2015 Prospect Rush Draft Hit Parade

[hychang5]

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

lol its funny, members were after me like an angry mob....now......im seeing the same thing i posted all along. enjoy!

dont pull a muscle patting yourself on the back. Nothing changes my opinion about you, don't act like this is vindication for you.

[TASS]

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

lol its funny, members were after me like an angry mob....now......im seeing the same thing i posted all along. enjoy!

Would we be asked to pay a fee for you to research and show those posts that prove you posted the same thing all along!!

[kyle1707]

I just think about those super break products for 7500.00 dollars...

I watch cards infinity, blowout and Layton sports open them...

You get game used jerseys and 5-6 amazing cards

plus gold bar cuts and president autos etc....

And this is more expensive?

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by columbusbuckeye

I'm so glad I didn't buy into the hype.

I joined one group break on here just for a small chance at getting the number one spot, but bought nothing else.

My first repack purchase was a box of Prospect Rush Premiere Edition, or whatever the first one was. I got a card that wasn't even on the checklist. I just chalked it up as a loss and a lesson learned.

Ever since then, I've stayed away from repacks.

Nothing against Will, if you have the time and money as he does, then it's pretty easy to squeeze thousands out of people by showing off the top hits in the product to get them drooling and just blindly throw money at you.

If we had the same time and resources, don't kid yourself you would do it to.

It's pretty clear that Will took a beating on opening all of those draft cases and after saying he wasn't releasing a Prospect Rush product this year scrambled one together to recoup his loses on that break.

I will say this though, to all of the people complaining about ROI it's not different than any other product. We all drool over the sell sheet cards and then rarely pull one and are out a ton of money. That's just how opening wax goes. Don't open wax as an investment and expect to make money.

It's a lot more fun just to open for fun when you can and not worry about did or didn't I make my money back.

I feel like all of these insane multi thousand dollar products that people gamble on will eventually ruin this hobby. Too many people will get burned out and get tired of losing money in the long run.

Just my humble opinion though, I'm sure many of you don't care lol.

Really well said. Definitely a human centipede vibe to this whole affair

[Bhenry4]

I'm an idiot, my calculations would have been 600k a year. The general consensus amongst everyone is humorous. The breaks are exactly what I thought that they'd be, and I was never hypercritical like the annoying naysayers.

[mikecala98]

Group breakers - made money
People buying into group breaks - if lucky/smart made some money
People buying personal cases to flip - getting anally abused

Seems like this is no different to any high end case/product.

[kinar]

Originally Posted by Boo

I'm not going to say it is "junk" but once he bought the Bryant super, any normal person knew that 90% of the boxes were going to be terrible compared to the price of the box.

The Bryant super has very little to do with the ROI on this...it is a small drop in this bucket of cash...

Lets say he bought the super for 30,000. 30K spread across 300 boxes = 100/box.

Based on the reports in this thread, people would be selling their soul to only lose $100 on a box of this.

[darealstunna]

Those scratch tickets are where the money in this product is at.
Sell the losers....don't bother scratching them, that's the key. I'm glad ever time I see one scratched because it makes the unscratched that much more valuable.

[Codyfinesse]

So a local card shop owner says the bryant was purchased for 80k? Any chance this is true? Just curious

[ronaldo943]

Originally Posted by Bhenry4

I'm an idiot, my calculations would have been 600k a year. The general consensus amongst everyone is humorous. The breaks are exactly what I thought that they'd be, and I was never hypercritical like the annoying naysayers.

Yes, yes you are. Your original writeup wasn't too bad, you just messed up on thinking that there was only 30 boxes.

[cyndeeg3]

I was optimistic that this was going to at least be considered a "good" product, not GREAT, but, definitely thought it would top other repacks. Sadly, that is not the case.

Good luck the rest of the way - there almost HAS TO BE some monster cases out there, where #1-#8 slabs are not ALL losers. Hope so for everyone involved.

I held on to $600 in Paypal for the last month, which is like pulling a Super for me, it just doesn't happen. That was gonna be my all-in fund to get into PR breaks today...

Instead - got one of these this morning

2014 Bowman Draft Picks & Prospects Baseball Hobby 12 Box Case - $574.95 : Blowout Cards - Sports Cards and Trading Cards Wholesale Online Store

Genuinely hope to see some sickness for those of you who joined these breaks! Good luck if you are still holding out hope, I folded...

[bigaust001]

I'm against all large scale repack products in the hobby, and I feel that they turn many new collectors away from collecting in an attempt for a quick profit, but with that said, I will always commend a board member for being active in the industry and elevating their participation in the hobby. Surely you guys expected to take a hit... and a a large one at that... when the Bryant became a pawn in this game. I stand behind Will 110% for chasing his dream, but there is a thin line between being a collector and a member of the hobby, and being of the 'bad guys' that are in this thing purely for profit when making a product. To date, I can't recall a maker of a product taking a hit and doing it just because they love the hobby, and there's nothing wrong with that, as that is the name of the game, but for people to expect ROI to exceed 50-60% on average is just flat out blindness.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by houdini

I don't mind you normally, but get your facts straight first as both those numbers are way off.

If an orange sold for $1525, a red is not worth $1500. Hatred doesn't trump simple math.

2014 Kyle Schwarber Bowman Chrome Draft Autographs Orange BGS 9 5 10 Auto 6 25 | eBay

If this one sells, we will have a better idea too: 2014 Bowman Chrome Red Auto Refractor 1 5 Kyle Schwarber BGS 9 5 10 Gem Mint | eBay

The box was $2667. ($8000/3)



Which is it? You don't like the card, the product, or the fact I enjoy pulling high end cards for the participants of my break?

Just because you are sour everyone must be?



Yeah, ok.

I am not sure why you wouldn't like me because a product you had nothing to do with. But since you point this out please let me show you something. my point was hooting and hollering about a card (lets say it sells for 3,000) out of a $8,000 case. Sorry my numbers where not exact. Let me be clear I was NOT talking about you I was talking about your chat room.

And I thought I made it clear I dont like raffles. Or as you guys call them grab bag repackages. So as it its been pointed out the first 25 pages we had people yelling at other saying it will be the greatest repackage ever and how the haters are stupid. Then we have some of the same people laughing in your chat about where are the haters now? As if hitting a $3,000 card saved the $8,000 case. It saved it....for exactly one person. People were talking just a few pages ago how the 9th best hit would still be solid as hell, if anyone said anything people would jump on them. So while you dont like me because of a grab bag I still like you regardless. Im here if you need to PM me.

[Ballerskrip]

Originally Posted by mikecala98

Group breakers - made money
People buying into group breaks - if lucky/smart made some money
People buying personal cases to flip - getting anally abused

Seems like this is no different to any high end case/product.

Don't forget the 15-20% the distributors and blowouts of the world are making on each case. They likely made the most money among the group you posted above.....

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by dhendrix1303

There will be some big losers.. About 1/4 will break even .. About 50 or so will make money .. A handful will hit pay dirt.

So, it's like the rest of this hobby. Give the guy a break.

So how is this early prediction looking right now? Accurate or way off??

[adamsbetter]

83 pages of pure gold. My thoughts:

1) Great job by PR in promotion on here. It's the same as Topps/Panini showing all of the good hits, big names, 1/1's, etc...before a product release. Gives everyone stars in their eyes and makes people think every box will be a winner. He was also very transparent without divulging any damaging info about the actual ROI or avg. value across the product.

2) I don't know why people are getting so upset now after the fact. If you do the simple math you know what you're getting into. It's a gamble and there are always gonna be WAY more losers than winners in these products. It's the same with company products as well, but it's not done intentionally because they often don't know which prospects/rookies are gonna go up or pan out. In repacks you know for sure that you are gonna lose a lot across the product run.

3) I'm still not dead set against this product or repacks in general because I groupbreak more than anyone I know. I just love to gamble and it provides a lot of entertainment. I just know that I'm swimming uphill so it doesn't hurt as bad when I take it in the arse.

[californiakron]

It's a dumpster fire in my opinion. I believe including too much 14' draft really hurts this product.

As far as being transparent-It was pretty wise of the Prospect Rush owner considering the blowout crowd probably is his main target which he hopes to sell the product to...just saying.

[Reverend Ghost]

Originally Posted by californiakron

It's a dumpster fire in my opinion. I believe including too much 14' draft really hurts this product.



As far as being transparent-It was pretty wise of the Prospect Rush owner considering the blowout crowd probably is his main target which he hopes to sell the product to...just saying.

^This. I think a lot of people bought in without considering that the vast majority of cards packed out come from 2014 Draft. That was pretty apparent once the Hit Parade began, and the fact that cases of draft are included as instant winner prizes sort of makes this product a rough one considering how cheap and readily available cases of this stuff still are. I think the better bet here would have been just buying a case of 14 draft, grading the top hits and calling it good. Because realistically, from the breaks, you're looking at the same return without losing an extra 2100 dollars on a box of this stuff. Or, just buying slabs you want from this product on eBay. Don't get me wrong, the shot at THE Bryant and a couple others like Trout is cool, but not 2800 cool. I bought in on a group break, which seems to be the preferred in on this product, and again, looking at the breaks, I expect to lose what I would lose on a couple hundred bucks worth of wax: about 65-75% of what I spent. Difference is, the shot at Bryant and some other nice slabs. Again, I don't have thousands invested, but I think it's still a great product for group breaks which I would imagine is where the majority of this product goes to.

[wmelchior628]

I'm excited for the group break I am part of tonight. The 5 breaks I watched so far are pretty much exactly what I expected them to be. With no Bryant chase cards being winners yet - the value of the rest have gone up. I am biased because I have pick #4 in a case break and one of the items I can pick is all 3 KBChase cards from the case unscratched and I might pick those if they make it to me.

To all the haters in this thread, especially those that are patting themselves on the back right now, I don't see it. This looks pretty perfect to me, and almost exactly what most sane people thought would be in it.

Look at everything pulled from a case that cost $8k.

Watch 8 full jumbo case breaks of 2014 Bowman Draft on YouTube at random (not cherry picked good ones) as that would run you about the same $8k.

Tell me which has the better value:

8 BDPP cases:

• 192 Autos, probably
• 300ish random color cards
• 25000 random paper and chrome junk that will take up room and time to sort and sell.
• A very small chance at a Super, Super Auto, Red, Red Auto

3 Prospect Rush Boxes

• 30 Slabbed cards - mostly autos, some color, and a pretty good shot at 4-5 cards being high end
• 30 bonus cards - mostly autos, some of which looks pretty darn good
• 3 lotto tickets that have a 1:300 shot at a $30k+ card (and 1:75 shot at a runner up prize work about $1,000)
• 30 packs of random hobby draft packs from various years (over a box)
• 3 bonus hits of either a cool art card or an instant win of something fairly nice - case of cards, auto and 10 slabs, a PS4, etc)
• 3 really nice pelican cases (worth about $75 each)

To me the value looks similar, not to mentioned that the 30 cards are already graded and graded well - no risk or cost associated there - and you do not have to spend any time sorting, mailing, risk in grading, storing, and all the other bs that goes with opening 8 cases worth of cards.

The real people that get screwed are most of the people that entered high risk player breaks and get 0 hits, or those that entered breaks like the one I entered and out of 38 slots - end up with a pick in the bottom half (but at least they get something). Those who have the resources to buy an entire case or box should be just as well off as if they had bought the equivalent in unopened cases - if not better.

I say - great product, and very well done - especially after watching breaks. People that wanted a higher ROI are just unrealistic losers that want something for nothing.

Base the ROI on the cost after breakers take their cut, distributors (like BO) take their cut, expensive shipping costs, etc. And I think it doesn't look all that bad. Wish I had the money or resources to build a product like this myself.

[oliviaspool]

Originally Posted by wmelchior628

I'm excited for the group break I am part of tonight. The 5 breaks I watched so far are pretty much exactly what I expected them to be. With no Bryant chase cards being winners yet - the value of the rest have gone up. I am biased because I have pick #4 in a case break and one of the items I can pick is all 3 KBChase cards from the case unscratched and I might pick those if they make it to me.

To all the haters in this thread, especially those that are patting themselves on the back right now, I don't see it. This looks pretty perfect to me, and almost exactly what most sane people thought would be in it.

Look at everything pulled from a case that cost $8k.

Watch 8 full jumbo case breaks of 2014 Bowman Draft on YouTube at random (not cherry picked good ones) as that would run you about the same $8k.

Tell me which has the better value:

8 BDPP cases:

• 192 Autos, probably
• 300ish random color cards
• 25000 random paper and chrome junk that will take up room and time to sort and sell.
• A very small chance at a Super, Super Auto, Red, Red Auto

3 Prospect Rush Boxes

• 30 Slabbed cards - mostly autos, some color, and a pretty good shot at 4-5 cards being high end
• 30 bonus cards - mostly autos, some of which looks pretty darn good
• 3 lotto tickets that have a 1:300 shot at a $30k+ card (and 1:75 shot at a runner up prize work about $1,000)
• 30 packs of random hobby draft packs from various years (over a box)
• 3 bonus hits of either a cool art card or an instant win of something fairly nice - case of cards, auto and 10 slabs, a PS4, etc)
• 3 really nice pelican cases (worth about $75 each)

To me the value looks similar, not to mentioned that the 30 cards are already graded and graded well - no risk or cost associated there - and you do not have to spend any time sorting, mailing, risk in grading, storing, and all the other bs that goes with opening 8 cases worth of cards.

The real people that get screwed are most of the people that entered high risk player breaks and get 0 hits, or those that entered breaks like the one I entered and out of 38 slots - end up with a pick in the bottom half (but at least they get something). Those who have the resources to buy an entire case or box should be just as well off as if they had bought the equivalent in unopened cases - if not better.

I say - great product, and very well done - especially after watching breaks. People that wanted a higher ROI are just unrealistic losers that want something for nothing.

Base the ROI on the cost after breakers take their cut, distributors (like BO) take their cut, expensive shipping costs, etc. And I think it doesn't look all that bad. Wish I had the money or resources to build a product like this myself.

Well said, thanks!

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by bigaust001

To date, I can't recall a maker of a product taking a hit and doing it just because they love the hobby, and there's nothing wrong with that, as that is the name of the game, but for people to expect ROI to exceed 50-60% on average is just flat out blindness.

Hang in there. One might be coming.

[arkeeper]

Case 2 was well over 50% return. Case 1 wasn't very good. Just like any other product. Looking forward to watching more breaks, especially the few that I'm in.

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Hang in there. One might be coming.

You making a Sportkings repack product

Or is Leaf finally making a new Sportkings product and you are in charge of making it

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

You making a Sportkings repack product

Or is Leaf finally making a new Sportkings product and you are in charge of making it

I don't think Leaf would pay me to be in charge of an eventual new SK release, and I wouldn't feel right creating a product made up almost entirely of some other company's work.

If I were to ever create a product though, there would be considerable value as I do very much enjoy this hobby.

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

I don't think Leaf would pay me to be in charge of an eventual new SK release, and I wouldn't feel right creating a product made up almost entirely of some other company's work.

If I were to ever create a product though, there would be considerable value as I do very much enjoy this hobby.

I'm intrigued ... When will you come forward with info?

Also you say "eventual new sk release" So you think it will happen?