougher series to get gem edges on. Much less pristine edges on. Anecdotally speaking of course.

But, at 14%, I really wonder why BG is being so snarky now? That percentage is ludicrous.
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:16 PM   #1936
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So right now on confirmed orders from his account we are looking at 14% BL and then a seemingly high pristine % that isn’t going to be shared ?

The group submissions and estimated 50 rejected cards for not meeting min grades seem Irrelevant to the current discussion. There are tons of orders not shown in his history and those two seem like convenient ones to pull out.

I still think it’s not a full blown conspiracy but someone being generous with their grades for a former coworker. The fact that former (and maybe current) employees can grade through Beckett seems like an issue considering the potential conflicts of interest. It would be nice to see Beckett update their policy on that considering the doubt this threads casts on their ability to be impartial.
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:16 PM   #1937
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Thank you!

I don't know baseball very well - These cost Joe $50 per card to grade same day (he drops them off then picks them up on the same day). Can any of you tell me if it would make sense for him to pay $50 for these cards? What do they sell for in 9.5 for example?

This is a serious questions. ARE ANY OF THESE CARDS WORTH MORE THAN $50 UNLESS THEY ARE IN A BLACK LABEL?
So what you are saying is how in the world would someone one day sub a base Mookie Betts from a pedestrian series unless they KNEW it would black label? Just to be clear?
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:18 PM   #1938
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So what you are saying is how in the world would someone one day sub a base Mookie Betts from a pedestrian series unless they KNEW it would black label? Just to be clear?
That's exactly what I'm saying..I'm looking up prices right now since no one has responded but it looks like most of these cards are $20 - $50 in BGS 9.5, so he would NOT have graded them unless he was GUARANTEED a black label.

PLEASE HELP ME OUT HERE PEOPLE...what am I missing???
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:20 PM   #1939
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11014560 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Juan Soto RC ($30 - $60)
11014562 Baseball 2017 Bowman Chrome Draft Royce Lewis ($20?) couldn't find any that were non refractors
11014563 Baseball 2018 Topps Walmart Holiday Snowflake Ronald Acuna Jr. RC
11014565 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update An International Affair Shohei Ohtani (9.5 on eBay for $29.99 obo)
11014567 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Walker Buehler RC (9.5 on eBay for $16.99??)
11014568 Baseball 2013 Bowman Chrome Draft Manny Machado RC (9.5 on eBay for $12.00?)
11014570 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Shohei Ohtani RD
11014571 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Juan Soto RD
11014573 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Mookie Betts
11014575 Baseball 2018 Topps Update An International Affair Shohei Ohtani
11014577 Baseball 2018 Topps Walmart Holiday Snowflake Shohei Ohtani RC
11014580 Baseball 2018 Topps Chrome Update Mike Trout
11084358 Basketball 2018-19 Panini Prizm Prizms Silver Josh Okogie
11084370 Basketball 2018-19 Hoops Luka Doncic RC
11084378 Baseball 2018 Bowman's Best Refractors Ronald Acuna Jr.
11084380 Baseball 2018 Bowman's Best Refractors Mike Trout
11084382 Baseball 2018 Bowman's Best Mookie Betts
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:21 PM   #1940
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When guys on this thread claim this "vast conspiracy yields $100,000's of dollars", their sensationalistic motives are on showcase when it is $10k worth of cards.

I, unlike the many here, will not be run over by a handful of internet tough guys. I have reviewed the information we have and have formulated my thoughts. No matter how hard some of you troll anyone who doesnt join the lynch mob, I am one guy who makes my own judgments and cannot be bought.

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Old 06-04-2019, 01:21 PM   #1941
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Thank you!

I don't know baseball very well - These cost Joe $50 per card to grade same day (he drops them off then picks them up on the same day). Can any of you tell me if it would make sense for him to pay $50 for these cards? What do they sell for in 9.5 for example?

This is a serious questions. ARE ANY OF THESE CARDS WORTH MORE THAN $50 UNLESS THEY ARE IN A BLACK LABEL?
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So what you are saying is how in the world would someone one day sub a base Mookie Betts from a pedestrian series unless they KNEW it would black label? Just to be clear?
Even if the Betts is in a black label, it may not worth $50.00.
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That's exactly what I'm saying..I'm looking up prices right now since no one has responded but it looks like most of these cards are $20 - $50 in BGS 9.5, so he would NOT have graded them unless he was GUARANTEED a black label.

PLEASE HELP ME OUT HERE PEOPLE...what am I missing???
He isn't paying what you think he is for the grading? Part of some special deal like what was alluded to earlier in the thread.
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:22 PM   #1943
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I don't know baseball very well - These cost Joe $50 per card to grade same day (he drops them off then picks them up on the same day). Can any of you tell me if it would make sense for him to pay $50 for these cards? What do they sell for in 9.5 for example?



This is a serious questions. ARE ANY OF THESE CARDS WORTH MORE THAN $50 UNLESS THEY ARE IN A BLACK LABEL?
Uh. No most of those are $1 box cards. Maybe he found a box of them under his bed, went out for drinks with his grader buddy and gave them to him for BL submission behind the grassy Nola.

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LOL, I just couldn't help myself! Just when I thought I was done reading this thread!
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Maybe doing a one day service let’s a person control the variable of which generous grader is available that day.
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Thank you!

I don't know baseball very well - These cost Joe $50 per card to grade same day (he drops them off then picks them up on the same day). Can any of you tell me if it would make sense for him to pay $50 for these cards? What do they sell for in 9.5 for example?

This is a serious questions. ARE ANY OF THESE CARDS WORTH MORE THAN $50 UNLESS THEY ARE IN A BLACK LABEL?
My assumption is same day grading would be used for an MJ rookie and cards like that.
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He isn't paying what you think he is for the grading? Part of some special deal like what was alluded to earlier in the thread.
Is he paying $5.00 per card for same day grading? I am trying to research as fast as I can, but these are all $30 or less in bags 9.5. Even if he paid $30 per card to get graded (FOR THE RECORD HE NEVER SAID HE GOT A DEAL ON CHEAP GRADING AND THESE ARE NOT BULK SUBMISSIONS) is there any way he sends these in if they are not guaranteed Black Labels?

THIS IS INSANITY PEOPLE.
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IMO, SuperDan is above reproach and did his best here to fill a vacuum intentionally left by Joe. Brian is not doing Joe any favors the way he comes across. And the missing data looks suspicious as hell, hard to believe Beckett has no record of submissions made in 2018. That was last year.
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My assumption is same day grading would be used for an MJ rookie and cards like that.
You don't run in to BGS for same day grading for a Royce whatever his name is chrome card or a $.50 Mookie Betts card? I don't know baseball, but I trust you.

I know basketball, and a Doncic Hoops rookie is a $1.00 card and a $30.00 card in 9.5. Is he spending $30 - $60 to grade these without expect a black label?
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Even if the Betts is in a black label, it may not worth $50.00.
Pssst... you think maybe they only cost him 50... on paper? Just a thought.
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