First Buzz: 2023 Topps Pro Debut baseball cards

[wubh]

Originally Posted by bd3d86

Here are some of the better hits from my hobby case that I can remember at the moment:

Echoes Insert (case hit) - Matt/Jackson Holliday

Red Mini Diamonds Refractor #/5 - Marcelo Mayer
Orange Mini Diamonds Refractor #/25 - Joshua Baez, Curtis Mead, and Victor Acosta
Gold Mini Diamonds Refractor #/50 - Junior Caminero and Elly De La Cruz

Gold Foil Autograph #/50 - Jackson Chourio and Jett Williams
Orange Foil Autograph #/25 - Dylan Beavers, Jordan Beck, and Sean McClain
Future Cornerstones Insert Auto #/25 - Yanquiel Fernandez

Pink Foil #/199 - Jackson Holliday

Orange Foil #/25 - Farm Fresh Futures of Spencer Jones

That’s a solid batch of names, low #ed and autos, congrats! My jumbo case last year yielded much worse chrome names and low #ed (2 orange lavas of older guys hitting at the Mendoza line, no insert auto).

Interesting that the Echoes are short printed because the mock up of the Hollidays make it look like something destined for a quarter box.

[Frankp2311]

Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

I bought from D&A and I didn't get a notification either.
Will probably be Thursday or Friday for my Jumbo case.

Looks like D&A deliveries won't happen until early next week.

[cj828282]

So really, which distributors received on time and why? Just a total.

[cj828282]

Tweet from BO:

"Unfortunately, 2023 Topps Pro Debut Baseball Hobby & Jumbo shipments may be delayed due to delays in transit from the manufacturer. Orders will ship when the product arrives in our warehouse processing center. We appreciate your patience and will provide further updates as we receive info from Topps and/or the logistical carrier."

Sure wish I could just cancel my BO order. My LCS is getting this in tomorrow.

[Ajax1723]

Yea I just literally emailed them a minute before that. So frustrating....

[jdhaugh11]

Originally Posted by Frankp2311

Looks like D&A deliveries won't happen until early next week.

Yeah D&A just emailed me, the wait continues!

[setcards]

Originally Posted by cj828282

Tweet from BO:

"Unfortunately, 2023 Topps Pro Debut Baseball Hobby & Jumbo shipments may be delayed due to delays in transit from the manufacturer. Orders will ship when the product arrives in our warehouse processing center. We appreciate your patience and will provide further updates as we receive info from Topps and/or the logistical carrier."

Sure wish I could just cancel my BO order. My LCS is getting this in tomorrow.

That's very disappointing to hear. Was looking forward to ripping on release day or day after. Sounds like it may not be even until next week at this point.

[cj828282]

Just another reason to not buy pre-sale items.

[Frankp2311]

Originally Posted by cj828282

Just another reason to not buy pre-sale items.

Certainly leaning towards not doing it anymore. Is this a message from Topps? Did they purposely delay deliveries to BO and D&A? Seems like others have been breaking this product for over a week now. Something seems off.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Frankp2311

Certainly leaning towards not doing it anymore. Is this a message from Topps? Did they purposely delay deliveries to BO and D&A? Seems like others have been breaking this product for over a week now. Something seems off.

I wonder if they will do anything about the breakers and LCS selling this product before the release date? Since they were threatening to do all these top secret checks on stores and not allowing shops to deal with each other.

Or are we starting to see their favoritism and who they want their cards getting to? Is it a sign of things to come when two of the biggest online retailers don't get their product in time to meet their pre-sale?

[csmtampa]

Originally Posted by cj828282

Tweet from BO:

"Unfortunately, 2023 Topps Pro Debut Baseball Hobby & Jumbo shipments may be delayed due to delays in transit from the manufacturer. Orders will ship when the product arrives in our warehouse processing center. We appreciate your patience and will provide further updates as we receive info from Topps and/or the logistical carrier."

Sure wish I could just cancel my BO order. My LCS is getting this in tomorrow.

Ahh that sucks. My son has been looking forward to this product since before the last delay. He's been asking me everyday if they shipped since he'll be on Fall break later this week and wants to open some boxes!

[Ajax1723]

Originally Posted by cj828282

Just another reason to not buy pre-sale items.

Yea, I'm feeling this too. My last 2 pre-ordered products have been Pro Debut and Ginter, and both either had huge delays after payment and/or were pushed back an abnormally long time.

I can only hope this is a day or two delay. It's frustrating to see these issues happen on products I pre-order....i dodged a bullet by waiting on Stadium Club.

[csmtampa]

Saw someone hit the Dru Jones Farm Fresh 1/1 auto on FB

[bamafan244]

Did 1 box a minute ago.


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[r0yals2012]

Darn, I ordered from BO guess I will have to wait. Exciting to see Brooks Lee in here in Wind Surge jersey. That's one of my PC guys so I will be chasing him.

[jdhaugh11]

Pack odds are listed on Topps site.
The Echoes Inserts are tougher than 1 per case in Jumbo.
Some of the Parallels and autos are actually harder to hit in Jumbo.
A major selling point to me in Jumbo is the exclusive Orange Autos out of 25. You should get 1 per Jumbo case.

[tevans333]

Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

Pack odds are listed on Topps site.
The Echoes Inserts are tougher than 1 per case in Jumbo.
Some of the Parallels and autos are actually harder to hit in Jumbo.
A major selling point to me in Jumbo is the exclusive Orange Autos out of 25. You should get 1 per Jumbo case.

Where do you find the odds listed on the Topps site?

[wubh]

Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

Pack odds are listed on Topps site.
The Echoes Inserts are tougher than 1 per case in Jumbo.
Some of the Parallels and autos are actually harder to hit in Jumbo.
A major selling point to me in Jumbo is the exclusive Orange Autos out of 25. You should get 1 per Jumbo case.

Interesting! Basecardpedia says the orange lava autos last year were 1:66 packs/1:11 boxes so basically every other case.

Nice to see odds go in the right direction for once.

I’m sure eventually somebody will crunch the print run numbers. I’ll be curious to see if that increased and if so, by how much.

[jdhaugh11]

Originally Posted by wubh

Interesting! Basecardpedia says the orange lava autos last year were 1:66 packs/1:11 boxes so basically every other case.

Nice to see odds go in the right direction for once.

I’m sure eventually somebody will crunch the print run numbers. I’ll be curious to see if that increased and if so, by how much.

It's because there are nearly double the number of Chrome autos on the checklist this year.

[jdhaugh11]

Originally Posted by tevans333

Where do you find the odds listed on the Topps site?

http://www.topps.com/odds

[oldgoldy97]

Be ready for a lot of late quarter release dates and then delays to pump up the earnings reports without the costs of delivering the products.

[marterburn]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Be ready for a lot of late quarter release dates and then delays to pump up the earnings reports without the costs of delivering the products.

What does that have to do with a product that's releasing today & is already in the hands of many?

There are SOME issues with jumbos, but it's not everyone.

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[beauspencer]

I know of a couple card shops that had their allocations delivered by a 3rd party driver in a van straight from the factory. Serious supply chain issues. Curious if there's a contract dispute with Fanatics and their contracted carrier(s).

[tevans333]

Looking at the odds, looks like Jumbo is the way to go. The cases are slightly cheaper plus there is a lot more color in a jumbo case vs a hobby case. Base inserts are heavily skewed Hobby, but color goes to Jumbo. Also 60% of hobby autos will be base, whereas 50% of a jumbos case autos will be base.

[marterburn]

Originally Posted by tevans333

Looking at the odds, looks like Jumbo is the way to go. The cases are slightly cheaper plus there is a lot more color in a jumbo case vs a hobby case. Base inserts are heavily screw Hobby, but color goes to Jumbo. Also 60% of hobby autos will be base, whereas 50% of a jumbos case autos will be base.

It's a really nice balance for those looking to spend $30 less on a single box really.

Adding *some* Chrome to Hobby is also a plus & doesn't take much away from Jumbo.

The format changes are a positive here.

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