The Official Jayson Tatum Collectors Thread: Showoffs and Discussion... - Page 8

starvela · 11-02-2018, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Looking back on the history of Duke NBA players, Grant Hill, Kyrie, and Elton Brand are the only players to even scratch stardom in the league. Hoping Tatum can change that.

Grant Hill was the real deal...man what a great a player he was...but of course like many others, he got dealt with a bad hand!! Would have loved to have seen a prime/peak healthy Hill and T-Mac on those Magic teams!! That would have been such a fun team to watch!! Hate injuries!!

minnesotachill · 11-02-2018, 04:39 PM

Jaylen Brown prices seem to be down a lot since last season.

He plays for a storied franchise, very young and very talented like Tatum.

A lot of people were comparing him to a young Kawhi Leonard.

Now his prices are reflecting his lack of production on the court.

Unfortunately, Tatum's lack of production will eventually affect the prices and his cards have a lot of room to go down. He's got a lot higher expectations as well, when his NT RPAs sell for $10,000 opposed to Jaylens that sell for barely 2k

starvela · 11-02-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by minnesotachill

Jaylen Brown prices seem to be down a lot since last season.

He plays for a storied franchise, very young and very talented like Tatum.

A lot of people were comparing him to a young Kawhi Leonard.

Now his prices are reflecting his lack of production on the court.

Unfortunately, Tatum's lack of production will eventually affect the prices and his cards have a lot of room to go down. He's got a lot higher expectations as well, when his NT RPAs sell for $10,000 opposed to Jaylens that sell for barely 2k

That could happen of course, but remember the eye test I mentioned

In all seriousness, I did not and would have not invested anything in Jaylen, nothing...Never saw any potential or big time talent in that guy, just a good solid role player is all I ever saw in him...

Anish · 11-02-2018, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinKurant

Tatum is a downright stud. I don't own any of his cards because Boston is an equal opportunity employer. Everyone gets shots and they have a different leading scorer everynight. What does the hobby love? Scorers...that score points...a lot.

See Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Durant and Steph

Scorers, yes, but more so winners. That's what keeps Westbrook, Harden, T-Mac, etc from reaching that level.

I think guys like Booker and Mitchell will outscore Tatum but are not in such a great position to win.

And yeah, Tatum will become the first option at some point - whether it is next year or in 5 years. I am more conservative because of the amount of talent around him.

Anish · 11-02-2018, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by starvela

That could happen of course, but remember the eye test I mentioned

In all seriousness, I did not and would have not invested anything in Jaylen, nothing...Never saw any potential or big time talent in that guy, just a good solid role player is all I ever saw in him...

I agree...Brown cannot shoot. He's freakishly athletic and that's about it. Doesn't have the moves to create his own shot the way Tatum does either. Tatum is already the much better player despite being younger.

messier2 · 11-02-2018, 05:08 PM

Bottom line: if you are long term, you should be fine.

If you are a short-term flipper, good luck and enjoy the wild ride!

HP7163 · 11-02-2018, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Looking back on the history of Duke NBA players, Grant Hill, Kyrie, and Elton Brand are the only players to even scratch stardom in the league. Hoping Tatum can change that.

I beleive jay williams was gonna be that superstar type guy to get the duke nba stigma to change but unfortunately he loved to ride bikes and had a freak accident.. dude could do it all

dasiegel · 11-03-2018, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HP7163

I beleive jay williams was gonna be that superstar type guy to get the duke nba stigma to change but unfortunately he loved to ride bikes and had a freak accident.. dude could do it all

best college player i ever saw (was not a big fan until about 99')

Durantula · 11-09-2018, 12:40 AM

Wow. 4 pts in OT Game. He is hurting my fantasy team badly. His Immaculate RPA is down 2k.
Pretty disappointed by this dude!!! Hype is over.

Wolves4Life · 11-09-2018, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Durantula

Wow. 4 pts in OT Game. He is hurting my fantasy team badly. His Immaculate RPA is down 2k.
Pretty disappointed by this dude!!! Hype is over.

Durantula · 11-09-2018, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

I know, it’s only a few games and I will be patient with him. But the last games were pretty bad! Cs don’t really need Hayward!

messier2 · 11-09-2018, 07:57 AM

Hitting the second year wall...sell before it’s too late!!!

Kards · 11-09-2018, 08:03 AM

Donovan Mitchell looks like the clear front runner from the draft. Kyrie and Boston’s system will ultimate affect Tatum and we are already seeing that. Donovan Mitchell’s cards looke lie baragains right now...

Anish · 11-09-2018, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kards

Donovan Mitchell looks like the clear front runner from the draft. Kyrie and Boston’s system will ultimate affect Tatum and we are already seeing that. Donovan Mitchell’s cards looke lie baragains right now...

Tatum is 2 years younger. Mitchell is more polished, but Tatum has the higher ceiling.

He’s trying to add things to his game, so it’s no surprise he’s struggling. That’s part of development for any athlete.

dasiegel · 11-09-2018, 11:36 AM

Just hit a GEM From Downtown and Silver in a sub!

LeonfromNC · 11-09-2018, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anish

Tatum is 2 years younger. Mitchell is more polished, but Tatum has the higher ceiling.

He’s trying to add things to his game, so it’s no surprise he’s struggling. That’s part of development for any athlete.

I'll be honest, Mitchell hasn't improved much from last year either. Both have been a disappointment so far this early into the season...

Now De' Aaron Fox is a different story...

pejc300 · 11-09-2018, 01:29 PM

Tatum is so bad this year. Reading lots of articles on how his work with Kobe hasn't helped any. Settling for terrible shots; not getting to the rim. This is bad. I know people don't want to say the sky is falling and it's only year two and it's the Celtics, etc, but get real people. Games with 4 points, 6 points, 40% shooting. This is BAD. Haven't seen a 2nd year drop off like this in quite a while. Wonder if Blowout is still offering $90k for his RPA Logo Lol!

sigmachi · 11-09-2018, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LeonfromNC

I'll be honest, Mitchell hasn't improved much from last year either. Both have been a disappointment so far this early into the season...

Now De' Aaron Fox is a different story...

I don't really agree with your assessment of Mitchell. He's averaging 22.5 pts per game. In fact he's improved just about every category from last year to this year, the ones he hasn't they're just about the same. He has plenty he can improve on, but he's actually statistically been better this year.

Potgut · 11-09-2018, 02:00 PM

Ben Simmons (last year rookie or not) hasn't improved much if any at all this year. Lot's of people saying he was working on his jump shot this summer, telling me he was going to be unstoppable once he developed a jump shot and his rookie cards would be worth more than my car... fast forward now Ben Simmons is still Ben Simmons his rookie cards still worth than my car.

Anish · 11-09-2018, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

Tatum is so bad this year. Reading lots of articles on how his work with Kobe hasn't helped any. Settling for terrible shots; not getting to the rim. This is bad. I know people don't want to say the sky is falling and it's only year two and it's the Celtics, etc, but get real people. Games with 4 points, 6 points, 40% shooting. This is BAD. Haven't seen a 2nd year drop off like this in quite a while. Wonder if Blowout is still offering $90k for his RPA Logo Lol!

This is kind of silly. He still has better numbers than say, Giannis, at 20.

In order to get better at something, you have to try it in games. Tatum is trying things in games that he did not last year. To me, that's a sign of a player who wants to get better...and if he keeps trying he will. Meanwhile, every player has rough shooting stretches. I don't expect him to shoot threes like he did last year, but he'll probably settle at a higher clip than where he is now.

Nonetheless, his cards were probably overpriced and I'd be happy to see them become more affordable in the short term.

pejc300 · 11-09-2018, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Anish

This is kind of silly. He still has better numbers than say, Giannis, at 20.

In order to get better at something, you have to try it in games. Tatum is trying things in games that he did not last year. To me, that's a sign of a player who wants to get better...and if he keeps trying he will. Meanwhile, every player has rough shooting stretches. I don't expect him to shoot threes like he did last year, but he'll probably settle at a higher clip than where he is now.

Nonetheless, his cards were probably overpriced and I'd be happy to see them become more affordable in the short term.

I don't think it's silly. Giannis didn't have huge numbers and then drop down in subsequent years. He steadily climbed in every category. Having bad shooting stretches for a superstar doesn't usually include point totals of: 4, 15, 14, 12, 16, 6, 24, 7. He has scored 20 points 3 times this year. He's not a bust, he's hugely talented. But whatever he's trying to do right now; it' ain't working. If he wants to be like Kobe and settle for fadeaway off balance jumpers he should do so when he's 36, not 20. Get to the rim, for crying out loud.

Anish · 11-09-2018, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

I don't think it's silly. Giannis didn't have huge numbers and then drop down in subsequent years. He steadily climbed in every category. Having bad shooting stretches for a superstar doesn't usually include point totals of: 4, 15, 14, 12, 16, 6, 24, 7. He has scored 20 points 3 times this year. He's not a bust, he's hugely talented. But whatever he's trying to do right now; it' ain't working. If he wants to be like Kobe and settle for fadeaway off balance jumpers he should do so when he's 36, not 20. Get to the rim, for crying out loud.

He's not a superstar....And Tatum's numbers are actually slightly up in every category.
RBD 5 - 7.3
AST 1.6-2.6
PTS 13.9-14.6

And this is despite a lack of shooting luck. Is that not steady climbing?

It's a small sample size. Just like the playoffs were a small sample size.

pgisback · 11-09-2018, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Anish

He's not a superstar....And Tatum's numbers are actually slightly up in every category.
RBD 5 - 7.3
AST 1.6-2.6
PTS 13.9-14.6

And this is despite a lack of shooting luck. Is that not steady climbing?

It's a small sample size. Just like the playoffs were a small sample size.

Let's put it another way.

People expected far more than 14/7/2 with sub 40% shooting from the field. If you were expecting just a slight bump from his non-playoff numbers, then he's doing alright I guess. Otherwise, it's pretty bad considering the expectations.

DevinKurant · 11-09-2018, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Anish

He's not a superstar....And Tatum's numbers are actually slightly up in every category.
RBD 5 - 7.3
AST 1.6-2.6
PTS 13.9-14.6

Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat not more than 1 hour ago.

Sorry, slow day at the office. I won't do it again.

RogerGodahell · 11-09-2018, 03:01 PM

Im actually glad if the prices come down so i can buy more. They're ridiculously expensive right now. Im not a flipper on Tatum, he's my guy and that's my team. The Celtics are playing horribly as a team for the talent they have. They aren't meshing well together at all. They played better as a team when Kyrie and Hayward were both injured last year. Brad Stevens needs to play the starters more and not worry about the bench guys feelings and their minutes. Sounds harsh but they need to do something to get these guys in a rhythm. That's my latest opinion.

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RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	Im actually glad if the prices come down so i can buy more. They're ridiculously expensive right now. Im not a flipper on Tatum, he's my guy and that's my team. The Celtics are playing horribly as a team for the talent they have. They aren't meshing well together at all. They played better as a team when Kyrie and Hayward were both injured last year. Brad Stevens needs to play the starters more and not worry about the bench guys feelings and their minutes. Sounds harsh but they need to do something to get these guys in a rhythm. That's my latest opinion. Last edited by RogerGodahell; 11-09-2018 at 03:03 PM.

11-02-2018, 04:39 PM	#177
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,886	Jaylen Brown prices seem to be down a lot since last season. He plays for a storied franchise, very young and very talented like Tatum. A lot of people were comparing him to a young Kawhi Leonard. Now his prices are reflecting his lack of production on the court. Unfortunately, Tatum's lack of production will eventually affect the prices and his cards have a lot of room to go down. He's got a lot higher expectations as well, when his NT RPAs sell for $10,000 opposed to Jaylens that sell for barely 2k

11-02-2018, 05:08 PM	#181
messier2 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15,295	Bottom line: if you are long term, you should be fine. If you are a short-term flipper, good luck and enjoy the wild ride!

11-09-2018, 12:40 AM	#184
Durantula Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,666	Wow. 4 pts in OT Game. He is hurting my fantasy team badly. His Immaculate RPA is down 2k. Pretty disappointed by this dude!!! Hype is over.

11-09-2018, 07:57 AM	#187
messier2 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15,295	Hitting the second year wall...sell before it’s too late!!!

11-09-2018, 08:03 AM	#188
Kards Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 500	Donovan Mitchell looks like the clear front runner from the draft. Kyrie and Boston’s system will ultimate affect Tatum and we are already seeing that. Donovan Mitchell’s cards looke lie baragains right now...

11-09-2018, 01:29 PM	#192
pejc300 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,715	Tatum is so bad this year. Reading lots of articles on how his work with Kobe hasn't helped any. Settling for terrible shots; not getting to the rim. This is bad. I know people don't want to say the sky is falling and it's only year two and it's the Celtics, etc, but get real people. Games with 4 points, 6 points, 40% shooting. This is BAD. Haven't seen a 2nd year drop off like this in quite a while. Wonder if Blowout is still offering $90k for his RPA Logo Lol!

11-09-2018, 02:00 PM	#194
Potgut Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 138	Ben Simmons (last year rookie or not) hasn't improved much if any at all this year. Lot's of people saying he was working on his jump shot this summer, telling me he was going to be unstoppable once he developed a jump shot and his rookie cards would be worth more than my car... fast forward now Ben Simmons is still Ben Simmons his rookie cards still worth than my car.