2021 NFL Draft

[Boo]

If Chase is taken, I can see Miami trading down again (and still get Waddle or Smith).

[34JacktheRipper]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I would take him at #2 but I’m biased

I also get the Wilson hype so I don’t totally hate it. I get it.

Fields going 5th out of 5 QB’s (which sounds more and more likely) is crazy town to me

Ryan Day is not Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer has never prepared NFL QB’s. Can Day? I don’t know yet but I’m not holding Braxton Miller, JT Barrett, and Dwayne Haskins against Fields.

I hope he ends up in a good situation as long as it’s not something like the Steelers snagging him

We are on the same page my man. You're not biased. He's an absolute freak, and not to get political, but I personally think Fields going after Wilson and Jones signals that there is still a significant level of unconscious, if not conscious, racism amongst NFL decision makers. Because you can't objectively tell me either of them are better prospects than Fields based on college production.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by 34JacktheRipper

We are on the same page my man. You're not biased. He's an absolute freak, and not to get political, but I personally think Fields going after Wilson and Jones signals that there is still a significant level of unconscious, if not conscious, racism amongst NFL decision makers. Because you can't objectively tell me either of them are better prospects than Fields based on college production.

Hahahahahaha. This forum is hilarious. Race card has been played.

[lambeauleap87]

Originally Posted by btmcrushers

This is what they should do..

Falcons Trade 4 to Denver for 9, 40 and 114 + future 2nd
Falcons Trade 9 to New England for 15, 46, 120 + future 2nd

Falcons end up with:

15 - BDPA
35 - RB (Harris or Etienne)
40 - BDPA
46 - BDPA
68
108
114
120
148
182
183
187
219

I know it's all hypothetical, but those trades would be absolutely dreadful value for the teams dealing with the Falcons. Even more so with the added value on the '22 picks.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by 34JacktheRipper

We are on the same page my man. You're not biased. He's an absolute freak, and not to get political, but I personally think Fields going after Wilson and Jones signals that there is still a significant level of unconscious, if not conscious, racism amongst NFL decision makers. Because you can't objectively tell me either of them are better prospects than Fields based on college production.

I'm just going to ignore the race part, because we all know how stupid it is.

Last year's..

TD leaders:
1. Trask
2. Jones.
3. Wilson
15. Fields (would be tied with Wilson with same number of games at same rate)

Yards:
1. Jones
2. Trask
3. Wilson
36. Fields (would not be that close to any of them, even with same rate at same number of games)

Rating:
1. Jones
2. Wilson
10. Fields

[lambeauleap87]

Originally Posted by rman112

I'm just going to ignore the race part, because we all know how stupid it is.

Last year's..

TD leaders:
1. Trask
2. Jones.
3. Wilson
15. Fields (would be tied with Wilson with same number of games at same rate)

Yards:
1. Jones
2. Trask
3. Wilson
36. Fields (would not be that close to any of them, even with same rate at same number of games)

Rating:
1. Jones
2. Wilson
10. Fields

I know this comment was relative to the "production" comment, but I think it's also worth noting how (relatively) worthless scouting college stats is in relation to prospect status or pro success.

I'll tell you what, though, if you look at the year-by-year or career passing leaders - there are some real throwbacks on those lists. Did not expect to think about Timmy Chang, Kellen Moore, or Graham Harrell today.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Hahahahahaha. This forum is hilarious. Race card has been played.

It didn't start here. ESPN's been touting this nonsense for a month and preparing so badly for Fields to "fall" so they can cry racism is systemic in the NFL.

[JeremyNick]

Who was the BO race baiter than turned every comment about Lamar Jackson into a discussion on reparations?

His name is escaping me.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

I know this comment was relative to the "production" comment, but I think it's also worth noting how (relatively) worthless scouting college stats is in relation to prospect status or pro success.

I'll tell you what, though, if you look at the year-by-year or career passing leaders - there are some real throwbacks on those lists. Did not expect to think about Timmy Chang, Kellen Moore, or Graham Harrell today.

Those Hawaii offenses were nuts. Remember Colt Brennan?

[PSA2Pac]

Wake me up when the #9 pick is on the clock.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Who was the BO race baiter than turned every comment about Lamar Jackson into a discussion on reparations?

His name is escaping me.

LoveItCards

[34JacktheRipper]

Originally Posted by rman112

I'm just going to ignore the race part, because we all know how stupid it is.

Last year's..

TD leaders:
1. Trask
2. Jones.
3. Wilson
15. Fields (would be tied with Wilson with same number of games at same rate)

Yards:
1. Jones
2. Trask
3. Wilson
36. Fields (would not be that close to any of them, even with same rate at same number of games)

Rating:
1. Jones
2. Wilson
10. Fields

Sure now go and pull numbers from two years ago for these guys and let me know what you find.


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[KBA]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

I know it's all hypothetical, but those trades would be absolutely dreadful value for the teams dealing with the Falcons. Even more so with the added value on the '22 picks.

I thought the same initially, but if the teams trading up are coming up for a QB, you usually pay some QB tax and the trade chart goes out the window.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by 34JacktheRipper

Sure now go and pull numbers from two years ago for these guys and let me know what you find.


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I'm going to need a crash course on the racism involved for Trey Lance being half white and half black, having one season of good play in 1-AA, not playing last year, and going #3 to the Niners. Go.

[rman112]

I looked at the 2019 stats.

Anthony Gordon - #2 pick after Burrow?

[34JacktheRipper]

Originally Posted by rman112

I'm going to need a crash course on the racism involved for Trey Lance being half white and half black, having one season of good play in 1-AA, not playing last year, and going #3 to the Niners. Go.

I said Fields. Never said anything about Lance. I can’t objectively say Lance is a better prospect than Jones or Wilson. Thanks


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[rman112]

Originally Posted by 34JacktheRipper

I said Fields. Never said anything about Lance. I can’t objectively say Lance is a better prospect than Jones or Wilson. Thanks


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It's weird that leaguewide racism is only for one quarterback. That's pretty interesting.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rman112

It's weird that leaguewide racism is only for one quarterback. That's pretty interesting.

[Siberian13]

Where’s gobullz when you need him?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Where’s gobullz when you need him?

Bingo

[tclausen]

If 1 of the top 5 QB's falls to 14 I really hope the Vikings take him....especially if it is Fields!! Never hurts to invest in a QB for the future.

[IlliniBear]

Originally Posted by Boo

Way to go out on a limb

I think you're way too confident in Pitts going #4. Atlanta needs to sell the fact they are willing to keep the pick. Chase Claypool went in the second round last year with better measurables than Pitts. Tight ends often take years to develop and are difficult to project, the top tight ends Kelce, Kittle, Gronkowski were drafted in the second, third and fourth rounds. A lot of tight ends aren't good until their second contract.

Also, I never said I was going out on a limb. If I were going to I'd say I'd bet a tight end doesn't go #4 overall. I think the Falcons move the pick to a team wanting a QB or if they get lowballed to a team wanting to jump the Bengals for Sewell.

[kyle1707]

I really enjoy the draft and I also collect qb’s as many do


Why does everyone say San Fran traded so much there is no way they are taking Jones ?

Because fields and lance can run faster ? It is an extra weapon. I agree 100%

But why are they fine to take at #3? the best thrower of the ball right now is Jones

I agree that guys like Allen Lawrence Herbert Mahomes Watson have the edge over a statue

I would bet a lot we are not done with statue qbs. And why not Mac Jones ...

Out of all of these qb’s the he one that worries me the most is Zach Wilson

Going to the jets ugh. If he was going to San Fran I would say he will be a star

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by IlliniBear

I think you're way too confident in Pitts going #4. Atlanta needs to sell the fact they are willing to keep the pick. Chase Claypool went in the second round last year with better measurables than Pitts. Tight ends often take years to develop and are difficult to project, the top tight ends Kelce, Kittle, Gronkowski were drafted in the second, third and fourth rounds. A lot of tight ends aren't good until their second contract.

Also, I never said I was going out on a limb. If I were going to I'd say I'd bet a tight end doesn't go #4 overall. I think the Falcons move the pick to a team wanting a QB or if they get lowballed to a team wanting to jump the Bengals for Sewell.

Isn’t claypool a WR? That’s a little different. Also yes those guys are great but it’s very different circumstances. Gronk and Kelce were drafted when TEs weren’t as valuable as they were now. And Kittle came out of nowhere, he was mainly unknown. You can’t bet on drafting an unknown TE and expecting him to be Kittle.

Pitts is a monster, measurables are one thing but Pitts production is incredible. He’s insanely talented.

And he’s also talking about the fact you were talking about Wilson at 2. There are no rumors, it’s a foregone conclusion that Wilson is going 2

[IlliniBear]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

I know this comment was relative to the "production" comment, but I think it's also worth noting how (relatively) worthless scouting college stats is in relation to prospect status or pro success.

I'll tell you what, though, if you look at the year-by-year or career passing leaders - there are some real throwbacks on those lists. Did not expect to think about Timmy Chang, Kellen Moore, or Graham Harrell today.

Stats matter a lot. Obviously there are system guys with big numbers who aren't NFL prospects but virtually all great NFL QBs were great college QBs.