2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Clark

Maybe Trump was trying to focus the best deal for American people and not dictate how China runs their country? Don't the Chinese people have an obligation to stand up and say these camps are wrong?

Or maybe the USA should just bomb China due to "humanitarian concerns".

The vietnam war was wrong but dictating China's government is right. The left sometimes has a hard time keeping their stances consistent.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by mike1498

The vietnam war was wrong but dictating China's government is right. The left sometimes has a hard time keeping their stances consistent.

They don't want you to know that Trump has actually sanctioned China, but only after he got a great trade deal for our country. Somehow, that's a bad thing.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

They don't want you to know that Trump has actually sanctioned China, but only after he got a great trade deal for our country. Somehow, that's a bad thing.

We've had this discussion as I opposed his tactics (I don't support tariffs) but I just find it ironic they want america to get their nose into something else.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Are any of us surprised by anything he does at this time?

He’s a steaming pile for sure, but not for this.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Stop using ‘black-on-black’ crime to deflect away from police brutality

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...brutality.html

No deflecting just stating the real issue.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

No deflecting just stating the real issue.

In fact, "police brutality" is a deflection all by itself.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Funko Pop is all that will remain.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

1. Trump puts the American people first with a huge, favorable trade deal
2. The Trump administration is the only one on earth to impose sanctions against China for the Xinjiang issue

But American liberals? "Disgusted". The truth, though, is that they couldn't care less about Xinjiang or the people there. Just another chance to take a shot at Trump and hope that people don't actually read the articles.

Whoa, let's pump the brakes here.

The trade deal with China is a joke. Economics 101 says tariffs do not work. It crushed our farmers. The terms of the deal were widely regarded as unrealistic.

To be fair, covid hasn't done anyone any favors. But even to judge the deal pre-covid shows it's been a borderline failure so far.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Whoa, let's pump the brakes here.

The trade deal with China is a joke. Economics 101 says tariffs do not work. It crushed our farmers. The terms of the deal were widely regarded as unrealistic.

To be fair, covid hasn't done anyone any favors. But even to judge the deal pre-covid shows it's been a borderline failure so far.

Interesting. Here we have farmers pissed that our government has not helped. In radio ads they are stating that "even Trump" has helped yours.

Honestly, I don't know enough about the issue to discuss.

I don't like Trumps rhetoric. However, as a Nationalist I appreciate his concern for the American economy. China has been doing pretty good in global trade for so long that the man cannot undue the harm it has caused the working class in 1 term. I don't even think he can undue it with 2.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by Clark

Interesting. Here we have farmers pissed that our government has not helped. In radio ads they are stating that "even Trump" has helped yours.

Honestly, I don't know enough about the issue to discuss.

I don't like Trumps rhetoric. However, as a Nationalist I appreciate his concern for the American economy. China has been doing pretty good in global trade for so long that the man cannot undue the harm it has caused the working class in 1 term. I don't even think he can undue it with 2.

One could argue his "concern" for our economy hasn't been much more than short-term tax cuts that have primarily benefited corporations - using another tactic that history has proven unsuccessful: trickle down economics - rather than focusing on real issues our country has like infrastructure and the widening of the income gap between the haves and the have-nots.

Pulling away from China and our current (caution... scare word coming!) "globalist" structure inherently requires a move away from capitalism as we know it. That's going to be a tough pill to swallow.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Economics 101 says tariffs do not work.

It's a little more complicated than that.

I mean, if tariffs only hurt the country enacting them, then why did China retaliate against Trump's tariff by levying their own tariffs?

Too many people trying to boil global macroeconomics down soundbites.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

It's a little more complicated than that.

I mean, if tariffs only hurt the country enacting them, then why did China retaliate against Trump's tariff by levying their own tariffs?

Too many people trying to boil global macroeconomics down soundbites.

Because they have the upper hand. They can also manipulate their currency need be. We can’t

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Because they have the upper hand. They can also manipulate their currency need be. We can’t

This only injects more nuance into the discussion than "101 tariffs don't work."

Which is the point being made.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by mattglet

One could argue his "concern" for our economy hasn't been much more than short-term tax cuts that have primarily benefited corporations - using another tactic that history has proven unsuccessful: trickle down economics - rather than focusing on real issues our country has like infrastructure and the widening of the income gap between the haves and the have-nots.

Pulling away from China and our current (caution... scare word coming!) "globalist" structure inherently requires a move away from capitalism as we know it. That's going to be a tough pill to swallow.

I agree with most of what you stated. All of Trumps faults aside, I believe your upcoming election is about Nationalism vs Globalism. I understand it is complicated, and Western politicians with their multi national corporate friends aligning with globalization, he is in for a fight.

There are too many issues for his admin to address in the short term, he has to pick his fights. As much as he likes to flout his prowess, he is not exactly negotiating from a position of strength with China. Unfortunately, his ego can get in the way. It doesn't help, but I think the USA needs to look at the big picture (same with us) and understand it takes some time.

I heard a good analogy on a podcast the other day. The host stated that Trump is like a battering ram. Pounding away at the global structure that has destroyed the working class. When he hits term limits, hopefully he has broken enough doors open for the next Nationalist to be more unifying or "Presidential".

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

It's a little more complicated than that.

I mean, if tariffs only hurt the country enacting them, then why did China retaliate against Trump's tariff by levying their own tariffs?

Too many people trying to boil global macroeconomics down soundbites.

Politicians just always have to “do something” and not look weak, so they retailiate in kind. Tariffs hurt both sides.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Clark

I heard a good analogy on a podcast the other day. The host stated that Trump is like a battering ram. Pounding away at the global structure that has destroyed the working class. When he hits term limits, hopefully he has broken enough doors open for the next Nationalist to be more unifying or "Presidential".

Yeah, sure, 30 years from now, maybe.
I think most people will be rightly leery of nationalists for the foreseeable.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

This only injects more nuance into the discussion than "101 tariffs don't work."

Which is the point being made.

No one said tariffs don't work. It is a true statement that they hurt both countries though. There are nuances on how to reduce your exposure but that does not change the fact that tariffs hurt both countries.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Yeah, sure, 30 years from now, maybe.
I think most people will be rightly leery of nationalists for the foreseeable.

I understand the skepticism, but you got to start somewhere in the best interests of your country. I see the man as trying to stop the runaway gap between the haves and the have nots.

Capitalism has it faults and there is some room for improvement, but it is the best system we have. It is a system of freedom and liberty.

When I look at the political climate in the US and Canada, it is concerning. Where are we heading?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Not going to even try to discuss it with you, we arent going to agree. So hopefully for you he will be gone in November and we can put up with your socialist buddy Biden

That big, bad word “socialist”.

Hypothetically speaking, what would you say if Trump gave farmers a hand out for his failed trade policy?

Oh, wait.....

#TrumpFailed

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Clark

I understand the skepticism, but you got to start somewhere in the best interests of your country. I see the man as trying to stop the runaway gap between the haves and the have nots.

Capitalism has it faults and there is some room for improvement, but it is the best system we have. It is a system of freedom and liberty.

When I look at the political climate in the US and Canada, it is concerning. Where are we heading?

See him instead as a wannabe mob boss, stumbling and bumbling his way through a job he lacks even the most basic skills to handle.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Clark

I agree with most of what you stated. All of Trumps faults aside, I believe your upcoming election is about Nationalism vs Globalism. I understand it is complicated, and Western politicians with their multi national corporate friends aligning with globalization, he is in for a fight.

There are too many issues for his admin to address in the short term, he has to pick his fights. As much as he likes to flout his prowess, he is not exactly negotiating from a position of strength with China. Unfortunately, his ego can get in the way. It doesn't help, but I think the USA needs to look at the big picture (same with us) and understand it takes some time.

I heard a good analogy on a podcast the other day. The host stated that Trump is like a battering ram. Pounding away at the global structure that has destroyed the working class. When he hits term limits, hopefully he has broken enough doors open for the next Nationalist to be more unifying or "Presidential".

China has not destroyed the middle class. The upper class's wages have been increasing at a lot greater rates than the middle class. Thats a different debate and that debate is if you think Jeff Bezos needs to share more of his worth with his workers. It doesn't have to do with China. Manufacturing is not the reason why Jeff Bezos salary is increasing at higher rates then the middle class salaries were in comparison to 50 years ago.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by pcbuck

There was a random shooting at an intersection about 3 miles from my work last week. An 18 year old black, recent high school graduate, Na'kia Crawford, was killed while waiting in her car at a stoplight with her grandmother.

A witness a the scene said the shooter was a white man. LeBron tweeted about it saying systemic racism must end and that this was a hate crime. Benjamin Crump was retained by the family. He is the high profile attorney representing George Floyd's family.

But, the car the shooter was in had tinted windows. The shooting was primarily in a black neighborhood. Later a photo of the car was shown with the name "Weezy" on the hood,

You see where I'm going with this? The alleged shooter was charged along with 2 others for obstruction. All 3 were black. The alleged shooter's last name is actually Black. Lebron and Crump come in shouting and slither away whispering. The only white man at the scene was the one performing CPR during the COVID 19 pandemic.

I haven't even heard about this until I read it here.

Went to Twitter, no wonder we have a race war going on! The crickets now are loud.

[discostu]

Here's my hot take.

Globalism didn't destroy the middle class. Shareholders destroyed the middle class.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

See him instead as a wannabe mob boss, stumbling and bumbling his way through a job he lacks even the most basic skills to handle.

Lol. The 'correct' way of thinking.

[DegaBama]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esp...3fplatform=amp

Wow.