LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - Page 92

frisbeesteve · 12-22-2018, 12:36 AM

Let me begin my first post in this thread with a brief apology for what promises to be, for better or worse, a long read. I have a tendency to be long winded, and that’s not new. Sometimes it’s beneficial (for me and/or others) and sometimes it probably is not. In fact, it’s my own long windedness that sometimes prevents me from participating more than I do on these very forums. I don’t always have the time, or energy, or patience to respectfully and responsibly post, and sometimes I just don’t expect to be able to accomplish enough with the time that I have; so there are definitely times that I remain on the sidelines as a lurker. I’m hoping that most of you will give this at least one read-thru, and a little bit of thought and consideration. I know that’s a lot to ask for, in a thread that often grows faster than a reader who is not even attempting to make posts or reply to others, can keep up with.

Adam's (27guy) return to the thread today, was a relief to me. While I’m sure it was heavy writing for him, it was lighter reading for me. It doesn't necessarily make everything crystal clear (I’m pretty sure nothing will), but it does clear up a number of things for me. Most importantly, and as if I were a juror on a criminal court case - it opens up more of what I would consider as "reasonable doubt" as it pertains to convicting Adam’s character and integrity in this matter.

To me, Adam does seem very intelligent in a number of ways. He seems to be living the “American Dream” in a number of ways - has a loving family and nice job that seem to help afford him the luxury of indulging in our non-essential hobby of cardboard collecting, and even at what most of us would consider the higher end. Intelligence though, does not always necessarily and directly translate over to wisdom. In hindsight now, I believe I can tell that he sees the mistakes he made of becoming so heavily involved in the defense of someone (BNC) that wasn't even a "close" friend (albeit a friend that he considered important to potential future dealings) without more concrete information in front of him. I do believe he was just as interested in finding out who was guilty of trimming here as he was with the unklbnz fiasco. Should he have anticipated the extent to which he might likely be so heavily consumed with everything to do with his involvement in this thread so as to take him away from his family and job? Perhaps, but I'm sure that's a lesson admittedly learned now for him. It makes perfect sense to me that it would have been anywhere from extremely difficult if not actually impossible to keep up with all of the messages (Blowout, text, phone calls) resulting from this thread, not to mention being able to have a head on straight enough to do the hardcore detective work with all of the mixed facts and opinions, pictures and other thread and site references, etc. Understandably, the topic of this thread quickly ballooned into a full-time occupation for anybody that was seriously trying to accomplish anything here. If we take Adam’s complete existence and presence here on the forums into account instead of only certain convenient aspects of it, doesn’t it look likely that he is a passionate collector that happened to be friends with the wrong guy, and then also stick his neck out there for him? Is he really a pump-n-dumper? Not that I’ve witnessed in my time here. Does he seem to be looking to scam or defraud anyone? I don’t think so. Does he bring and share a lot of valuable knowledge and experience to the forums and hobby? I do believe so.

I have now been a Blowout member for going on two years, and began lurking here at least a few months prior to joining. Even though I’ve been in and out of this hobby in varying degrees since late 1993, I’ve actually never really been a big follower or participant in any cardboard-related forums. In my brief time here, I have witnessed a ton of awesomeness, and made some friends – a few of them I consider to be “good” friends. I’ve seen a lot of information sharing, cardboard sharing, friendly advice, and have been blessed to only have smooth BST interactions with everybody I’ve dealt with thus far. These forums are amazing, and that’s because there are a lot of people here with integrity, and that care about the hobby at both ends of the value spectrum, and are NOT looking to scam or rip off the next guy. Yes, there are some trolls that appear in many threads, as there always are in life, but they are generally easy to identify and navigate around in order to benefit from and enjoy the hobby aspects of the forum that it’s intended for. I’ve gotten to see some very impressive detective work done on a number of things, and this thread would be the latest and definitely greatest example. I say all of this to admit that I haven’t been around long enough to witness anywhere near everything that has gone on over the years. However, I’ve seen and read too many things from Adam to believe at this point that he was knowingly standing up for fraud (card trimming), or even attempting to run interference. I believe the hysteria that he did indeed place himself smack dab in the center of while attempting to defend a friend that wouldn’t come in and defend himself, overwhelmed his ability to keep up with all of the information and details, including the two different LeBron RPAs where he was clearly trying to stay focused first on the one that he thought we all had more information about (74/99). The amount of time it was taking me to keep up with the thread JUST AS A LURKER/READER, whilst living a life outside of it was pretty crazy, and I had plenty of trouble keeping all of the information/facts straight as well as trying to consider points of view that were coming in like there was no tomorrow. I had the luxury of shrugging if something didn’t make sense to me, at least at a given point in time. I had the luxury of going to bed when I decided I needed to. Adam did not.

My relationship with Adam is very limited in scope. I’ve done a lot of lurking on the forums, reading threads that he has started or participated in, occasionally participating in a few of them myself. I’ve watched his CC interviews, and had the pleasure of getting to meet him at the National this year. He was as friendly and easy to talk to as I imagined he would be based upon his posts and interviews. He never came across as contrived or calculating to me – just very out in the open about the hobby that I can tell that he loves. As far as actually “dealing” with him goes, we came very close to doing one deal (where I would have been selling to him), but I backed out of it – with his complete blessing. I won’t get into the cancellation reason as it’s irrelevant here, and had absolutely nothing to do with him. He went out of his way to make me feel as comfortable as possible about the deal, including giving me time to think about it as well as cancel if I decided I didn’t “need” to do it. Since I wound up not needing to sell, he graciously allowed me to back away from the deal with absolutely no hard feelings. That whole “almost” deal told me a good amount about the kind of person he was.

I know I need to wrap this post up, and probably should have found a way to try to get my points across in fewer words. The truth is though, we all make mistakes. Sometimes they’re bigger mistakes, and will understandably carry some heavier consequences. My only plea here, is that the great forum members of Blowout will try to consider everything that Adam is and has been, and not just this point in time where he mistakenly tried to defend someone that didn’t deserve defending, and mistakenly couldn’t process and connect the dots himself well enough to recognize that Buybuymj’s messages should absolutely be shared in their unedited entirety with the Blowout community. I realize that my opinions here are likely to raise some eyebrows and ruffle some feathers, and I can live with that. I hope that I won’t lose friends or trust here, but if I do, I can live with that as well. What I decided I couldn’t live with, was sitting back and watching complete character assassination when I don’t believe it’s warranted. Even though I also very much appreciate the valuable input of critics/skeptics like NinjaCookies and OJ amongst others, I hope that even they will be able to consider the merits and benefits of having an Adam in our collecting midst – and especially an older and wiser Adam. In closing, I hope that this thread can get back on topic of trying to continue to uncover the details of the fraudulent card alterations. If anybody would like to PM me or go outside of this thread to discuss any of this further so as to not continue to derail the topic, I’ll be happy to discuss when and as time allows. Thanks for reading.

GeechQuest · 12-22-2018, 12:36 AM

Interesting on the Kobe Gamebreakees is that PSA offers a Guarantee of Grade and Authenticity.

What happens in this scenario? I buy the card for $6K, show PSA they messed up and the card is obviously an altered copy. Now what?

Seems PSA could be on the hook for this one as well. Sad all the way around and extremely lame.

AbraCalabro · 12-22-2018, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 6celtics33

That's an old psa holder on the kobe too right? I guess this has been going on for a long time.

Very important point. Good call to detail.

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

HP used to have Dallas as his location but changed it to LA if I remember correctly.

Also, his DevinKurant ID was banned first, then the HP ID. One member even asked why DK was banned and not HP in this thread after Houdini confirmed they were one in the same.

Just a heads up.

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Originally Posted by WHyFLy

So let me break it down for you from my understanding.

According to Bennett, he was told by Josh Johnson who mediated the phone call between rogermaris and Eric that the Lebron card that Eric had purchased back in 2013 was indeed an RPA but serial numbered 67/99 and not 87/99. I have a screen shot of the text message from Josh to Bennett that I will send if need be.

Additionally, I have a screenshot of text messages from Eric to Bennett which has Eric not denying the purchase of the Lebron and naming Josh mediating the call.

So, Eric states he purchased 87 from Sohrob in 2014; however, he also purchased 67 in 2013. I asked Bennett to contact Eric asking for any sort of paper trail that links him to purchasing 67 in 2013. Bennett tells me on the phone that Eric refuses to give him that information on the grounds that "it won't matter"...

Eric states that the screenshot from 2013 of the 87 was him "co-signing" for another person through his website. This is according to information that Bennett got from Eric in their phone call.

DevinKurant is from Texas and holds a Texas area-code phone number. He is not from California.

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Originally Posted by rebbrooks

I believe HP7163 changed his location from Dallas to L.A. about a month or 2 before he was banned if I remember correctly.

Ok, so what I'm trying to get at is if they're accounts belonging to the same person, why is he claiming two different locations? I just find that odd and coupled with his history on here, I'm confused by his teetering back and forth, for and against, with BNC.

On the matter of 87/99 and BNC's claims, let's just pretend that he actually got the card in his possession in 2014. There is still a 2013 dated screen shot with his logo on there showing clear edge wear. He would still have to know that it was trimmed, even if he acquired it post-trimming. That's a best case scenario. With everything else that's piled up as evidence, however, we can clearly see a common denominator among a lot of expensive trimmed cards...BNC. The guy is dirty.

I think we would all like to see screen shots of BNC saying that he will not share information. However, I will agree with BNC on one thing...and that is, it WON'T matter. Because there is already a vast amount of evidence available. Posting the screen shot of BNC denying DevinKurant evidence of his claims wouldn't even be the cherry on top of the sundae, it would just be an extra cherry on top of the sundae.

By the way, DevinKurant's statements in defense of BNC are still up on the beware.buynicecards social media page...is he going to clarify this new information and his change of heart to everyone on there, or is he going to continue to mislead people? I think it's unanimous in this thread, that BNC is dirty. There is plenty in here to draw that conclusion. I'm going to assume he has not read the thread and is missing vital information, because there is no way someone can be that dense.

Onions · 12-22-2018, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

My understanding has always been that even cashier’s checks do not clear instantly. If I am wrong, I appologize. As that’s what my basis for questioning the same day feedback has been.

They run through the bank like a normal check. But instead of drawing from funds from an account holder, the funds would be drawn from the bank itself since they had already deducted the amount of the check from the account holder.

If you were to deposit a cashiers check, the process is not much different than if you were to deposit a personal check. Honestly, FDS could have written a personal check if they were going to meet at the branch for the transaction. Although, most banks probably don't have an extra $250k on hand to pay out that sort of transaction. Unless they called ahead and arranged for it, of course.

As long as the bank confirmed that the cashiers check was legit, it is about as good as cash.

WHyFLy · 12-22-2018, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Ok, so what I'm trying to get at is if they're accounts belonging to the same person, why is he claiming two different locations? I just find that odd and coupled with his history on here, I'm confused by his teetering back and forth, for and against, with BNC.

On the matter of 87/99 and BNC's claims, let's just pretend that he actually got the card in his possession in 2014. There is still a 2013 dated screen shot with his logo on there showing clear edge wear. He would still have to know that it was trimmed, even if he acquired it post-trimming. That's a best case scenario. With everything else that's piled up as evidence, however, we can clearly see a common denominator among a lot of expensive trimmed cards...BNC. The guy is dirty.

I think we would all like to see screen shots of BNC saying that he will not share information. However, I will agree with BNC on one thing...and that is, it WON'T matter. Because there is already a vast amount of evidence available. Posting the screen shot of BNC denying DevinKurant evidence of his claims wouldn't even be the cherry on top of the sundae, it would just be an extra cherry on top of the sundae.

By the way, DevinKurant's statements in defense of BNC are still up on the beware.buynicecards social media page...is he going to clarify this new information and his change of heart to everyone on there, or is he going to continue to mislead people? I think it's unanimous in this thread, that BNC is dirty. There is plenty in here to draw that conclusion. I'm going to assume he has not read the thread and is missing vital information, because there is no way someone can be that dense.

He has told me he has not read much if the thread since. I am not sure what he is going to do on Instagram, but he had told me personally that he cannot really give Eric any benefit of the doubt after what he was told today. I asked him if he could provide me any screenshots of eric denying him the request for a paper trail.

ljandkg · 12-22-2018, 01:03 AM

High rollers in this thread need their own pic/gif

Who's who?

ninjacookies · 12-22-2018, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

By the way, DevinKurant's statements in defense of BNC are still up on the beware.buynicecards social media page...is he going to clarify this new information and his change of heart to everyone on there, or is he going to continue to mislead people?

I think he has multiple personality disorder, if I'd have to guess. Maybe more.

IIRC he was Dwadecollector all the way from years past. And has been creating batch alts ever since. I also believe he was Giannis and is a few other people in this very thread, as the speech patterns and locations are very easy to pinpoint with him. Used to be pretty cool/chill with his HP alter ego, but after seeing some of his alts emerging with constant drivel, the shtick got old quick. I don't hate him or dislike him, I just think after a certain point you have to grow up and chill. If he just kept it real with one account, I'd be fine with it.

pingbling23 · 12-22-2018, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I think he has multiple personality disorder, if I'd have to guess. Maybe more.

IIRC he was Dwadecollector all the way from years past. And has been creating batch alts ever since. I also believe he was Giannis and is a few other people in this very thread, as the speech patterns and locations are very easy to pinpoint with him. Used to be pretty cool/chill with his HP alter ego, but after seeing some of his alts emerging with constant drivel, the shtick got old quick. I don't hate him or dislike him, I just think after a certain point you have to grow up and chill. If he just kept it real with one account, I'd be fine with it.

Hp was dwadecollector? wow.....

ninjacookies · 12-22-2018, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

Hp was dwadecollector? wow.....

99 percent sure. Someone else can probably confirm. But if you look through all of the posts, they have a very clear pattern regardless how he tries to cover his tracks with different levels of grammar.

alias21 · 12-22-2018, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

YUP.

Too many times in this thread there have been situations that have occurred which are totally out of character for the people involved. I really don't think it's a coincidence.

Nobody can tell someone’s character from their postings on a message board. If you’re dealing in 5-6 figure cards it’s in your best interest to seem like a nice guy. It’s threads like this that those people’s actual characters are exposed when sh*t hits the fan and “respectable” people are shown to be frauds. Then it’s damage control time and hope that too much of the sh*t doesn’t stick to you.

buybuymj · 12-22-2018, 03:18 AM

I think now we're nearing its conclusion.

People have been looking for Sohrob as a potential trimmer, based on what BNC said. It could be BNC, it could be Sohrob, either way. Because BNC claimed he bought the 87/99 from Sohrob in 2014. Then I brought the evidence that shows it was owned by BNC in 2013. We know it doesn't add up. Then according to 27guy, BNC told him like this:

"card 87 I bought in 2013 from sohrob ungraded, I have pics of it as such and i graded it myself,
I'm not sure where that guy got the pic but the edge does look better now, sohrob was pretty new to
cards at the time, seems very unlikely he was trimming 20-30k cards but who know"

There's a saying in my country, like "A lie leads to another lie". Now it seems he has no idea what he's saying. Ironically, that message from 27guy shows that BNC clearly admitted that:

1) It was not a consignment and he actually bought the 87/99 as ungraded (and as untrimmed, as the evidence shows it),
2) Then graded it himself.

I never focused much on what happened between 2013 (when he bought it as untrimmed) and 2015 (trimmed and graded as BGS 9), because of the odds of him purchasing a card of this caliber and sells it, and then reacquiring exactly the same card a little while later is very unlikely.

I already said if BNC bought it as ungraded & untrimmed then sold it to someone (like Sohrob, who's a ghost now) and reacquired it in that short period and didn't notice trimmed edge & corner is IMPOSSIBLE, from my experiences I know that, especially for a card of this caliber, especially for a guy who has a lot of interest in grading. So bought it, sold it and reacquired it in that short period was very unlikely from my point of view, but yes it's still possible, according to BNC, whose claims totally don't add up, that's what I meant it's about one lie, but still it's impossible that he wasn't awared of trmming, that's what I meant it's the whole thing, the bottom line.

Then we're here, thanks to 27guy's new post, according to him, BNC said he bought it as ungraded (and untrimmed as the evidence shows it) and graded it himself. Despite of it's very unlikely and I didn't focus much on what happened between 2013 and 2015, as BNC simply could say like he bought in 2013 or 2014 and sold it to someone and that guy trimmed it and BNC reacquired it, instead of that he actually told 27guy that he bought it in 2013 as ungraded (and untrimmed) and graded it himself. Then who's the guy that could trim the 87/99 between? Other than only one person?

And I already showed evidences that Sohrob was not selling his entire collection in either 2013 or 2014 that's what BNC said he got the 87/99 among them. I'm really not sure what he's saying, probably he isn't either. So people been looking for Sohrob as a potential trimmer based on what "BNC said", because of what "BNC said", it could be Sohrob aka ghost, it could be BNC. We know BNC was fully awared of trimming (and for me, he must know who trimmed them) to say the least, but also want to know who actually trimmed cards. Then we're getting more and more signs that indicate a person not named Sohrob.

LeBron's Exquisite RC 74/99 and 87/99, both are under BNC's possession now.
Then Iverson's SOTT Gold that BNC listed.
Then LeBron's Exquisite Number Pieces 09/23 which was supoosedly in BGS 6 to 8 condition, in PSA 10 holder, under BNC.
Then Kobe's Game Breakers 053/100 PSA 10 which is 100% trimmed.
Then offering 27guy's Giannis Acetate /34 for grading and when it graded 8.5 assuring 27guy that it will get back to 9.

I already asked this. If you mastered trimming, why want to stop that and leave the hobby instead of trying to make a lot of money. His store would be only bigger and bigger.

I already proved that Sohrob was active in collecting until 2015, although BNC claimed he bought Sohrob's entire collection in 2013 or 2014 and the 87/99 was among them.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=815548

I also proved that Sohrob was offering me cards until March 2016.

https://imageshack.com/a/img924/3295/cLsQdY.png

Then I just got a PM from one BO member who's asking that if I was offered the middle card, NT AD Gold /5 BGS 9, yes I was offered from Sohrob like that in the past. That BO member says now it's in BGS 9.5 with quad 9.5 subs. I asked him where he found it and who owns it now, instead of waiting for his response I'd liked to have some research. Yes the picture of that middle card is too small to see, but I clicked that picture in my email inbox and still could download the image in pretty good quality. It was serial numbered 5/5, here it is:

https://imageshack.com/a/img922/4465/0NwVuR.jpg

Then here you go:

https://imageshack.com/a/img923/230/bybsXU.jpg

https://imageshack.com/a/img923/7900/foky4q.png

It was graded in 20th November, 2017. That was the card "The Ghost Magician" Sohrob couldn't get 9.5 himself. November 2017 is way after Sohrob's gone from the hobby. Again, it was/is under BNC's posession.

rogermaris · 12-22-2018, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by WHyFLy

So, Eric states he purchased 87 from Sohrob in 2014; however, he also purchased 67 in 2013. I asked Bennett to contact Eric asking for any sort of paper trail that links him to purchasing 67 in 2013. Bennett tells me on the phone that Eric refuses to give him that information on the grounds that "it won't matter"...

Yeah I'm sure he has better things to do than dig up a piece of evidence that could potentially exonerate him and save his reputation.

shindo03 · 12-22-2018, 03:41 AM

So there you have it Buynicecards just screwed himself of millions of dollars.....if I were you guys I'd start archiving all the cards on his website. Starting now.....all the serial numbers and everything of the graded cards. GO GO GO !!!!!!

SAVEEEEE THE HOBBBBBBBYYYY

shindo03 · 12-22-2018, 03:44 AM

screen shots guys.... Archive archive archive

shindo03 · 12-22-2018, 03:48 AM

I'm so glad I have nothing that this guy previously owned.

alias21 · 12-22-2018, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shindo03

So there you have it Buynicecards just screwed himself of millions of dollars.....if I were you guys I'd start archiving all the cards on his website. Starting now.....all the serial numbers and everything of the graded cards. GO GO GO !!!!!!

SAVEEEEE THE HOBBBBBBBYYYY

But he’s a nice guy!!?! Rookies what do you know?!? You’re reputation is at stake! Divulge all info you have. Bnc smiled at me once. Say it’s not true

shindo03 · 12-22-2018, 03:51 AM

Sorry, this makes me sick to stomach.....now we have a huge chunk of cards that need to be asterisked****..... how did the graders not catch this mess. This is horrible. This is almost worse than the T206 trimming cause this is more than 1 card. This is horrible. Thanks for single handedly ruining the modern basketball card industry by tainting a bunch of "mona lisa" cards.... man that is so horrible.

shindo03 · 12-22-2018, 03:53 AM

If this doesn't bother you in the hobby, I don't know what to say, this is a very sad day in the hobby.... very sad.

shindo03 · 12-22-2018, 03:53 AM

I really hope whoever trimmed these cards goes to jail for fraud....

shindo03 · 12-22-2018, 03:54 AM

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...icle-1.1482098

alias21 · 12-22-2018, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shindo03

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...icle-1.1482098

Hey I understand your concerns. I’ve had concerns as well. But I emailed the seller and they assured me that the card is legit. I even asked my wife and boo yah that card is good.

shindo03 · 12-22-2018, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by alias21

Hey I understand your concerns. I’ve had concerns as well. But I emailed the seller and they assured me that the card is legit. I even asked my wife and boo yah that card is good. Plus the seller told me I’m cute. I mean ooohhh Like he wouldn’t trim and then say I’m cute tights?

It's really not about Adam anymore man.... its about the hobby circulation now....but keep going.... if anyone cares about this hobby they will spread the news on this matter. This is horrible.

theLUCKYshow · 12-22-2018, 04:10 AM

First Wings now buybuymj just wow! This web is just too tangled for Eric to ever get out of. I really hope he comes clean.

Wow. And Sohrob. Ive pointed the finger at him many times throughout this thread. If he's 100% innocent I owe him an apology.

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shindo03 · 12-22-2018, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

First Wings now buybuymj just wow! This web is just too tangled for Eric to ever get out of. I really hope he comes clean.

Wow. And Sohrob. Ive pointed the finger at him many times throughout this thread. If he's 100% innocent I owe him an apology.

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I mean its pretty crystal clear now....dude has soooo many different trimmed cards. buybuymj made it pretty windex for us.

theLUCKYshow · 12-22-2018, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by shindo03

I mean its pretty crystal clear now....dude has soooo many different trimmed cards. buybuymj made it pretty windex for us.

I just hope Eric realizes that. The best thing he can do for the hobby is to come clean so we can know the extent of the damage but that'll never happen because he doesnt want to implicate himself. I wonder if he's lawyered up already.

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ljandkg Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,428	High rollers in this thread need their own pic/gif Who's who? __________________ Garnett jersey #'d count - 424 https://www.flickr.com/photos/152215151@N02/albums/72157685722278255 'KG is a mercenary and Eric Williams was a better Celtic.' - someone on Blowout

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buybuymj Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: South Korea Posts: 52 buybuymj	I think now we're nearing its conclusion. People have been looking for Sohrob as a potential trimmer, based on what BNC said. It could be BNC, it could be Sohrob, either way. Because BNC claimed he bought the 87/99 from Sohrob in 2014. Then I brought the evidence that shows it was owned by BNC in 2013. We know it doesn't add up. Then according to 27guy, BNC told him like this: "card 87 I bought in 2013 from sohrob ungraded, I have pics of it as such and i graded it myself, I'm not sure where that guy got the pic but the edge does look better now, sohrob was pretty new to cards at the time, seems very unlikely he was trimming 20-30k cards but who know" There's a saying in my country, like "A lie leads to another lie". Now it seems he has no idea what he's saying. Ironically, that message from 27guy shows that BNC clearly admitted that: 1) It was not a consignment and he actually bought the 87/99 as ungraded (and as untrimmed, as the evidence shows it), 2) Then graded it himself. I never focused much on what happened between 2013 (when he bought it as untrimmed) and 2015 (trimmed and graded as BGS 9), because of the odds of him purchasing a card of this caliber and sells it, and then reacquiring exactly the same card a little while later is very unlikely. I already said if BNC bought it as ungraded & untrimmed then sold it to someone (like Sohrob, who's a ghost now) and reacquired it in that short period and didn't notice trimmed edge & corner is IMPOSSIBLE, from my experiences I know that, especially for a card of this caliber, especially for a guy who has a lot of interest in grading. So bought it, sold it and reacquired it in that short period was very unlikely from my point of view, but yes it's still possible, according to BNC, whose claims totally don't add up, that's what I meant it's about one lie, but still it's impossible that he wasn't awared of trmming, that's what I meant it's the whole thing, the bottom line. Then we're here, thanks to 27guy's new post, according to him, BNC said he bought it as ungraded (and untrimmed as the evidence shows it) and graded it himself. Despite of it's very unlikely and I didn't focus much on what happened between 2013 and 2015, as BNC simply could say like he bought in 2013 or 2014 and sold it to someone and that guy trimmed it and BNC reacquired it, instead of that he actually told 27guy that he bought it in 2013 as ungraded (and untrimmed) and graded it himself. Then who's the guy that could trim the 87/99 between? Other than only one person? And I already showed evidences that Sohrob was not selling his entire collection in either 2013 or 2014 that's what BNC said he got the 87/99 among them. I'm really not sure what he's saying, probably he isn't either. So people been looking for Sohrob as a potential trimmer based on what "BNC said", because of what "BNC said", it could be Sohrob aka ghost, it could be BNC. We know BNC was fully awared of trimming (and for me, he must know who trimmed them) to say the least, but also want to know who actually trimmed cards. Then we're getting more and more signs that indicate a person not named Sohrob. LeBron's Exquisite RC 74/99 and 87/99, both are under BNC's possession now. Then Iverson's SOTT Gold that BNC listed. Then LeBron's Exquisite Number Pieces 09/23 which was supoosedly in BGS 6 to 8 condition, in PSA 10 holder, under BNC. Then Kobe's Game Breakers 053/100 PSA 10 which is 100% trimmed. Then offering 27guy's Giannis Acetate /34 for grading and when it graded 8.5 assuring 27guy that it will get back to 9. I already asked this. If you mastered trimming, why want to stop that and leave the hobby instead of trying to make a lot of money. His store would be only bigger and bigger. I already proved that Sohrob was active in collecting until 2015, although BNC claimed he bought Sohrob's entire collection in 2013 or 2014 and the 87/99 was among them. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=815548 I also proved that Sohrob was offering me cards until March 2016. https://imageshack.com/a/img924/3295/cLsQdY.png Then I just got a PM from one BO member who's asking that if I was offered the middle card, NT AD Gold /5 BGS 9, yes I was offered from Sohrob like that in the past. That BO member says now it's in BGS 9.5 with quad 9.5 subs. I asked him where he found it and who owns it now, instead of waiting for his response I'd liked to have some research. Yes the picture of that middle card is too small to see, but I clicked that picture in my email inbox and still could download the image in pretty good quality. It was serial numbered 5/5, here it is: https://imageshack.com/a/img922/4465/0NwVuR.jpg Then here you go: https://imageshack.com/a/img923/230/bybsXU.jpg https://imageshack.com/a/img923/7900/foky4q.png It was graded in 20th November, 2017. That was the card "The Ghost Magician" Sohrob couldn't get 9.5 himself. November 2017 is way after Sohrob's gone from the hobby. Again, it was/is under BNC's posession. Last edited by buybuymj; 12-22-2018 at 03:28 AM. Reason: Resizing image

12-22-2018, 04:10 AM	#2298
theLUCKYshow Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 5,455 theluckshow	First Wings now buybuymj just wow! This web is just too tangled for Eric to ever get out of. I really hope he comes clean. Wow. And Sohrob. Ive pointed the finger at him many times throughout this thread. If he's 100% innocent I owe him an apology. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk __________________ Always looking for high end Harry Giles AKA the Future

12-22-2018, 12:36 AM	#2276
frisbeesteve Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,682 frisbeesteve frisbeesteve	Let me begin my first post in this thread with a brief apology for what promises to be, for better or worse, a long read. I have a tendency to be long winded, and that’s not new. Sometimes it’s beneficial (for me and/or others) and sometimes it probably is not. In fact, it’s my own long windedness that sometimes prevents me from participating more than I do on these very forums. I don’t always have the time, or energy, or patience to respectfully and responsibly post, and sometimes I just don’t expect to be able to accomplish enough with the time that I have; so there are definitely times that I remain on the sidelines as a lurker. I’m hoping that most of you will give this at least one read-thru, and a little bit of thought and consideration. I know that’s a lot to ask for, in a thread that often grows faster than a reader who is not even attempting to make posts or reply to others, can keep up with. Adam's (27guy) return to the thread today, was a relief to me. While I’m sure it was heavy writing for him, it was lighter reading for me. It doesn't necessarily make everything crystal clear (I’m pretty sure nothing will), but it does clear up a number of things for me. Most importantly, and as if I were a juror on a criminal court case - it opens up more of what I would consider as "reasonable doubt" as it pertains to convicting Adam’s character and integrity in this matter. To me, Adam does seem very intelligent in a number of ways. He seems to be living the “American Dream” in a number of ways - has a loving family and nice job that seem to help afford him the luxury of indulging in our non-essential hobby of cardboard collecting, and even at what most of us would consider the higher end. Intelligence though, does not always necessarily and directly translate over to wisdom. In hindsight now, I believe I can tell that he sees the mistakes he made of becoming so heavily involved in the defense of someone (BNC) that wasn't even a "close" friend (albeit a friend that he considered important to potential future dealings) without more concrete information in front of him. I do believe he was just as interested in finding out who was guilty of trimming here as he was with the unklbnz fiasco. Should he have anticipated the extent to which he might likely be so heavily consumed with everything to do with his involvement in this thread so as to take him away from his family and job? Perhaps, but I'm sure that's a lesson admittedly learned now for him. It makes perfect sense to me that it would have been anywhere from extremely difficult if not actually impossible to keep up with all of the messages (Blowout, text, phone calls) resulting from this thread, not to mention being able to have a head on straight enough to do the hardcore detective work with all of the mixed facts and opinions, pictures and other thread and site references, etc. Understandably, the topic of this thread quickly ballooned into a full-time occupation for anybody that was seriously trying to accomplish anything here. If we take Adam’s complete existence and presence here on the forums into account instead of only certain convenient aspects of it, doesn’t it look likely that he is a passionate collector that happened to be friends with the wrong guy, and then also stick his neck out there for him? Is he really a pump-n-dumper? Not that I’ve witnessed in my time here. Does he seem to be looking to scam or defraud anyone? I don’t think so. Does he bring and share a lot of valuable knowledge and experience to the forums and hobby? I do believe so. I have now been a Blowout member for going on two years, and began lurking here at least a few months prior to joining. Even though I’ve been in and out of this hobby in varying degrees since late 1993, I’ve actually never really been a big follower or participant in any cardboard-related forums. In my brief time here, I have witnessed a ton of awesomeness, and made some friends – a few of them I consider to be “good” friends. I’ve seen a lot of information sharing, cardboard sharing, friendly advice, and have been blessed to only have smooth BST interactions with everybody I’ve dealt with thus far. These forums are amazing, and that’s because there are a lot of people here with integrity, and that care about the hobby at both ends of the value spectrum, and are NOT looking to scam or rip off the next guy. Yes, there are some trolls that appear in many threads, as there always are in life, but they are generally easy to identify and navigate around in order to benefit from and enjoy the hobby aspects of the forum that it’s intended for. I’ve gotten to see some very impressive detective work done on a number of things, and this thread would be the latest and definitely greatest example. I say all of this to admit that I haven’t been around long enough to witness anywhere near everything that has gone on over the years. However, I’ve seen and read too many things from Adam to believe at this point that he was knowingly standing up for fraud (card trimming), or even attempting to run interference. I believe the hysteria that he did indeed place himself smack dab in the center of while attempting to defend a friend that wouldn’t come in and defend himself, overwhelmed his ability to keep up with all of the information and details, including the two different LeBron RPAs where he was clearly trying to stay focused first on the one that he thought we all had more information about (74/99). The amount of time it was taking me to keep up with the thread JUST AS A LURKER/READER, whilst living a life outside of it was pretty crazy, and I had plenty of trouble keeping all of the information/facts straight as well as trying to consider points of view that were coming in like there was no tomorrow. I had the luxury of shrugging if something didn’t make sense to me, at least at a given point in time. I had the luxury of going to bed when I decided I needed to. Adam did not. My relationship with Adam is very limited in scope. I’ve done a lot of lurking on the forums, reading threads that he has started or participated in, occasionally participating in a few of them myself. I’ve watched his CC interviews, and had the pleasure of getting to meet him at the National this year. He was as friendly and easy to talk to as I imagined he would be based upon his posts and interviews. He never came across as contrived or calculating to me – just very out in the open about the hobby that I can tell that he loves. As far as actually “dealing” with him goes, we came very close to doing one deal (where I would have been selling to him), but I backed out of it – with his complete blessing. I won’t get into the cancellation reason as it’s irrelevant here, and had absolutely nothing to do with him. He went out of his way to make me feel as comfortable as possible about the deal, including giving me time to think about it as well as cancel if I decided I didn’t “need” to do it. Since I wound up not needing to sell, he graciously allowed me to back away from the deal with absolutely no hard feelings. That whole “almost” deal told me a good amount about the kind of person he was. I know I need to wrap this post up, and probably should have found a way to try to get my points across in fewer words. The truth is though, we all make mistakes. Sometimes they’re bigger mistakes, and will understandably carry some heavier consequences. My only plea here, is that the great forum members of Blowout will try to consider everything that Adam is and has been, and not just this point in time where he mistakenly tried to defend someone that didn’t deserve defending, and mistakenly couldn’t process and connect the dots himself well enough to recognize that Buybuymj’s messages should absolutely be shared in their unedited entirety with the Blowout community. I realize that my opinions here are likely to raise some eyebrows and ruffle some feathers, and I can live with that. I hope that I won’t lose friends or trust here, but if I do, I can live with that as well. What I decided I couldn’t live with, was sitting back and watching complete character assassination when I don’t believe it’s warranted. Even though I also very much appreciate the valuable input of critics/skeptics like NinjaCookies and OJ amongst others, I hope that even they will be able to consider the merits and benefits of having an Adam in our collecting midst – and especially an older and wiser Adam. In closing, I hope that this thread can get back on topic of trying to continue to uncover the details of the fraudulent card alterations. If anybody would like to PM me or go outside of this thread to discuss any of this further so as to not continue to derail the topic, I’ll be happy to discuss when and as time allows. Thanks for reading.

12-22-2018, 12:36 AM	#2277
GeechQuest Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 10,779 GeechQuest	Interesting on the Kobe Gamebreakees is that PSA offers a Guarantee of Grade and Authenticity. What happens in this scenario? I buy the card for $6K, show PSA they messed up and the card is obviously an altered copy. Now what? Seems PSA could be on the hook for this one as well. Sad all the way around and extremely lame.

12-22-2018, 03:41 AM	#2288
shindo03 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,092	So there you have it Buynicecards just screwed himself of millions of dollars.....if I were you guys I'd start archiving all the cards on his website. Starting now.....all the serial numbers and everything of the graded cards. GO GO GO !!!!!! *SAVEEEEE THE HOBBBBBBBYYYY*

12-22-2018, 03:44 AM	#2289
shindo03 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,092	*screen shots guys.... Archive archive archive*

12-22-2018, 03:48 AM	#2290
shindo03 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,092	I'm so glad I have nothing that this guy previously owned.

12-22-2018, 03:51 AM	#2292
shindo03 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,092	Sorry, this makes me sick to stomach.....now we have a huge chunk of cards that need to be asterisked****..... how did the graders not catch this mess. This is horrible. This is almost worse than the T206 trimming cause this is more than 1 card. This is horrible. Thanks for single handedly ruining the modern basketball card industry by tainting a bunch of "mona lisa" cards.... man that is so horrible.

12-22-2018, 03:53 AM	#2293
shindo03 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,092	If this doesn't bother you in the hobby, I don't know what to say, this is a very sad day in the hobby.... very sad.

12-22-2018, 03:53 AM	#2294
shindo03 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,092	I really hope whoever trimmed these cards goes to jail for fraud....

12-22-2018, 03:54 AM	#2295
shindo03 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,092	https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...icle-1.1482098