2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

Guess who's 75th birthday it is today?.....

1946, so only 74, right?

Let us sing:

"When you’re tired of winning
When you get tired of fame
Or when your head is spinning
And you’ve drunk all the best champagne
Then we’ll all sing together
To society we’ll be true
Then we’ll all sing together
Society waits for you

Oh how we all get richer
Playing the ruling game
Only the poor get poorer
We feed off them all the same
Then we’ll all sing together
To society we’ll be true
Then we’ll all sing together
Society waits for you

Some may call us sinners
We think of ourselves as saints
Some may call us killers
It’s done with such restraint
Then we’ll all sing together
To society we’ll be true
Then we’ll all sing together
Society waits for you"

Happy Birthday, POTUS!

Go ahead and skip church today and instead "play" your 254th round of golf on us. You've earned it!

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by budd2222

He was shot in the back! I see it as the cop was looking for something to happen. Cop " Put your hands behind your back BOY". In my world that starts out as a racist cop showing his hand.

Never mind that he fought with the police punching them, etc and got away from them during the scuffle and shot whats looks like to be the taser at them and continued to run. It wasnt as simple as you make it sound. But your version fits the narrative you're trying to push.

[sportzluvr1]

Happy birthday President Trump

[budd2222]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Never mind that he fought with the police punching them, etc and got away from them during the scuffle and shot whats looks like to be the taser at them and continued to run. It wasnt as simple as you make it sound. But your version fits the narrative you're trying to push.

Would you shoot someone in the back? One of our local Police Officers said, He was a big man that was drinking. He won't run fast, He won't run far. Let him tire himself out. If they had just gave him a ticket for blocking a driveway and called took away his car keys and called a cab, no fight and no dead man.

[DegaBama]

If this was a white guy, we wouldn't have even heard of this. Let's be honest.

[jk1937]

Originally Posted by budd2222

Would you shoot someone in the back? One of our local Police Officers said, He was a big man that was drinking. He won't run fast, He won't run far. Let him tire himself out. If they had just gave him a ticket for blocking a driveway and called took away his car keys and called a cab, no fight and no dead man.

He was drunk behind the wheel passed out in a drive thru. U dont just get a ticket for that.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

A taser is not a lethal weapon. Point, blank, period. Else every cop in america wouldn't be armed with one with the authorization to use it freely against any difficult suspect as they deem fit. You won't die from being tased. However, it can be used as an accessory to murder (ie, stunning an armed person or using subsequent lethal force against a temporarily stunned person).


I still have to wait for the bodycam footage. I'm not piecing together the whole situation off the surveillance footage.

The verbal exchanges on the audio will be especially important. Were both cops involved fully aware (at the moment he began fleeing) that the suspect DEFINITELY sabotaged the taser and NOT a gun? This is extremely important. Especially since this took place at night in less than perfect visual conditions.

If there was ANY confusion as to what weapon the suspect was holding, that (in my mind) gave the officer full authority to fire at will. I have a hard time believing they would have let him flee that far if there was any possible indication he may have stolen a gun though. Especially with all the civilians in such close proximity.

Gonna be an interesting day tomorrow.

The officer may have thought he pulled a gun. If it was the other officers taser, this officer may not know he got his hands on it and he saw the suspect turn and point. Then he pulled his sidearm and shot. Nobody knows at this pint, but it doesn't matter right now, all police are bad and under a microscope like never before.

[budd2222]

Originally Posted by jk1937

He was drunk behind the wheel passed out in a drive thru. U dont just get a ticket for that.

Why not? Laws are being changed all the time as being to punitive.

[tpeichel34]

I wonder why Biden and Obama never implemented this policy?

https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteHous...05573774589952

[Athey49]

If the guy was idiotic enough to fire a taser at an officer, I would expect that he wouldn't hesitate to use it on an innocent passerby as well

[budd2222]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

The officer may have thought he pulled a gun. If it was the other officers taser, this officer may not know he got his hands on it and he saw the suspect turn and point. Then he pulled his sidearm and shot. Nobody knows at this pint, but it doesn't matter right now, all police are bad and under a microscope like never before.

If you can't tell a firearm from a taser, you should not be a cop. Remember the cops words. " Put your hands behind you back Boy"

[jmarshstl5]

A DUI is a blatant disregard for human life. You put everyone on the road in danger. A ticket? Seriously?

[Clark]

I am having a hard time understanding the logic of some in this thread. The USA and Canada are countries of law and order, not anarchy. If you are arrested you get in the police car and eventually get your day in court. You're presumed innocent until the state can prove you are guilty of an offense.

You don’t have the right to fight the cops violently, take a weapon and run away from the system. The police are sworn to uphold the law and order system. They are part of the criminal court process. If you don’t like the system you can’t decide you’re entitled to reject it. If the guy simply got in the back of the car, he would be alive today.

They had a guy who had no respect for public safety and drove intoxicated, then violently resisted arrest, and had a weapon. I would not want that person on the loose in my neighborhood. With a criminal mindset who knows what he is capable of when trying to escape( carjacking, assault, etc). He already proved he has no respect for law, order, or the public.

Don’t forget the police are trying to make split decisions under duress and adrenaline. They have a right to go home to their families at the end of their shift. They are also sworn to protect the public. This issue is not only about a threat to the cops, but the public at large. The law recognizes this, and the legal standard is not an actual threat, but a perceived threat to the safety of the public or themselves.

[jk1937]

Originally Posted by budd2222

Why not? Laws are being changed all the time as being to punitive.

because right now that's not the law. if it was, then that's a different conversation.

[LoveRookies]

Originally Posted by Athey49

If the guy was idiotic enough to fire a taser at an officer, I would expect that he wouldn't hesitate to use it on an innocent passerby as well

Except he wouldnt have been able to use it on anyone else after he deployed it against the officer.

[Bars and Bar]

If he successfully tased the cop, the cop could have been in danger. Steal a taser, steal a gun? The man made stupid decisions and reaped unfortunate consequences. Point blank.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by budd2222

Why not? Laws are being changed all the time as being to punitive.

Take it up with MADD.

[callou2131]

People have died from being Tazed. People have fallen and hit their heads after being tazed, and gotten brain damage or died. Using a tazer is deadly force. The criminal used deadly force against the officer, the officer in turn also used deadly force towards the criminal. Us of force continuim allows you to use force 1 step higher than is being used against you. It is a legal shooting. Now the cops will sue for wrongful termination and win

[persona]

Originally Posted by callou2131

People have died from being Tazed. People have fallen and hit their heads after being tazed, and gotten brain damage or died. Using a tazer is deadly force. The criminal used deadly force against the officer, the officer in turn also used deadly force towards the criminal. Us of force continuim allows you to use force 1 step higher than is being used against you. It is a legal shooting. Now the cops will sue for wrongful termination and win

Going by your theory, do you believe it was justifiable for the officers in ATL to be terminated and charged for tasing two college students who were on their way to pick up some food?

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by budd2222

If you can't tell a firearm from a taser, you should not be a cop. Remember the cops words. " Put your hands behind you back Boy"

Can you tell the difference between a taser and a firearm from 20 feet while running in a dimly lit parking lot? Most can't even tell the difference from a cell phone and a firearm during the day while standing still.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Clark

I am having a hard time understanding the logic of some in this thread. The USA and Canada are countries of law and order, not anarchy. If you are arrested you get in the police car and eventually get your day in court. You're presumed innocent until the state can prove you are guilty of an offense.

You don’t have the right to fight the cops violently, take a weapon and run away from the system. The police are sworn to uphold the law and order system. They are part of the criminal court process. If you don’t like the system you can’t decide you’re entitled to reject it. If the guy simply got in the back of the car, he would be alive today.

They had a guy who had no respect for public safety and drove intoxicated, then violently resisted arrest, and had a weapon. I would not want that person on the loose in my neighborhood. With a criminal mindset who knows what he is capable of when trying to escape( carjacking, assault, etc). He already proved he has no respect for law, order, or the public.

Don’t forget the police are trying to make split decisions under duress and adrenaline. They have a right to go home to their families at the end of their shift. They are also sworn to protect the public. This issue is not only about a threat to the cops, but the public at large. The law recognizes this, and the legal standard is not an actual threat, but a perceived threat to the safety of the public or themselves.

I agree with this. I’ll reserve judgment until more details come out, but “shot in the back while running away” is a disingenuous take that skips right past the part where he turned back to fire the weapon he was holding and was then shot a second later. Let’s let the facts develop.

[quackhead]

Was a great day yesterday for a boat parade

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-...san-diego-bay/

[Clark]

Originally Posted by budd2222

He was shot in the back! I see it as the cop was looking for something to happen. Cop " Put your hands behind your back BOY". In my world that starts out as a racist cop showing his hand.

Here is the actual body cam footage. Cops seem reasonable to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOiKgmCJwls

[katester44]

Originally Posted by budd2222

Would you shoot someone in the back? One of our local Police Officers said, He was a big man that was drinking. He won't run fast, He won't run far. Let him tire himself out. If they had just gave him a ticket for blocking a driveway and called took away his car keys and called a cab, no fight and no dead man.

If he called a cab or an uber and had been taken directly home, he would have never been asleep behind the wheel in a drive thru lane.

But he didn't, he chose to drive drunk. That started the entire chain of events.

[persona]

How are things for everyone?
We are in stage for in Indy and lot of things are getting back to normal.
State fair is canceled and that’s a pretty big deal for people around here since it drew 900,000 visitors last year and canceled for the first time since WWII.

Positive run in with the police officer yesterday, went out for ice cream after taking a cruise on the yacht in our dirty ass local water.
We walked in along with a police officer in his uniform with his family and I had few questions that popped up in my head “Is this guy on duty? Why is he here if he is on duty?”
Looked out saw a patrol car and I figured maybe he is off duty since it’s 6pm.
He had two kids about the same age as mine and I looked at him and said “Times are tough huh?” He replied with a smile on his face and said “You have no idea buddy”
I went up first and said whatever that family gets I’ll get it and he insisted I didn’t have to do that and he couldn’t allow it.
We both walked out and he saw my car and said “wow, a beautiful car man!”
I replied with “Yeah, it’s awesome with two car seats in the back”
I asked him “You off duty? You want to take it for a spin?”
Make the already long story short we drove around the block in the Bentley and for a brief movement we were two grown ass kids that were complete strangers, different in skin tone yet never once did he bring up what I did for living and we ended up exchanging numbers and I told him his kids are more than welcome at anytime to the house to play.

I’ve shared my few run ins with the local police pulling me over for turn signal issues on here and being questioned on how I obtained the vehicle and what I did for living.

Also I was the one who made the negative judgement on the police officer by questioning if he was on duty or not, anywho back to trolling.