Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[metsandweezer]

Wow these prices are dropping quick.

[CoEnt85]

My guess for today
Jeter - 39.6
Gwynn - 22.1k

[WhiteSoxJosh]

I've been following this thread for a few days now. Can someone tell me what's the deal with the fanny packs?

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by CoEnt85

My guess for today
Jeter - 39.6k
Thomas - 22.1k

Jeter 65K
Thomas 39k

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by dgr81

baller trout down to 107

my god. what did you all do?

Seeing 85 from an ebay group


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[RAV2773]

Originally Posted by williemayshayes

Old Man ALAN just doesn’t go away!


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It's the 3rd lowest print run I believe, so it will go for a decent amount. It was $2200+ though, and one sold from a panic buy it now sale of $875 earlier today before the $1400, so it has taken a big hit as well.

[Middies31985]

Gary V and Vegas Dave are no comparison. Gary genuinely cares about people. His way of showing it is often very brash but he is much more concerned about people than he is money. If you dive into his content I think he does a very good job of displaying his true character and you can tell its not for show. He is a quality human being interested in making people's lives better through financial and entrepreneur advice. His covid-19 philanthropy project is going well too.

Call me a fanboy if you want but I've only watched about five episodes listen to me before podcast of his. But what little content I have taken in of his he seems very genuine.

Also anybody get the feeling that Blake Jamieson is the Gary V of Project 2020? Genuine guy that cusses a lot and just likes building relationships...

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[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by DJP73

To much bad vibes in this now. For everyone that bought straight from Topps you are fine and will make money. Last weekend to many people jumped on the bandwagon and caused a crazy uptick in the lower PR cards. In a week or two the market will correct itself. You can find a few steals from the panic sellers. I tell Everyone collect what you like and have fun with it.

If only the loudest pumpers in the thread actually bought those early cards from Topps. This thread wasn’t even around when those cards dropped, and the gif droppers weren’t posting in it either.

It’s funny that less than a year ago if you were caught trying to pump cards on the forum you’d get laughed and at mocked. Now when you do it you’re championed and if you call it out you’re giving out “bad vibes”.

This thread is worse than those discord servers and full of horrendous advice.

Already we have The Accountant telling you that the Ermsy Trouts will be hard to find because the print run is 2.9K.

Meanwhile, those of us who have been around the block can look at the US175 Gold /2011 (30% fewer available) and see that it’s CONSTANTLY been a valuable on eBay since release. 1200 total sales on eBay since the release (average of 2 a week). It’s never not available. But if you read what The Accountant is telling you and you’re not well versed in the hobby, he SOUNDS like he’d be right.

[rookiepatchauto]

Originally Posted by Snakeonia

Gonna be rough on a lot of speculators when he only speaks on it for 10-20 seconds and onto the next topic.


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The fact that many high-volume flippers are depending on influencers to make a statement about Project in the coming week in order to sustain prices says a lot about the risk of buying pre-Griffey Shore cards at current prices. When I believe in a card or set, the last thing I want is an influencer or forum mentioning it, since I'm usually a net buyer and long-term holder of cards and sets I believe in. I don't want a mention until I'm ready to sell. A LOT of Project flippers are READY TO SELL.

When you couple that with the fact that many sellers don't even have these cards in hand, today's ebay buyers could potentially buy the card, see prices go up (due to an influencer spike) and then see prices go down (due to an increase in listings and influencer hangover), before they even get the tracking number.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

If only the loudest pumpers in the thread actually bought those early cards from Topps. This thread wasn’t even around when those cards dropped, and the gif droppers weren’t posting in it either.

It’s funny that less than a year ago if you were caught trying to pump cards on the forum you’d get laughed and at mocked. Now when you do it you’re championed and if you call it out you’re giving out “bad vibes”.

This thread is worse than those discord servers and full of horrendous advice.

Already we have The Accountant telling you that the Ermsy Trouts will be hard to find because the print run is 2.9K.

Meanwhile, those of us who have been around the block can look at the US175 Gold /2011 (30% fewer available) and see that it’s CONSTANTLY been a valuable on eBay since release. 1200 total sales on eBay since the release (average of 2 a week). It’s never not available. But if you read what The Accountant is telling you and you’re not well versed in the hobby, he SOUNDS like he’d be right.

You gonna tell me about "the game" or do I have to pay a membership to get into the exclusive club of people who know about "the game"? Or do I have to wait for a letter to be slipped under my door? Or do I have to wait for Sean Penn to buy me a birthday gift?

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by rookiepatchauto

The fact that many high-volume flippers are depending on influencers to make a statement about Project in the coming week in order to sustain prices says a lot about the risk of buying pre-Griffey Shore cards at current prices. When I believe in a card or set, the last thing I want is an influencer or forum mentioning it, since I'm usually a net buyer and long-term holder of cards and sets I believe in. I don't want a mention until I'm ready to sell. A LOT of Project flippers are READY TO SELL.

When you couple that with the fact that many sellers don't even have these cards in hand, today's ebay buyers could potentially buy the card, see prices go up (due to an influencer spike) and then see prices go down (due to an increase in listings and influencer hangover), before they even get the tracking number.

If it's "depending on" today, what was it a week ago when posters were excited about an influencer talking about p2020????

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by WhiteSoxJosh

I've been following this thread for a few days now. Can someone tell me what's the deal with the fanny packs?

Blake Jamieson did a sale of Fanny packs on his stream one night. Like he paints it and puts some cards inside. It’s one of the P2020 companion items along with Money Bear and the Magic Box

[TOMBB25]

Does project 2020 release on weekends?

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by TOMBB25

Does project 2020 release on weekends?

No, it doesn't.

[rj.cataldo]

Originally Posted by kevbojones

I never thought I'd see a Blowout thread where collectors are praying for Gary V's blessing

We are living in strange times indeed.

Agree with this. A lot of people on this forum talked about how bad he was for the hobby and inflating prices. Now it seems people are eargerly awaiting his "wisdom" to send prices to the moon. I for one don't give people like Gary V a moment of my intention regardless of my level of personal benefit. There a dozens of people on this forum that I think have more valuable opinions than Gary V, SCI, etc.

[DStars45]

What do you guys do about a buyer with 0 feedback? It says member since 2006 but 0 feedback? They paid the $500 but do I ship or does this mean something fishy is going on?

[Howie7107]

I honestly don't think it matters if we get an influencer spike or not. This has been an absurd window of panic selling that is slowly correcting back now, and it will correct. Do we see the prices of last weekend ever again? Maybe not. But I think it's substantially more likely that we exceed last weekends prices in the next month than it is that these things start to get close to MSRP (Even cards post-50/60 or wherever you'd like to draw the line).

[Bruvydsb]

Got my first in hand card today. I bought a Thiele Trout for $26 on 5/18 from 3430hockey. I bought several cards that day and received a combined shipping discount. This guy is such a good seller he sent me the Trout by itself without requested more shipping (which I would have gladly paid).

Great EBay seller = 3430hockey

[RyanSwinger]

TO ANYONE WHO IS HOLDING SUB 3K PRs RIGHT NOW PLEASE READ:

The timing of the Griffey Shore fiasco was almost PERFECT. Hear me out:

People that jumped on the bandwagon around card 70 or so and aggressively bought new releases in bulk all the way up the Griffey Shore are now likely OUT of the game and are completely over leveraged. I'd venture to say a chunk of these folks also snagged a few early released thinking a big ROI was coming here as well. Here is where the timing is key:

Players and artist are all at roughly card 5 with 15 to go. The flippers who lost big early on with Griffey Shore and got involved in the presale hot potato are currently selling coveted cards to pay off debt and cover losses. Going into the arguably biggest week (marketing wise) for the Project (Trout Baller/Jamieson, GaryVee, MLB, Beckett), collectors will now be fortunate enough to catch up on the cheap and take advantage of the panic. These cards will then go into PCs and will not return to the secondary market. These folks now will be able to firm up sets and play the MSRP game from Topps from here moving forward. This of course will dry up supply and at card 5, the set is still early and bringing on new eyeballs. Next you see a steady price increase with early PRs as supply decreases and demand increases.

If this boom would have happened at say card #11 then I think its an absolutely disaster. With it happening so early I think there is a good chance lessons have been harshly learned and we do not see that reckless bulk purchases outside of Trout/Baller/Jamieson and Jeter/Baller.

DO NOT MISREAD SHORT TERM DROPS IN PRICES TO INDICATE A DROP IN VALUE. Sell if you must (duplicates or non interested cards) but logic would tell you that selling coveted early PRs NOW is not wise. Factoring in the lack of optimism about a 2020 baseball season and the increasing quality in art- I simply do not see how this does not rebound in a big way

[rookiepatchauto]

Originally Posted by premium1981

RETURN IT! You shouldn't have to pay for your child's accidental purchase.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by thenightman

You gonna tell me about "the game" or do I have to pay a membership to get into the exclusive club of people who know about "the game"? Or do I have to wait for a letter to be slipped under my door? Or do I have to wait for Sean Penn to buy me a birthday gift?

I like you, but I’m not sure you’ve ever seen how these print on demand sets go.

Yes, some people win. The people who get in early, sell direct, and then STOP all together.

What will happen is that as we go over the next 304 cards the PR will start to get smaller and smaller. This isn’t a good thing. The gains on the initial cards will continue to dwindle. If you bought the first few at MSRP (the vast majority of you guys didn’t) will you make money in those cards? YES! If you reinvested those gains into subsequent 10 packs you’re losing money, and for each buy you make going forward your ROI will dwindle. By the time this is done, you’ll have lost on so many sets (holding cards you can’t sell because everybody else is doing it) coupled with the 3% you pay for every jerk that wants to return you’ll be in the red.

People will see the print runs drop back to the “sane” levels of 1-80. Who knows when it happens, but it’s going to happen. This means the set has tanked and interest is gone. Now you’ve got high set number cards with print runs similar to the early cards in the set, only these small print run cards on the back end aren’t being flipped. The flippers have left and now collectors are snagging at MSRP. The guys who have been “investing” start to notice that low print run cards at the end have next to no secondary value even though the print runs at the beginning have had big secondary value. This is the second sell-off of those early cards and when the set becomes worth less than MSRP.

I promise this is what will happen. I don’t know when, but this is the cycle of this.

If you’ve made money and are in the black and stop now, you win. If you keep buying thinking you’ll keep capturing gains, eventually your purchases will outweigh your sales. This happens to everybody.

If you haven’t captured gains yet to free roll the set, I don’t know what to tell you. If you don’t have a StockX account where you can sell risk free at current market value, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s not my money. It’s not about being “right” or “wrong” like you pumpers keep making this out. I love this forum and I love every member on it and don’t want to see guys losing $400 on a card in a day because they got sucked in my others who have never undertaken anything like this (AlexHunter) and fall into the FOMO.

The gifs are fun. The rocket ships make me laugh. What’s not fun is people losing money. The vast majority in this thread have lost money as opposed to make it, and will continue to lose money listening to your advice.

Believe who you want. Guys who joined the forums in the last month, or those of us who have seen this dog and pony show happen before.

[justin80]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

TO ANYONE WHO IS HOLDING SUB 3K PRs RIGHT NOW PLEASE READ:

The timing of the Griffey Shore fiasco was almost PERFECT. Hear me out:

People that jumped on the bandwagon around card 70 or so and aggressively bought new releases in bulk all the way up the Griffey Shore are now likely OUT of the game and are completely over leveraged. I'd venture to say a chunk of these folks also snagged a few early released thinking a big ROI was coming here as well. Here is where the timing is key:

Players and artist are all at roughly card 5 with 15 to go. The flippers who lost big early on with Griffey Shore and got involved in the presale hot potato are currently selling coveted cards to pay off debt and cover losses. Going into the arguably biggest week (marketing wise) for the Project (Trout Baller/Jamieson, GaryVee, MLB, Beckett), collectors will now be fortunate enough to catch up on the cheap and take advantage of the panic. These cards will then go into PCs and will not return to the secondary market. These folks now will be able to firm up sets and play the MSRP game from Topps from here moving forward. This of course will dry up supply and at card 5, the set is still early and bringing on new eyeballs. Next you see a steady price increase with early PRs as supply decreases and demand increases.

If this boom would have happened at say card #11 then I think its an absolutely disaster. With it happening so early I think there is a good chance lessons have been harshly learned and we do not see that reckless bulk purchases outside of Trout/Baller/Jamieson and Jeter/Baller.

DO NOT MISREAD SHORT TERM DROPS IN PRICES TO INDICATE A DROP IN VALUE. Sell if you must (duplicates or non interested cards) but logic would tell you that selling coveted early PRs NOW is not wise. Factoring in the lack of optimism about a 2020 baseball season and the increasing quality in art- I simply do not see how this does not rebound in a big way

[1977 Cloth]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Jeter 65K
Thomas 39k

It is Jeter and Gwynn PRs releasing today. Thomas is tomorrow with Mattingly.

Having said that I think the Jeter is pretty close and replace Thomas with Gwynn and you may be right.

I will go
Jeter - 62,134
Gwynn -35,723

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by rookiepatchauto

The fact that many high-volume flippers are depending on influencers to make a statement about Project in the coming week in order to sustain prices says a lot about the risk of buying pre-Griffey Shore cards at current prices. When I believe in a card or set, the last thing I want is an influencer or forum mentioning it, since I'm usually a net buyer and long-term holder of cards and sets I believe in. I don't want a mention until I'm ready to sell. A LOT of Project flippers are READY TO SELL.

When you couple that with the fact that many sellers don't even have these cards in hand, today's ebay buyers could potentially buy the card, see prices go up (due to an influencer spike) and then see prices go down (due to an increase in listings and influencer hangover), before they even get the tracking number.

Im starting to question though

if people believe the gary media coverage why sell out beforehand? Did the flippers go way too hard and now are in damage control liquidating older releases at the same time to cover future/ current expenses? Did people by in at $$$ hoping to hit $$$$ and got caught holding too many bags? The 99k print run was way too much supply for demand in my opinion. Good for the artist good for the hobby but good lord. Its like all the ventilators the usa made that you will be able to buy at a pawn store in a cpl years.


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[CC_123]

Put in an order for the Efdot Gwynn just now. I was a latecomer into this trend, but the Gwynn is probably my favorite looking Topps Project card released this far.