2023-24 NBA Season Thread

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JRX

It's 5 months until it matters. They're all making the playoffs barring catastrophic injuries. This is all just going through the motions. If you're going all out in Nov, you're a fool.

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Sure, early in the season no doubt.

But I don't buy the argument that players and/or teams aren't trying to win games as best they can in November and that's a reason why some of them aren't looking like real contenders. If anything, I would argue that if your premise is correct, that's just another reason why they're not anywhere close to the 1A line.

If you're watching LAx2, PHI, DAL, ATL, NYK, MIA, SAC, GSW, MIN etc. (the good but not great teams for example) ... does anyone believe these teams have a shot if their opponents are healthy? The Lakers were swept by Denver last year, LeBron + AD are a year older, negative Net already this year but they're gonna find a way to beat the Nuggets four times?

I believe there to be clear separation this season, which I don't think anyone saw last season.

[JRX]

It's the same in all sports now, nobody cares if you're playing the best at the start of the season. It's all just make the playoffs and go on a run.

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[Bunny Hop]

Morning, y'all. I mainly post in the baseball forums but I do love me some hoops. Is there a way to listen to team radio broadcasts throughout the league? MLB has an inexpensive radio option -- is there something like that for the Association? At a glance I didn't see an option on the NBA site.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Bunny Hop

Morning, y'all. I mainly post in the baseball forums but I do love me some hoops. Is there a way to listen to team radio broadcasts throughout the league? MLB has an inexpensive radio option -- is there something like that for the Association? At a glance I didn't see an option on the NBA site.

league pass

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JRX

It's the same in all sports now, nobody cares if you're playing the best at the start of the season. It's all just make the playoffs and go on a run.

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MLB / NHL ... absolutely true. Playoffs and the style of the sport means that all you need to do is sneak into the playoffs and you've got a shot. NFL not as much. The post-season style of a single-game elimination does offer some opportunity for the worse teams but it's very rare for a five or six-seed to win a SB.

But it's 100% not true in the NBA. The Champion is almost always the best team in the league and if not the best, one of the best 2-3 because even with expanded playoffs, good teams win series because basketball is different than the other pro sports.

80 years of NBA rings, and TWICE has the winner not been a top-3 conference seed. '69 Celtics were a 4 / '95 Rockets were a 6. The idea that team X can float as a 45-win #7 seed and turn it on in the post-season has never been proven to be true.

[Bunny Hop]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

league pass

Clicking around I found a link on the League Pass site for NBA Audio -- looks like it's $10 for the season, which is maybe exactly what I'm looking for. But I'm having a lot of difficulty finding out details about it.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

MLB / NHL ... absolutely true. Playoffs and the style of the sport means that all you need to do is sneak into the playoffs and you've got a shot. NFL not as much. The post-season style of a single-game elimination does offer some opportunity for the worse teams but it's very rare for a five or six-seed to win a SB.



But it's 100% not true in the NBA. The Champion is almost always the best team in the league and if not the best, one of the best 2-3 because even with expanded playoffs, good teams win series because basketball is different than the other pro sports.



80 years of NBA rings, and TWICE has the winner not been a top-3 conference seed. '69 Celtics were a 4 / '95 Rockets were a 6. The idea that team X can float as a 45-win #7 seed and turn it on in the post-season has never been proven to be true.

Well last year you had the heat go on a run. No they had no chance vs den, but that's what all the tier 2 teams are trying to do, make the playoffs and see if they get hot. I was being generous. The truth is the NBA really isn't worth watching until late May unless you just like to see a basketball game.

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[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by Bunny Hop

Clicking around I found a link on the League Pass site for NBA Audio -- looks like it's $10 for the season, which is maybe exactly what I'm looking for. But I'm having a lot of difficulty finding out details about it.

SiriusXM has every game too

[Bunny Hop]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

SiriusXM has every game too

Thanks. I'm getting the impression that the NBA Audio is a defunct service that still has a live subscription link for whatever reason (unless anyone knows otherwise?). Since the NBA League Pass page is so light on certain details, can anyone tell me if the radio broadcasts are archived and available on demand? I'm guessing Sirius is only live streams and not on demand?

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

MLB / NHL ... absolutely true. Playoffs and the style of the sport means that all you need to do is sneak into the playoffs and you've got a shot. NFL not as much. The post-season style of a single-game elimination does offer some opportunity for the worse teams but it's very rare for a five or six-seed to win a SB.

But it's 100% not true in the NBA. The Champion is almost always the best team in the league and if not the best, one of the best 2-3 because even with expanded playoffs, good teams win series because basketball is different than the other pro sports.

80 years of NBA rings, and TWICE has the winner not been a top-3 conference seed. '69 Celtics were a 4 / '95 Rockets were a 6. The idea that team X can float as a 45-win #7 seed and turn it on in the post-season has never been proven to be true.

This is 100% true. One of the things that I love about the NBA is that most often than not, the best team ends up winning the championship. Or at least the 2nd best. And the teams playing for the championship end up being two of the Top 5 almost every time.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Guys like Draymond see two possible outcomes in the end.

Run into someone else who finally puts them in their place.

Or accidentally seriously hurt someone like Matt Petgrave.

They can also keep doing it, get away with it and retire. I won't be shocked if Draymond plays 3-4 more years and decides to retire when Steph does.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

MLB / NHL ... absolutely true. Playoffs and the style of the sport means that all you need to do is sneak into the playoffs and you've got a shot. NFL not as much. The post-season style of a single-game elimination does offer some opportunity for the worse teams but it's very rare for a five or six-seed to win a SB.

But it's 100% not true in the NBA. The Champion is almost always the best team in the league and if not the best, one of the best 2-3 because even with expanded playoffs, good teams win series because basketball is different than the other pro sports.

80 years of NBA rings, and TWICE has the winner not been a top-3 conference seed. '69 Celtics were a 4 / '95 Rockets were a 6. The idea that team X can float as a 45-win #7 seed and turn it on in the post-season has never been proven to be true.

We literally just saw it with Miami lol. We've seen it with the Lakers... We've seen it multiple times in the last 5 years alone.

We're going to see it more often now because of "load management".

[GOATcards]

winning a ring and turning it on in the postseason aren't the same thing. we did just see 7th and 8th seeds make deep playoff runs but they didn't come close to beating the nuggets

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

We literally just saw it with Miami lol. We've seen it with the Lakers... We've seen it multiple times in the last 5 years alone.

We're going to see it more often now because of "load management".

- Lakers were a completely different team post-trade though.
- Miami's run was impressive but also very lucky. They hit their 3s at an above average rate and they would've been gone in the 1st round. Sometimes need only need to get lucky in one round to make it far.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

- Lakers were a completely different team post-trade though.
- Miami's run was impressive but also very lucky. They hit their 3s at an above average rate and they would've been gone in the 1st round. Sometimes need only need to get lucky in one round to make it far.

you're just putting asterisks on it and I was only sharing that it did and does happen.

To say that it never happens is factually incorrect.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

you're just putting asterisks on it and I was only sharing that it did and does happen.

To say that it never happens is factually incorrect.

No, we didn't see it with the Lakers and we didn't see it with Miami. If you want to argue that mid teams can go on post season runs ... I agree. But they can't win. And if you're arguing that LAL or MIA were close to winning last year, that's just not reality. Proximity to the title because of the playoff structure is not the same as being close.

Miami and LA were not close.

[daeve]

Sabonis is 8-0 vs AD... and with Schroeder gone, nobody on the Lakes has the footspeed to keep up with Fox. I just don't see many teams the Lakers can upset in the West barring a big trade.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

you're just putting asterisks on it and I was only sharing that it did and does happen.

To say that it never happens is factually incorrect.

I don't think the point is that it never happens. It's the whole concept of teams having an "extra" gear for the playoffs so you can easily see 43-45 win teams contending for the title.

You can see 7th or 8th seeds contending nowadays but it's because of a very specific reason that has nothing to do with them trying harder, being focused or whatever (luck, trades).

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No, we didn't see it with the Lakers and we didn't see it with Miami. If you want to argue that mid teams can go on post season runs ... I agree. But they can't win. And if you're arguing that LAL or MIA were close to winning last year, that's just not reality. Proximity to the title because of the playoff structure is not the same as being close.

Miami and LA were not close.

you didn't say that. you said "The idea that team X can float as a 45-win #7 seed and turn it on in the post-season"

which is factually incorrect. turning it on =/= winning a ring. and being "close" to winning isn't a measure of anything

If you meant that no team has limped their way into the playoffs and won a ring, you should have said that.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I don't think the point is that it never happens. It's the whole concept of teams having an "extra" gear for the playoffs so you can easily see 43-45 win teams contending for the title.

You can see 7th or 8th seeds contending nowadays but it's because of a very specific reason that has nothing to do with them trying harder, being focused or whatever (luck, trades).

Making the finals is absolutely contending for a title. We can only measure how "close" or not after the fact.

[Above the Rim]

I do infact just like to see a basketball game. Because I like basketball, it is worth watching. The players are amongst the very finest all around athletes in the world. Amazing what they can do.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Making the finals is absolutely contending for a title. We can only measure how "close" or not after the fact.

Might as well just have Den play Bos now then, cancel the rest of the season and put everyone in the lottery.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by JRX

Might as well just have Den play Bos now then, cancel the rest of the season and put everyone in the lottery.

That's basically how people are talking. Why even play games at that point. Just fast forward right to the finals

hopefully all the players already got the memo they have no chance

[JRX]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

That's basically how people are talking. Why even play games at that point. Just fast forward right to the finals

hopefully all the players already got the memo they have no chance

That's why load management is such an issue. The nba has always lacked parity, but teams used to all play hard. Now everyone knows the regular season is a joke.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Making the finals is absolutely contending for a title. We can only measure how "close" or not after the fact.

I never said that. I think Miami and the Lakers were title contenders.

I was talking about how these teams were able to contend being so mid in the regular season. For the Heat, it was luck in the first round. For the Lakers, it was the mid season trade. It wasn't them coasting and taking it easy so they can take it up a notch in the playoffs.