Yordan Alvarez

[Rom Washentum]

Originally Posted by noaskiecards

To me DH makes him less injury prone

I'm sure Eloy collectors would have been okay with him playing DH than leaping over the wall that day

Any guy in the outfield is one diving play away from impacting their entire career

Unless you win gold gloves, nobody remembers your routine catches in left field

I'd like to see him at first base a little tho

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Thanks for bringing up this point. I do think being a DH holds him back in the short term since it's nearly impossible to put up one of those eye-popping 8+ WAR seasons, but as someone who I'm excited to watch for years to come, I don't mind since it should help him age gracefully. Not every position player can make the switch to DH when they get to their mid-30s. Guys that succeed in the unique nature of it can play a long time at a high level.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

PSA's bright red is far more obtrusive than CSG's green when you have both in hand.

Not to someone who is used to PSA's label.

He's had one surgery to correct one issue that he played with for years, that's hardly injury prone. The times he's landed on the IL this year were due to covid precautions, not actual injuries. Unless he reinjures his knee or he has other issues that take him out, he hasn't really earned that label at this point

He's had knee issues throughout his entire minor league career and it caused him to miss games his rookie season and had the season ending surgery to hopefully correct it last year. Knee problems in your early 20s are a HUGE warning sign. It would be nice if you just flip a switch and surgically make knees good as new but that's not how it usually works.

The point about being a DH is fair, although since he's 23 there's still potential to develop and play the field. I could see him becoming a 1B at some point in the next few years.

You just made that one up . Just because someone is an all time terrible fielder doesn't mean they can just develop into a first baseman. Yes he's that bad that they've never even bothered to try

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

The point about being a DH is fair, although since he's 23 there's still potential to develop and play the field. I could see him becoming a 1B at some point in the next few years.

Yep, Big Papi vibes. I think he'll be 1B/DH in the long run. They just don't need him at 1B right now.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by noaskiecards

To me DH makes him less injury prone

That's what makes it scarier. The guy doesn't play the field and still has been constantly plagued by bad knees. Standing in the box hitting is doing him in. That's Greg Oden level knees.

[ddearing]

Originally Posted by BBases31

That's what makes it scarier. The guy doesn't play the field and still has been constantly plagued by bad knees. Standing in the box hitting is doing him in. That's Greg Oden level knees.

Yup. I think we should all agree with this and stop bidding on his cards. No future here. Based on what we have seen at the major league level, Luis Robert makes a lot more sense for the smart investment money.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by BBases31

That's what makes it scarier. The guy doesn't play the field and still has been constantly plagued by bad knees. Standing in the box hitting is doing him in. That's Greg Oden level knees.

Consistently plagued by bad knees? He hit 27/78 in 87 games in 2019 with bad knees....he waited on surgery. He was only 21 at that time....since surgery he has been better than any Dodgers player in 2021 with a consistent .300 BA.

So unless Covid is an injury...? I dont see your logic. Comparing him to Oden is like comparing a canoe to a yacht.

He’s only 23 and already proving his new knees are robotic. Plagued by bad knees if far fetched from reality.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Consistently plagued by bad knees? He hit 27/78 in 87 games in 2019 with bad knees....he waited on surgery. He was only 21 at that time....since surgery he has been better than any Dodgers player in 2021 with a consistent .300 BA.

So unless Covid is an injury...? I dont see your logic. Comparing him to Oden is like comparing a canoe to a yacht.

He’s only 23 and already proving his new knees are robotic. Plagued by bad knees if far fetched from reality.

Don't try arguing. He's just POMO'd he didn't buy when he should have.

[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Don't try arguing. He's just POMO'd he didn't buy when he should have.

To be fair, his prices haven't moved.....

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[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by SGC300ier

To be fair, his prices haven't moved.....

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That's true, and I've been buying quite a bit.

[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

That's true, and I've been buying quite a bit.

I bought a few things in the off season. A few base psa 10s, a couple of golds psa, a refractor psa 10 and a psa 10 finest flashback.

Waiting for people to take notice that hes an excellent hitter lol

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[ddearing]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

That's true, and I've been buying quite a bit.

Stop it! I said that we should STOP buying his stuff. Why aren't you listening to me?

Unrelated, I was able to pick up another 15 of his Heritage Chrome Refractor RC's /571 this past weekend, bringing me up to somewhere in the 30-40 range, I think.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by ddearing

Stop it! I said that we should STOP buying his stuff. Why aren't you listening to me?

Unrelated, I was able to pick up another 15 of his Heritage Chrome Refractor RC's /571 this past weekend, bringing me up to somewhere in the 30-40 range, I think.

I'm pretty much tapped out now!

[noaskiecards]

Originally Posted by BBases31

That's what makes it scarier. The guy doesn't play the field and still has been constantly plagued by bad knees. Standing in the box hitting is doing him in. That's Greg Oden level knees.

Got to say this really convinced me his stuff should be cheaper

If anyone wants to sell me some nice graded stuff of yordan I guess I'll buy it cheap as a charity just for the PC as an astros fan

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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Not to someone who is used to PSA's label.

Have you actually held one in your hand? Just curious, because that changes everything for most people.

Originally Posted by BBases31

He's had knee issues throughout his entire minor league career and it caused him to miss games his rookie season and had the season ending surgery to hopefully correct it last year. Knee problems in your early 20s are a HUGE warning sign. It would be nice if you just flip a switch and surgically make knees good as new but that's not how it usually works.

It's his patella tendon where he had a partial tear, and yes while he's had pain from it in the past, I don't believe he missed any significant time from it until last year when he finally underwent the procedure to correct it. If his patella had a full tear, that would be a much bigger concern. A partial tear has a high success rate for full recovery if surgery is performed right away, which did occur. So far, it appears he's had a full recovery and he's reporting no pain like he's had in previous years which is a sign he shouldn't have subsequent problems with that tendon.

Unless he does tear it again after the corrective surgery, you're speculating on the future degradation of that knee when all reports indicate the likelihood of reinjury is low.

Originally Posted by BBases31

You just made that one up . Just because someone is an all time terrible fielder doesn't mean they can just develop into a first baseman. Yes he's that bad that they've never even bothered to try

Well of course I did. Speaking of making things up...

If I remember right, he actually did have some fielding starts in 2019, but what's actually kept him off the field was the pain from his knees, not because "he's that bad" at fielding. You just made that up.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/tex...1-15981847.php

“It’s shown in the past that whenever he plays in the outfield, he’s hurting for two or three days,” Baker said on Friday. “Who knows. That’s very speculative as to how much he’s going to play or how he’s going to feel. We’re a long ways from making that determination, I think. We’re just trying to get him on the field as the DH first.”

Considering they've taken a slow approach so far with him to make sure they aren't putting too much force on his knees too soon, they plan on keeping him off the field this year and revisit next year, but the plan is to try him in the field longer-term if there is no residual pain.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Don't try arguing. He's just POMO'd he didn't buy when he should have.

Oh yea. Real bummed I was buying Ohtani and Mookie instead

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Consistently plagued by bad knees? He hit 27/78 in 87 games in 2019 with bad knees....he waited on surgery. He was only 21 at that time....since surgery he has been better than any Dodgers player in 2021 with a consistent .300 BA.

There is no doubting his talent. He's definitely top 10 and easily could be a top 3 hitter this season.

He’s only 23 and already proving his new knees are robotic. Plagued by bad knees if far fetched from reality.

He had the same knee issues in the minors. It's a many years ordeal he's been fighting. I hope it's behind him.

[ddearing]

Since we've decided he's a bum, I thought I would share these before I put them in the discount box. Haven't shown these before.

IMG_9198 by Dan Dearing, on Flickr

[rngrdanny22]

What are those out of? /5?

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

Have you actually held one in your hand? Just curious, because that changes everything for most people.

I have not.

Unless he does tear it again after the corrective surgery, you're speculating on the future degradation of that knee when all reports indicate the likelihood of reinjury is low.

That's great news then. Usually knee and back issues are the ones that linger for careers.

If I remember right, he actually did have some fielding starts in 2019, but what's actually kept him off the field was the pain from his knees, not because "he's that bad" at fielding.

The making it up was trying him at 1B. It is because he's that bad at fielding despite them wanting to be cautious with knees.

Considering they've taken a slow approach so far with him to make sure they aren't putting too much force on his knees too soon, they plan on keeping him off the field this year and revisit next year, but the plan is to try him in the field longer-term if there is no residual pain.

If they get him on the field at all it won't be for more than a handful of games a year like JD does now.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by ddearing

Since we've decided he's a bum

Come on guy I said he's one of the best hitters in the game. Just has a little baggage for now that affects his card values. Everyone in here is all "er why aren't his chrome autos triple? So cheap!". I'm solving the mystery for the stumped people here

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by BBases31

I have not.

PSA groupie 4 lyfe.

At least you're loyal...

Originally Posted by BBases31

The making it up was trying him at 1B. It is because he's that bad at fielding despite them wanting to be cautious with knees.

Right, it's what BBases31 on BO says it is not what his coach says it is.

I'll go with the coach not the random internet poster...

[ddearing]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

What are those out of? /5?

No. /10.
I keep an eye out, but it's been a while since any have come up for sale. It's a bit off the beaten path...

[magmaster21]

Originally Posted by BBases31

You've got quite the broad definition of "little attention". He's an injury prone DH who is forced to sit in a minimum 20 games a year(interleague play). His TC auto is $90, that's not cheap. He's probably one of the 5 best hitters in the league but those are a whole lot of strings attached. I hope he can stay healthy

I don't think he stays DH forever... and as others have said, I don't see him as "injury prone"

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by BBases31

That's great news then. Usually knee and back issues are the ones that linger for careers..

[Ray27Ray52]

It's to acknowledge that his knee issues are probably never going to go away and that they will probably shorten his career AND that he is one of the best hitters in the game. Both points are true.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

PSA groupie 4 lyfe.

At least you're loyal...

I do not like graded cards and rarely buy them. Sometimes I have to.

Right, it's what BBases31 on BO says it is not what his coach says it is.

I'll go with the coach not the random internet poster...

I'd assume you know enough about Alvarez to know how bad of a fielder he is . Rather just assuming he's OK out there because his coach gave an additional injury reason and didn't trash his own player as one of the worst fielders in the league