2021 NBA Draft Discussion

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by brothertona

Yeah I've heard multiple people say they prefer Mobley to Cade. Cade is still going #1 but there are still warts.

I think i'm in the Mobley over Cade camp. I still think Cade goes first regardless of his short comings. Way too much potential to ignore.

I'll be interested to see what Houston does. It makes sense to take Mobley, but Green is just so enticing. The kid is a bucket pure and simple.

Also there's a lot of fresh Scottie Barnes hype - he won't go 1 or 2. But i could see Cleveland taking that swing if Green is off the board. He would fit their needs.

And if that happens both Toronto and Orlando are jumping for joy.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by smalltown

I think i'm in the Mobley over Cade camp. I still think Cade goes first regardless of his short comings. Way too much potential to ignore.

I'll be interested to see what Houston does. It makes sense to take Mobley, but Green is just so enticing. The kid is a bucket pure and simple.

Also there's a lot of fresh Scottie Barnes hype - he won't go 1 or 2. But i could see Cleveland taking that swing if Green is off the board. He would fit their needs.

And if that happens both Toronto and Orlando are jumping for joy.

If the Cavs don't go Green or Mobley I'll be livid.

Green is my #1 choice. Pair him with Garland. Then you have the draft's best pure scorer paired with a good, young distributor who can score himself.

That's the roster you then build around.

I feel like for the first time since LeBron left that the rebuild can start right if we don't mess this up.

[Erikthredd]

Originally Posted by smalltown

He’s not as good going to the rim. That’s probably his biggest weakness.

To be fair, that was Tatum’s weakness too during his rookie season because of how thin he was. Year two he bulked up a bit and worked on getting to the hoop but still wasn’t a great finisher. By year three that original weakness became one of his biggest strengths.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by tjforce

If the Cavs don't go Green or Mobley I'll be livid.

Green is my #1 choice. Pair him with Garland. Then you have the draft's best pure scorer paired with a good, young distributor who can score himself.

That's the roster you then build around.

I feel like for the first time since LeBron left that the rebuild can start right if we don't mess this up.

The more I think about it. The more I feel like Houston is gonna go Green. He has a chance to be really special.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by smalltown

The more I think about it. The more I feel like Houston is gonna go Green. He has a chance to be really special.

A Green/Porter backcourt would be deadly.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by smalltown

The more I think about it. The more I feel like Houston is gonna go Green. He has a chance to be really special.

From everything I am reading he's the best pure scorer in the draft.

We're talking potential to be a 25-30 PPG guy.

I don't know if that fits as well in Houston with KPJ. I love the sound of it with Garland.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by tjforce

From everything I am reading he's the best pure scorer in the draft.

We're talking potential to be a 25-30 PPG guy.

I don't know if that fits as well in Houston with KPJ. I love the sound of it with Garland.

I think Porter jr showed he can be the full time PG and secondary scorer in his short time with Houston

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by tjforce

From everything I am reading he's the best pure scorer in the draft.

We're talking potential to be a 25-30 PPG guy.

I don't know if that fits as well in Houston with KPJ. I love the sound of it with Garland.

A 25-30 point guy fits anywhere. 100% think Cleveland takes him if he’s there. But if he’s not I don’t think Mobley is the same 100%.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

A Green/Porter backcourt would be deadly.

Be so much fun to watch.

[jcardstore]

So totally unrelated to his talent but Mobley’s draft day interviews were absolutely terrible. It’s like someone just gave him 5 bullet points and he just kept repeating them

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by smalltown

A 25-30 point guy fits anywhere. 100% think Cleveland takes him if he’s there. But if he’s not I don’t think Mobley is the same 100%.

That is true.


If you can get a guy who you think can be a truly elite scorer, you take him.

Especially for Houston. They are still early in their rebuild and should go with the best player available.


I'm just hoping the Cavs get Green.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'm just hoping the Cavs get Green.

They could use his scoring for sure.

[escapegoat]

excited to see if the magic make two picks or trade one. i know they have cole anthony, but i really want them to get davion

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

So totally unrelated to his talent but Mobley’s draft day interviews were absolutely terrible. It’s like someone just gave him 5 bullet points and he just kept repeating them

Ha, ha. I thought the same thing.

[daeve]

any crazy draft day trade ideas?

I wonder if Det would be tempted by Dubs offering up Wiseman + #7 for #1.

Pistons just took a playmaker/ballhandler type in Hayes, but they could use a young 5 with huge potential. Meanwhile Gs takes a young wing to pair with Klay in case he's lost a step... Then Det takes bpa with #7.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by daeve

any crazy draft day trade ideas?

I wonder if Det would be tempted by Dubs offering up Wiseman + #7 for #1.

Pistons just took a playmaker/ballhandler type in Hayes, but they could use a young 5 with huge potential. Meanwhile Gs takes a young wing to pair with Klay in case he's lost a step... Then Det takes bpa with #7.

I think 7 would be too far down in this draft for Wiseman.

He showed some promise, but didn't exactly set the world on fire as a rookie.

This could be Detroit's best chance in a long time to draft a legit star.

The Cavs will likely made some move. They have a pick with high value and two players to move, Sexton and Love. They need to reshuffle their salary structure this offseason. I personally hope they just stay at 3 and take Green or Mobley.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I think 7 would be too far down in this draft for Wiseman.

He showed some promise, but didn't exactly set the world on fire as a rookie.

This could be Detroit's best chance in a long time to draft a legit star.

The Cavs will likely made some move. They have a pick with high value and two players to move, Sexton and Love. They need to reshuffle their salary structure this offseason. I personally hope they just stay at 3 and take Green or Mobley.

Thunder could eat Love and Sexton contracts for moving from 6 to 3 if Green is there and Presti covets him...

Presti has the treasure chest of picks to make any salary dumps worthwhile too, so if he needed to dump Love in a year [when Love is then an expiring] he could.

Shai-Green-Dort-Baz-Poku

with Kemba-Sexton-Love bench

[daeve]

https://streamable.com/9ez3fi

Keon Johnson breaks NBA Combine Record with 48.0 Vertical Inch Leap

easy bounce and then he kinda floats - wow

[jcardstore]

If the Cavs pass up on green just to move a bad contract I will scream.

The only way for small market teams to truly compete is to get lucky in the draft. What are the Cavs gonna do with extra cap space? Not like high level FAs are gonna sign anyways.

Stay at 3, see what you can get for Sexton and Love. If you can move them without the pick then do it. Otherwise, trade Sexton for whatever you can get and either let Love ride or buy him out.

[Dame]

Green won’t drop to 4th IMO unless he starts showing major red flags on his interviews and workouts. I’ve been following Green for 2 years and by all accounts, he seems like a great kid. We already know he has game.

Gilbert or Fertita are thirsty for some cornerstone type of talent, I’d be shocked if they trade a Top 3 pick (almost never happens) on draft night.

Unlike in 2014, both teams are too far away from being relevant to be trading away their picks from a strong draft class.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Stay at 3, see what you can get for Sexton and Love. If you can move them without the pick then do it. Otherwise, trade Sexton for whatever you can get and either let Love ride or buy him out.

Agree. I'm not high on Sexton. But i've been reading a lot that acts like he's a negative asset. He's not. There's enough there to get something decent in a trade.

As for Love. No one is taking him unless the Cavs sweeten the pot or take back longer term. There's no point. The Cavs aren't competeing for a championship next year. Two years left. Just ride it out and in 22-23 he's expiring that will either be a nice trade piece, easier to buy out or a boat load of cap space the next year.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by smalltown

Agree. I'm not high on Sexton. But i've been reading a lot that acts like he's a negative asset. He's not. There's enough there to get something decent in a trade.

As for Love. No one is taking him unless the Cavs sweeten the pot or take back longer term. There's no point. The Cavs aren't competeing for a championship next year. Two years left. Just ride it out and in 22-23 he's expiring that will either be a nice trade piece, easier to buy out or a boat load of cap space the next year.

I actually agree they should keep love and just wait till he’s expiring. No sense in giving up a pick or 2 to move him when the Cavs aren’t going to compete anyways.

Draft capital is better than gold.

Garland/Green/Okoro/Allen will be a nice core when Love can be moved and hopefully by then they’re competitive

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Draft capital is better than gold.

Especially since they're not going to atract any top tier free agents.

[Miz]

Anyone think it's possible the Kings make any trades to kove up? Long time Kings fan and you guys seem to know a lot. Thank you

[daeve]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

If the Cavs pass up on green just to move a bad contract I will scream.

The only way for small market teams to truly compete is to get lucky in the draft. What are the Cavs gonna do with extra cap space? Not like high level FAs are gonna sign anyways.

Stay at 3, see what you can get for Sexton and Love. If you can move them without the pick then do it. Otherwise, trade Sexton for whatever you can get and either let Love ride or buy him out.

sometimes the small-market teams have to outbid bigger teams to acquire talent. There's several interesting guys that will likely be bid up and leaving their current teams [pretty clear now that Collins is staying in atl]... but someone like Markannen is perfect to slot in between two defenders like Okoro and Jallen.

Garland-Bouknight-Okoro-Markannen-Jallen

immediately makes them more balanced and interesting - with more of a clear direction. and Bouknight will likely be available at 6