**Official Luka Doncic Thread** - Page 858

Asian62150 · 06-06-2021, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bkcardcollector

i dunno everyone saying the mavs supporting cast is awful - yeah pretty bad - but i still am not sold on luka when you are the entire offense. It is difficult to say what he would do on a good offense - probably good obviously - but would he be able to step it up on the d and not take stupid shots/turn overs. I hope and believe yes but difficult to gage without it. Steph made his way there... and the warriors made it work for him - and yes role players need to step up like klay and dray.

Yes, Steph is the main piece for the Warriors, but Klay and Dray are not your typical "role players."

They're both multi-time All-Stars and probable HOFers. And both Klay and Draymond were all-world defenders when the Warriors were at the peak of their powers.

I don't think the Mavs even have someone as good as 2015 Iguodala or Harrison Barnes.

bkcardcollector · 06-06-2021, 09:55 PM

relax see ^

nappyd · 06-06-2021, 10:16 PM

Porzingis is a shell of the guy everyone was mad at the Knicks for trading away. Luka's running that show on his own and won't get much deeper without more help. Until then it's time to buy the dip on Luka now that he's done with the playoffs and hope no one tries to compare him to stars still in playoffs like Trae Young.

nxkard · 06-06-2021, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bkcardcollector

relax fanbois f

Entirely relaxed... Steph didn't propel them from being role players to all stars(not to say he didn't make them better) .... They had a learning curve to their careers like any other player. Luka aside, nobody on the mavs possesses, nor will possess, the talent level of peak klay or draymond.

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nxkard · 06-06-2021, 11:06 PM

On a strictly positive note, as a sports lover without teams I root for, I'm really grateful Luka has brought out the fan in me.... Can't wait for witness his next steps in 21-22.

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tjforce · 06-06-2021, 11:27 PM

Honest question for the Luka fans and investors here....

Would you be happy if Luka got an all NBA 2nd-3rd team type teammate, say Dame Lillard or Bradley Beat, but it meant Luka's usage goes down and he loses about 2-3 points and 1 assist per game?

Or would you rather him be the only star on his team and get to eat all he wants?

Chris P · 06-06-2021, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

Honest question for the Luka fans and investors here....

Would you be happy if Luka got an all NBA 2nd-3rd team type teammate, say Dame Lillard or Bradley Beat, but it meant Luka's usage goes down and he loses about 2-3 points and 1 assist per game?

Or would you rather him be the only star on his team and get to eat all he wants?

I'm a Luka fan and I'd rather him have a better sidekick then do everything on his own and never win anything meaningful.

nxkard · 06-06-2021, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

Honest question for the Luka fans and investors here....

Would you be happy if Luka got an all NBA 2nd-3rd team type teammate, say Dame Lillard or Bradley Beat, but it meant Luka's usage goes down and he loses about 2-3 points and 1 assist per game?

Or would you rather him be the only star on his team and get to eat all he wants?

I want to see him win.

I'd happily welcome any player that makes that team better.

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JohnnyHatesJazz · 06-06-2021, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

Honest question for the Luka fans and investors here....

Would you be happy if Luka got an all NBA 2nd-3rd team type teammate, say Dame Lillard or Bradley Beat, but it meant Luka's usage goes down and he loses about 2-3 points and 1 assist per game?

Or would you rather him be the only star on his team and get to eat all he wants?

Magic and Larry had reputable partners in crime. MJ had Pippen.

Lebron leaves town to hook up with all pros.

Bring on the bromance!!!!

drobfan8 · 06-07-2021, 02:14 AM

Luka could get someone else legit and his numbers would still be around that 28/9/9 because he would become more efficient.

He will continue to get better.

They need the best big they can get. Do whatever they need to do to get one.

Cuban coming out and saying he won't fire Rick is a bit silly. You can make a change just to make a change.

You also can't just have Luka pulling ALL the strings on the court.

Some fresh energy in the coaches box would be wise. Hell Kidd may do a great job.

bkcardcollector · 06-07-2021, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by nxkard

Entirely relaxed... Steph didn't propel them from being role players to all stars(not to say he didn't make them better) .... They had a learning curve to their careers like any other player. Luka aside, nobody on the mavs possesses, nor will possess, the talent level of peak klay or draymond.

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rrrrright, wow, you are smart.

KhalDrogo · 06-07-2021, 05:13 AM

More #@#@#@#@ posting from tj. Like anybody would take what we have now versus getting some real help and shaving some stats off. Might as well ask you if you'd rather have Ben Simmons learn how to do more than just dunk, or just win a title while he averages 12ppg.

sethc1020 · 06-07-2021, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

Honest question for the Luka fans and investors here....

Would you be happy if Luka got an all NBA 2nd-3rd team type teammate, say Dame Lillard or Bradley Beat, but it meant Luka's usage goes down and he loses about 2-3 points and 1 assist per game?

Or would you rather him be the only star on his team and get to eat all he wants?

Much rather see him win than lose with big #s. If they were able to land a guy like Dame or Beal Lukas points may come down a bit but his assist and proficiency would be much improved. With that said I would love to see Beal come and play with him, I don't think he would take the shine away from Luka and can be contend on to carry the offense when Luka is out or not shooting well. Dame is too much of an Alpha scorer and not sure how that would work out. The main thing the Mavs need is a consistent scorer that can take some pressure off of Luka and make shots when they are open. Right now they live and die on the inconsistency of THJ. If you could get get good THJ on a consistent basis they would be hard to beat most of the time.

KhalDrogo · 06-07-2021, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sethc1020

Much rather see him win than lose with big #s. If they were able to land a guy like Dame or Beal Lukas points may come down a bit but his assist and proficiency would be much improved. With that said I would love to see Beal come and play with him, I don't think he would take the shine away from Luka and can be contend on to carry the offense when Luka is out or not shooting well. Dame is too much of an Alpha scorer and not sure how that would work out. The main thing the Mavs need is a consistent scorer that can take some pressure off of Luka and make shots when they are open. Right now they live and die on the inconsistency of THJ. If you could get get good THJ on a consistent level they would be hard to beat most of the time.

THJ can't create his own offense though. That's a bigger issue that his consistency in my eyes, and what keeps him from ever being a #2.

KP being unable to create anything on his own despite being 7'3 is the Mavs' biggest problem.

sethc1020 · 06-07-2021, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

THJ can't create his own offense though. That's a bigger issue that his consistency in my eyes, and what keeps him from ever being a #2.

KP being unable to create anything on his own despite being 7'3 is the Mavs' biggest problem.

True but this is a big reason why he is so inconsistent. KP we all know about, I've never seen a guy that was 7' that couldn't score in the paint. This guy had all the promise in the world but hasn't lived up to it, not sure if it was the injuries or what. A guy with his size and ability should be much better.

Diver757 · 06-07-2021, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Magic and Larry had reputable partners in crime. MJ had Pippen.

Lebron leaves town to hook up with all pros.

Bring on the bromance!!!!

Exactly, Bird and Magic played with Hall of Famers. No shame in hooking up like that. LeBron gets grief because he's more of a Merc than the other 2, but it's the same principle.

Sjpwa · 06-07-2021, 07:24 AM

Luka to the Lakers. Small chance.

ThePackLife · 06-07-2021, 07:34 AM

Luka needs to win a title at some point cause there's so many haters now that he might end up getting the same treatment Westbrook gets in the hobby.

blackbears86 · 06-07-2021, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePackLife

Luka needs to win a title at some point cause there's so many haters now that he might end up getting the same treatment Westbrook gets in the hobby.

Highly unlikely, but collectors can turn on a dime.

rustywest · 06-07-2021, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePackLife

Luka needs to win a title at some point cause there's so many haters now that he might end up getting the same treatment Westbrook gets in the hobby.

Luka's most vocal fans (the this guy sucks, that guy is a bum mob) on blowout are far more myopic, irrational and toxic than any Westbrook fans on blowout. That's where the 'hate' probably stems from

I'm not sure how anybody could hate Luka, Trae on the other hand

I could see some mannerisms that might irritate.

Don't hate anybody in the NBA, that's a waste of energy. Never understood it

KhalDrogo · 06-07-2021, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePackLife

Luka needs to win a title at some point cause there's so many haters now that he might end up getting the same treatment Westbrook gets in the hobby.

He will win a title. Even if he didn’t, he’ll never be held in the same regard as Mr. Inefficient.

minnesotachill · 06-07-2021, 08:17 AM

Thriving in today's NBA is all about connections and relationships.

Players who have been friends for decades are teaming up to take on megastars like Lebron and Doncic

I feel this may be where Luka will struggle the most his career, coming from overseas with very few connections.

byronscott4ever · 06-07-2021, 08:19 AM

Kareem, Wade, Bird—24
Pippen—25
Curry, Lebron —27
Shaq, Jordan, Durant—28

That’s the age of a few stars winning their first title and not their only title.

Let’s just enjoy the ride with a 22year old.

TSonn · 06-07-2021, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by minnesotachill

Thriving in today's NBA is all about connections and relationships.

Players who have been friends for decades are teaming up to take on megastars like Lebron and Doncic

I feel this may be where Luka will struggle the most his career, coming from overseas with very few connections.

I can think of one other international player who might be looking for a new team after getting bounced from the playoffs early again.

Can you imagine Giannis + Luka? Would anyone else win over the next decade?

minnesotachill · 06-07-2021, 08:28 AM

I think Luka + Jokic would be the most realistic combo sometime down the road.

Feel those two could work really well together.

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tjforce Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 23,496	Honest question for the Luka fans and investors here.... Would you be happy if Luka got an all NBA 2nd-3rd team type teammate, say Dame Lillard or Bradley Beat, but it meant Luka's usage goes down and he loses about 2-3 points and 1 assist per game? Or would you rather him be the only star on his team and get to eat all he wants? __________________ "Whether you like it or not, learn to love it, because it’s the best thing going. Wooooo!"

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drobfan8 Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 17,849 drobfan8 drobfan8	Luka could get someone else legit and his numbers would still be around that 28/9/9 because he would become more efficient. He will continue to get better. They need the best big they can get. Do whatever they need to do to get one. Cuban coming out and saying he won't fire Rick is a bit silly. You can make a change just to make a change. You also can't just have Luka pulling ALL the strings on the court. Some fresh energy in the coaches box would be wise. Hell Kidd may do a great job. __________________ Wanted, 03/04 Exquisite Base Gold Tim Duncan and 05/06 Exquisite Base Gold /25 Michael Jordan

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,354	More #@#@#@#@ posting from tj. Like anybody would take what we have now versus getting some real help and shaving some stats off. Might as well ask you if you'd rather have Ben Simmons learn how to do more than just dunk, or just win a title while he averages 12ppg. __________________ I love PSA!

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ThePackLife Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,001	Luka needs to win a title at some point cause there's so many haters now that he might end up getting the same treatment Westbrook gets in the hobby. __________________ FOMO is REAL!

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nappyd Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 505	Porzingis is a shell of the guy everyone was mad at the Knicks for trading away. Luka's running that show on his own and won't get much deeper without more help. Until then it's time to buy the dip on Luka now that he's done with the playoffs and hope no one tries to compare him to stars still in playoffs like Trae Young.

06-06-2021, 11:06 PM	#21430
nxkard Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 1,724	On a strictly positive note, as a sports lover without teams I root for, I'm really grateful Luka has brought out the fan in me.... Can't wait for witness his next steps in 21-22. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

06-07-2021, 07:24 AM	#21442
Sjpwa Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Australia Posts: 102 Sjpwa888	Luka to the Lakers. Small chance.

06-07-2021, 08:17 AM	#21447
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,889	Thriving in today's NBA is all about connections and relationships. Players who have been friends for decades are teaming up to take on megastars like Lebron and Doncic I feel this may be where Luka will struggle the most his career, coming from overseas with very few connections. __________________ Buying: Lebron Retro Inserts!!!

06-07-2021, 08:19 AM	#21448
byronscott4ever Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 11,417	Kareem, Wade, Bird—24 Pippen—25 Curry, Lebron —27 Shaq, Jordan, Durant—28 That’s the age of a few stars winning their first title and not their only title. Let’s just enjoy the ride with a 22year old.

06-07-2021, 08:28 AM	#21450
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,889	I think Luka + Jokic would be the most realistic combo sometime down the road. Feel those two could work really well together. __________________ Buying: Lebron Retro Inserts!!!