WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by BestRCs

What do you guys think of the Balor push?

Just right? Too much, too soon? Not enough push?

Just right. He's not some newb to wrestling. He's a long time vet with a big following.

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by BestRCs

What do you guys think of the Balor push?

Just right? Too much, too soon? Not enough push?

Originally Posted by Jericho

Too much too soon. Others on the roster deserved a push before he did. He debuts on RAW and gets the title a month later? Way too fast.

Sometimes it's ok to push a guy right out of the gate. Sometimes it works, and othertimes it doesn't. Balor get's a big push and in the 4 weeks time or whatever since getting called up he's already a superstar in the fans eyes and is an instant star. I'd say, this time it worked and was the right call.

There will always be people who hate guys no matter what, look at the list: Bryan, Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Balor, Ziggler, etc. It goes back to you just can't please anyone.

[mikecamp99]

My guess is the people who can't stand the small guys were fans of the 80's and 90's guys who were jacked up, couldn't really move but had good physique. Otherwise I just don't understand how guys don't like watching wrestlers like Balor, Zayn, Neville, Bryan, Styles, all the cruiserweight guys and even people in NXT like Aries, Nakamura and so on. I know it really is all about what you like, and not everyone has to like the same thing, but just baffles my mind all the hate on Balor all of a sudden.

[mnvikingstwins]

Looks like a Bully Ray turn is coming tonight

[BoxBreaker72]

Rollins has racked up some broken bodies on his resume.

He's hurt quite a few guys. Cena/Sting and now Balor...

Bad luck? Or something else?

[Gurds]

[WalterAZ31]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

My guess is the people who can't stand the small guys were fans of the 80's and 90's guys who were jacked up, couldn't really move but had good physique. Otherwise I just don't understand how guys don't like watching wrestlers like Balor, Zayn, Neville, Bryan, Styles, all the cruiserweight guys and even people in NXT like Aries, Nakamura and so on. I know it really is all about what you like, and not everyone has to like the same thing, but just baffles my mind all the hate on Balor all of a sudden.

couldn't be more wrong. Huge fan of Shawn Michaels and guys like Seth Rollins, Chris Jericho, AJ Styles, Dean Ambrose, etc. , guys that aren't jacked, can fan fly around the ring, but also look the part where they could go toe to toe with guys like Diesel, Reigns, Sid, HHH, Batista, Vader, Undertaker, Cena, Lesnar, and not look completely ridiculous when doing so

[Ty Hope]

Balor is a "strike while the iron is hot" scenerio.

[WalterAZ31]

and how many more times are they going to feed the veterans to Lesnar

only Shield members have been up against him, otherwise its been CM Punk, Undertaker, HHH, Cena, Orton, Big Show. Oh wait, they had Kofi Kingston vs him in some overseas thing on the network. OH BOY

but then there is the problem, who can he possibly have a feud with that would look good. Balor?? i mean really, and even if they could pull off a great match, we all know Lesnar is no longer interested in working with someone to do so. Its apparently its his suplex city/MMA style or the highway

Ziggler, no. Cesaro, no. Kev Owens? Do we really need to see another situation where Bray Wyatt gets buried again? What else is there?

[WalterAZ31]

Also, maybe next time don't have your NXT event in the SAME freaking location as SummerSlam. the crowd was dead last night, except for the Cena/Styles match.

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

couldn't be more wrong. Huge fan of Shawn Michaels and guys like Seth Rollins, Chris Jericho, AJ Styles, Dean Ambrose, etc. , guys that aren't jacked, can fan fly around the ring, but also look the part where they could go toe to toe with guys like Diesel, Reigns, Sid, HHH, Batista, Vader, Undertaker, Cena, Lesnar, and not look completely ridiculous when doing so

So Seth Rollins can go toe to toe with those guys but Balor can't? Based on what? Their both smaller type guys, have big arsenal move sets, fly across the ring, etc.

Wanna book Lesnar vs. Balor and make it look legit, it's easy. Yes, Brock is the big Beast who would crush him if he get's his hands on him. So, Balor uses his agility and quickness to stay out of the reach of Lesnar and striking here and there, along with tiring him out making him chase him all of the ring. You do a couple of spots where Lesnar finally gets his hands on him, does a couple of suplexes or something, then have Balor do his come back. Get Lesnar stunned and on the ground, do some high flying moves to keep Lesnar reeling. From there, you could have any finish you basically want, either David beats Goliath and Balor pins Lesnar, Lesnar makes a comeback and destory's Balor for the win, DQ whatever.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

but then there is the problem, who can he possibly have a feud with that would look good...
Ziggler, no. Cesaro, no. Kev Owens? Do we really need to see another situation where Bray Wyatt gets buried again? What else is there?

I think it depends on the angle that WWE is trying to push. If they go the route of "who else can match up with Lesnar", then I say, go with Owens. Set up the feud at Survivor Series. Interact again in the Rumble. Go for the blow off at Wrestlemania.
If they go the route of "Brock is an out of control monster, who's going to stop him", then go with Cesaro. But Cesaro would need a boost to get there. He can't go straight from the Best of 7 Series with Sheamus, into a feud with monster Lesnar. He would need a big win going into that feud.

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

I think it depends on the angle that WWE is trying to push. If they go the route of "who else can match up with Lesnar", then I say, go with Owens. Set up the feud at Survivor Series. Interact again in the Rumble. Go for the blow off at Wrestlemania.
If they go the route of "Brock is an out of control monster, who's going to stop him", then go with Cesaro. But Cesaro would need a boost to get there. He can't go straight from the Best of 7 Series with Sheamus, into a feud with monster Lesnar. He would need a big win going into that feud.

At this point, it seems the route their going is Lesnar is an absolute animal that can't be stopped or tamed right now, and does whatever he want. Honestly, I don't think there is a guy on the roster right now they can put in a match with him and think he could win, which leads me to believe someone from outside the company will come in and face him. Possibly Goldberg.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

So Seth Rollins can go toe to toe with those guys but Balor can't? Based on what? Their both smaller type guys, have big arsenal move sets, fly across the ring, etc.

Wanna book Lesnar vs. Balor and make it look legit, it's easy. Yes, Brock is the big Beast who would crush him if he get's his hands on him. So, Balor uses his agility and quickness to stay out of the reach of Lesnar and striking here and there, along with tiring him out making him chase him all of the ring. You do a couple of spots where Lesnar finally gets his hands on him, does a couple of suplexes or something, then have Balor do his come back. Get Lesnar stunned and on the ground, do some high flying moves to keep Lesnar reeling. From there, you could have any finish you basically want, either David beats Goliath and Balor pins Lesnar, Lesnar makes a comeback and destory's Lesnar for the win, DQ whatever.

IMO, the problem with Balor/Lesnar is the timeline. That match can only happen on a big 4 PPV (or mayyyybbeee Night of Champions), so who does Balor face, to stay strong until then? Nobody? Does he just sit on the sideline "recuperating" until the build for their match?
Balor could lose a lot of steam, standing around waiting for a Lesnar match.

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

IMO, the problem with Balor/Lesnar is the timeline. That match can only happen on a big 4 PPV (or mayyyybbeee Night of Champions), so who does Balor face, to stay strong until then? Nobody? Does he just sit on the sideline "recuperating" until the build for their match?
Balor could lose a lot of steam, standing around waiting for a Lesnar match.

I was more just creating what a Lesnar vs Balor match could look like if it were to happen. No that match should be a Wrestlemania type match, not a B show PPV.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

At this point, it seems the route their going is Lesnar is an absolute animal that can't be stopped or tamed right now, and does whatever he want. Honestly, I don't think there is a guy on the roster right now they can put in a match with him and think he could win, which leads me to believe someone from outside the company will come in and face him. Possibly Goldberg.

I hope they dont go that route. If they try to go with the "unstoppable monster" story, it immediately defines down everyone else on the roster, by saying that a 50 YO Goldberg is the only one who can slay the dragon.
Going with Goldberg is the easy, throw away, "creative" idea. There is a small handful of potential contenders for Lesnar, but they'd all need a couple of big wins to get into proper position, first (ie, win a #1 contenders match, a battle royal, etc).

[natbornkiller]

what happened to the cesaro match ?

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

I was more just creating what a Lesnar vs Balor match could look like if it were to happen. No that match should be a Wrestlemania type match, not a B show PPV.

Exactly. Agree 100%. That match should be at Mania, though I was also saying that at the least, it should be at a big 4 PPV.
My main problem is that Balor is already at the peak of the mountain. He faced the #1 draft pick and beat him for a belt. How does Balor possibly sit around and maintain the level of heat he would need going into a Mania match with Lesnar? Because as I see it now, Rollins gets the rematch, then Balor moves into a feud with Reigns.
Unless Owens gets elevated or Nakamura makes a quick jump to the main roster, Balor has no immediate threats on the horizon. So, if Lesnar/Finn is going to happen, it needs to happen sooner, rather than later.

Also, FWIW, I think WWE is going to be moving towards Balor/Styles (champ vs champ, brand vs brand) at Mania.

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

and how many more times are they going to feed the veterans to Lesnar

only Shield members have been up against him, otherwise its been CM Punk, Undertaker, HHH, Cena, Orton, Big Show. Oh wait, they had Kofi Kingston vs him in some overseas thing on the network. OH BOY

but then there is the problem, who can he possibly have a feud with that would look good. Balor?? i mean really, and even if they could pull off a great match, we all know Lesnar is no longer interested in working with someone to do so. Its apparently its his suplex city/MMA style or the highway

Ziggler, no. Cesaro, no. Kev Owens? Do we really need to see another situation where Bray Wyatt gets buried again? What else is there?

Samoa Joe.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by natbornkiller

what happened to the cesaro match ?

it was during the kickoff.
here on youtube

[BestRCs]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

Exactly. Agree 100%. That match should be at Mania, though I was also saying that at the least, it should be at a big 4 PPV.
My main problem is that Balor is already at the peak of the mountain. He faced the #1 draft pick and beat him for a belt. How does Balor possibly sit around and maintain the level of heat he would need going into a Mania match with Lesnar? Because as I see it now, Rollins gets the rematch, then Balor moves into a feud with Reigns.
Unless Owens gets elevated or Nakamura makes a quick jump to the main roster, Balor has no immediate threats on the horizon. So, if Lesnar/Finn is going to happen, it needs to happen sooner, rather than later.

Also, FWIW, I think WWE is going to be moving towards Balor/Styles (champ vs champ, brand vs brand) at Mania.

That'd be a great Mania ME.... I just hope they dont have wrestlers in the back or ringside watching ...."pulling for their 'brand'".....

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

Samoa Joe.

At the moment, it seems Lesnar is heel again. So, Lesnar/Joe will probably have to wait.

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

At the moment, it seems Lesnar is heel again. So, Lesnar/Joe will probably have to wait.

By mania would be easy to turn Joe face. Set it up starting as a surprise Joe entry at the rumble. Boom, mania match made.

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by BestRCs

That'd be a great Mania ME.... I just hope they dont have wrestlers in the back or ringside watching ...."pulling for their 'brand'".....

Would LOVE that main event. Bullet Club history and all.

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

So Seth Rollins can go toe to toe with those guys but Balor can't? Based on what? Their both smaller type guys, have big arsenal move sets, fly across the ring, etc.

Wanna book Lesnar vs. Balor and make it look legit, it's easy. Yes, Brock is the big Beast who would crush him if he get's his hands on him. So, Balor uses his agility and quickness to stay out of the reach of Lesnar and striking here and there, along with tiring him out making him chase him all of the ring. You do a couple of spots where Lesnar finally gets his hands on him, does a couple of suplexes or something, then have Balor do his come back. Get Lesnar stunned and on the ground, do some high flying moves to keep Lesnar reeling. From there, you could have any finish you basically want, either David beats Goliath and Balor pins Lesnar, Lesnar makes a comeback and destory's Balor for the win, DQ whatever.

This. David vs Goliath scenerios have long been a part of pro wrestling. It could work.