Retail Hoarders and Extortion

[lauriontj]

Originally Posted by Cardsfan84

You provide no value to any conversation I see you post. Why is someone obligated to follow rules arbitrarily assigned by competitors when the institutions selling the product don't have any rules set? It's nonsense. It's socialism and life's not fair mentality. Give me a break. So I should ask everyone around before I buy all the toilet paper at Wal-Mart? What if someone doesn't get any toilet paper for their kids to open? Oh that's right we aren't talking about toilet paper. We are talking about a hobby luxury item that has a limited supply and an abundance of demand. But why not apply it to everything? Or we could all move to Sweden.

This guy gets it.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Cardsfan84

You provide no value to any conversation I see you post. Why is someone obligated to follow rules arbitrarily assigned by competitors when the institutions selling the product don't have any rules set? It's nonsense. It's socialism and life's not fair mentality. Give me a break. So I should ask everyone around before I buy all the toilet paper at Wal-Mart? What if someone doesn't get any toilet paper for their kids to open? Oh that's right we aren't talking about toilet paper. We are talking about a hobby luxury item that has a limited supply and an abundance of demand. But why not apply it to everything? Or we could all move to Sweden.

Seems like you’re one of those middleman whose hobby purpose is to drive up cost. So what. Is this really worth rambling on about here?

[dodgerfanjohn]

Usually I hate overly simplistic answers, but in this case the supply demand argument is the most correct.

I do understand OP’s gripe. I used to collect toys and there were several product lines that used to pack a variant per case. I’d go to multiple TRU’s the date the shipments came in and multiple times actually saw the product being stocked on the shelf with no variant fig. Ultimately I came to the conclusion that some seller had the San Fernando Valley Walmart’s and TRU’s backdooring product...I found stuff at KB, Kmart, and Target occasionally but never ever at any of the 4 TRU’s or 3 Walmart’s. At that time there was less traffic, the SFV is around 9 miles by 6 miles, and on a weekday off, I could hit all the above listed stores in a day(around 25 total stores). Nowadays it would not be worth my time, like several others have said.

It sucks but it is what it is. It makes things a bit worse when something is already limited and then much of the production is scooped up by vultures only looking to resell. But I’ve done it too...

[Wade Mulroy]

I feel like Charlie Bucket when these threads continuously pop-up.

[Slette]

Originally Posted by agfesc

I don't care what you do for a living or your hustle.

You then go on to completely contradict this statement

[jaysfan80]

Ppl complaining about hoarding and prices need to take a basic economic class..Also plenty of stuff for kids to buy on the shelf. If your kid is crying because they don't have Prizm and has to get Hoops instead, well that's on you.

[Wiseguy917]

Originally Posted by jaysfan80

Ppl complaining about hoarding and prices need to take a basic economic class..Also plenty of stuff for kids to buy on the shelf. If your kid is crying because they don't have Prizm and has to get Hoops instead, well that's on you.

Definitely more bad parents then prizm these days.

[bounty37h]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

So I guess everyone wants Panini to triple the prices of their products so they stay on the shelves longer, but are still too expensive for everyone that is complaining? There is a market price for a product that is far higher than the cost to make it. Either Panini makes the profit, or collectors/flippers/breakers. I'm usually more pro-regular guy than huge corporation.

In this scenario I wish the companies would make more of the product, gets more out there and secondary resell drops and hopefully kills off some of the breakers/flippers.

[Disco187]

Next year when the basketball rookie class is on a low scale it will be interesting to see if non collectors (all seam to be fat ) are blowing there roll on prizm and optic and wondering why prizm and optic is not selling like it did the year before.


Buy singles , not retail

[OneBuck]

I’m kind of in the middle here. It’s a free market, but at the same time people stalking the reps, getting stuff back doored, weighing boxes etc can have a tendency to take a lot of the fun out of the hobby. I just try to not get caught up in it. If I find something I want at retail I buy it, if I don’t I can live without it.
I am curious how many of the people who are screaming about folks being entitled socialists looking for a participation trophy would be in here screaming themselves if all these retailers put a per customer limit on new product.


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[ThoseBackPages]

none today

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by agfesc

OP here. I see a lot of nasty comments in regards to my post venting my frustrations at just purchasing a few boxes for myself. It's not virtue signaling, there is no snowflake, and no participation is needed. It's greed you turds have turned a simple hobby into. This isn't a race where I'm complaining because I trained and still came in last place. Quite a few of you have the inability to see past your own selfish wants (I want them all) and desires which is the definition of entitlement.

It's taking my son to the store and trying to convince him it's fun but adults have chased the vendor around every county because they "want to retire early." What a crock of SH IT. You're chasing a profit which is perfectly fine. What is also fine is that I can complain that your "fluid morality" sucks the fun out of it for everyone else. If BO and other shops like Dave and Adam's (which I'm sure weighs their mechandise) are scalping too, then shame on them. I really hope most of you get stuck with that product. I'll keep looking for the stores that haven't been raided. Stay shitty you Turds.

* Got my tax return back 3 years ago and bought a case of Panini Draft Contenders with 2 autos per box. Not one hit. Not one. 4 boxes had one auto and 1 box had no auto. This was the year Deshaun Watson was hot. I didn't even get a Deshaun base out of that entire case. I've purchased from D&A about 8 times prior. I never bought from them again.

This comment is why BO forums are special, love this hobby

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by OneBuck

I’m kind of in the middle here. It’s a free market, but at the same time people stalking the reps, getting stuff back doored, weighing boxes etc can have a tendency to take a lot of the fun out of the hobby. I just try to not get caught up in it. If I find something I want at retail I buy it, if I don’t I can live without it.
I am curious how many of the people who are screaming about folks being entitled socialists looking for a participation trophy would be in here screaming themselves if all these retailers put a per customer limit on new product.


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A per customer limit is fine. If a private business wants to make a rule in their store I have no problem with it. Some people would be upset, I think it would solve a lot of these issues.

The back dooring and weighing boxes is a problem though.

[Cardsfan84]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Seems like you’re one of those middleman whose hobby purpose is to drive up cost. So what. Is this really worth rambling on about here?

You can call me whatever you want. Sometimes I buy and rip regardless of what resale value is and sometimes I flip. Middleman or Great American Capitalist is up to you. Maybe the people paying the higher prices are grateful for the opportunity to buy any product at all. These are such one sided arguments.

[allabtsprt]

Let's be real and a tad bit honest here people. Does anyone besides me suspect that at least some of the people raiding the Wal-marts/Targets are the same people that you so joyously post about, take pictures of, ridicule and make fun of in the multiple pack searcher threads? What about the scumbags that buy the product, take out what they want and return the junk leftovers as well as the folks that take out what they want and reseal the packs? Again, there are multiple threads on this as well.

I think a big part of this is certainly an amount of greed, but more importantly there has to be a way to get kids into this hobby. When I was a child, we didn't have this problem because there really was no value in cardboard, but I really did want the best of what was available. Today's kids are smarter, mostly because they hear the adults talk about it. They don't want Big League, they want Prizm and Optic because of the grown-ups, yet they don't have the budget that we do! In my opinion, the best policy is to take a few and leave some for everyone else. It's called paying it forward. Also, in my opinion, the true low lifes, besides the pack searchers, are the ones who get the Excel's employee phone number and delivery schedule so they get all of the product. This is no different than "back dooring the product" which there are also multiple threads on ridiculing them. Bash away!!!

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by allabtsprt

Let's be real and a tad bit honest here people. Does anyone besides me suspect that at least some of the people raiding the Wal-marts/Targets are the same people that you so joyously post about, take pictures of, ridicule and make fun of in the multiple pack searcher threads? What about the scumbags that buy the product, take out what they want and return the junk leftovers as well as the folks that take out what they want and reseal the packs? Again, there are multiple threads on this as well.

I think a big part of this is certainly an amount of greed, but more importantly there has to be a way to get kids into this hobby. When I was a child, we didn't have this problem because there really was no value in cardboard, but I really did want the best of what was available. Today's kids are smarter, mostly because they hear the adults talk about it. They don't want Big League, they want Prizm and Optic because of the grown-ups, yet they don't have the budget that we do! In my opinion, the best policy is to take a few and leave some for everyone else. It's called paying it forward. Also, in my opinion, the true low lifes, besides the pack searchers, are the ones who get the Excel's employee phone number and delivery schedule so they get all of the product. This is no different than "back dooring the product" which there are also multiple threads on ridiculing them. Bash away!!!

The pack searches can't afford to buy out the shelf. Hence, they choices they make in life...

[Cardsfan84]

Originally Posted by allabtsprt

Let's be real and a tad bit honest here people. Does anyone besides me suspect that at least some of the people raiding the Wal-marts/Targets are the same people that you so joyously post about, take pictures of, ridicule and make fun of in the multiple pack searcher threads? What about the scumbags that buy the product, take out what they want and return the junk leftovers as well as the folks that take out what they want and reseal the packs? Again, there are multiple threads on this as well.

I think a big part of this is certainly an amount of greed, but more importantly there has to be a way to get kids into this hobby. When I was a child, we didn't have this problem because there really was no value in cardboard, but I really did want the best of what was available. Today's kids are smarter, mostly because they hear the adults talk about it. They don't want Big League, they want Prizm and Optic because of the grown-ups, yet they don't have the budget that we do! In my opinion, the best policy is to take a few and leave some for everyone else. It's called paying it forward. Also, in my opinion, the true low lifes, besides the pack searchers, are the ones who get the Excel's employee phone number and delivery schedule so they get all of the product. This is no different than "back dooring the product" which there are also multiple threads on ridiculing them. Bash away!!!

You should stop with this nonsense already. I’m finished with this topic and this thread.

[fungi2510]

Originally Posted by allabtsprt

Let's be real and a tad bit honest here people. Does anyone besides me suspect that at least some of the people raiding the Wal-marts/Targets are the same people that you so joyously post about, take pictures of, ridicule and make fun of in the multiple pack searcher threads? What about the scumbags that buy the product, take out what they want and return the junk leftovers as well as the folks that take out what they want and reseal the packs? Again, there are multiple threads on this as well.

I think a big part of this is certainly an amount of greed, but more importantly there has to be a way to get kids into this hobby. When I was a child, we didn't have this problem because there really was no value in cardboard, but I really did want the best of what was available. Today's kids are smarter, mostly because they hear the adults talk about it. They don't want Big League, they want Prizm and Optic because of the grown-ups, yet they don't have the budget that we do! In my opinion, the best policy is to take a few and leave some for everyone else. It's called paying it forward. Also, in my opinion, the true low lifes, besides the pack searchers, are the ones who get the Excel's employee phone number and delivery schedule so they get all of the product. This is no different than "back dooring the product" which there are also multiple threads on ridiculing them. Bash away!!!

I just do not see that there is really another side to this argument. I have barely seen any product on the shelves of my stores, but I do not go searching day after day. I cannot believe people are standing behind guys who are buying up everything in sight then charging 2.5 times as MSRP. There is something very wrong with this trick. If you are seriously driving around from store to store to store to find cards, please find something better to do with your time. You are a bane to this hobby.

[unclemonkey]

Bowman Draft figured this out by steadily raising prices over the years.

I was able to arbitrage 20 cases into a net of 3 cases.

Could have gotten a bit more but sold back to Blowout.

Careful what you wish for or you will be paying $29.99 a box at Target and everybody will lose.

Singles and case breaks for me.

[thewild3]

What bothers me is when you "turds" leave this stuff on the shelf and no one buys it. I come into the store and see this filth. I have no choice but to dig into my life's savings and buy this stuff just to create space so that the rep can come in next time to stock the shelves with newer stuff.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by fungi2510

I just do not see that there is really another side to this argument. I have barely seen any product on the shelves of my stores, but I do not go searching day after day. I cannot believe people are standing behind guys who are buying up everything in sight then charging 2.5 times as MSRP. There is something very wrong with this trick. If you are seriously driving around from store to store to store to find cards, please find something better to do with your time. You are a bane to this hobby.

I’m substantially not caring that much, but I do get where you’re coming from, and the entire actions are fairly high on the loser chain. It’s just not enough money involved to get me off my ass. I have something like a $1500 a year collecting budget/habit so it’s sorta cool when I pull a $100+ card because it extends my collecting budget, but in all it’s not that big a deal. I’m not gonna run all over town for a couple weeks to make $1000. It’s just not money of any consequence to put out that much effort. My times worth much more than $5-15 an hour, and to any adult where it isn’t....sucks to be you I guess. At the same time, I don’t really care much if someone else does it.

The pack searchers are something else. That stuffs downright hillarious.

[babybull]

Up to 9 pages and not one mind has been changed.... Carry on.

[ThoseBackPages]

[hawkfandan]

Originally Posted by Disco187

Buy singles , not retail

100% This

[whoshotjr]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

So I guess everyone wants Panini to triple the prices of their products so they stay on the shelves longer, but are still too expensive for everyone that is complaining? There is a market price for a product that is far higher than the cost to make it. Either Panini makes the profit, or collectors/flippers/breakers. I'm usually more pro-regular guy than huge corporation.

You are not wrong, if more product on the shelves is the goal the options are basically:

* Raise MSRP
* Print more
* Water down retail offering

Example: contenders basketball, still available at Walmart

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