Observations on the current state of the hobby from a show this weekend - Page 92

notfast · 03-13-2023, 10:38 AM

Sunday was as dead as I’ve ever seen it at Philly.

That being said, apparently Friday and Saturday were ridiculous.

hermanotarjeta · 03-13-2023, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by solt0131

For anyone that has a negative outlook, I have to assume you weren’t at The Philly Show this weekend.

I don’t see a massive decline in popularity or activity as a bad thing.

In fact, it’s a GREAT thing for hobbyists - more supply and lower prices for all those who remain active in the hobby.

Less is more for everyone who sticks around.

wilsonjust · 03-13-2023, 11:04 AM

Was at the Nashville show on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

Seemed to be a really great show in my opinion. Did some value box digging on Friday and also picked up 3 cards I've been looking for. 1958 Topps Mantle PSA3, 2001 Topps Chrome Traded Ichiro RC, and a Griffey Jr Auto (1989 UD RC with a 10 Auto). I would say the attendance on Friday was perfect. Not so busy that you couldn't move around but good traffic so that sales and trades were happening.

Did see some tables that were overpriced based off sticker showing but for the most part, dealers were willing to work on the price somewhat. Good mix of vintage and modern. The vintage row against the wall was great. Did see a sale of a graded 51 Bowman Mantle RC go down. Didn't hear the price but would assume in the $25k-$30k range.

Saturday was BUSY. Lots and lots of traffic at the tables. I did find some 90's baseball and basketball insert and numbered boxes on Saturday that I dug through for a while. Prices were marked on each card but dealer was good on prices if bundling stuff together. Sunday was thinned out with some dealers already left but many I talked to were up to cut some deals on Sunday. Picked up some graded modern basketball on Sunday.

I didn't attend the trade night on Friday night but heard that it had pretty decent traffic. Had a food and drink stand onsite each day plus an additional option on Saturday for like a meat and 3 vegetable plate.

Plenty of seating as well if you needed to take a break from cruising tables.

1st time attending the Nashville show and will def be back for another one.

cholodolo · 03-13-2023, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolten Joe

Cash out of Ultra Modern and invest in Graded Vintage.....There is so much being printed you can always come back to it later. Vintage they not cranking the presses anymore.

Never understand comments like these -- collect the dead guys you've never heard of, or watched play! What a rush!

As if there's no middle ground between 1930 and 2023.

Doesn't sound like much collecting going on, either..."cash out" and all.

ewokpelts · 03-13-2023, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rms13

My anecdotal observation bases on my local Target. They had no cards on shelves for close to 2 years. For the past year they have usually had a few blasters and packs and usually hockey or other stuff people don't want but shelves always about 75% empty. I went in yesterday on Saturday afternoon and card shelves were overflowing. Every sport was represented with multiple products in blasters and packs. They even had a bunch of one touch cases which I've never seen at Target. So either production is officially sky high or a lot less people care about cards now.

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It’s both. Plus, your store may have gotten a bunch of overstock from other stores or the wharehouse.

theshowandme · 03-13-2023, 03:02 PM

Chantilly in 2 weeks baby!

dmbfanandy · 03-13-2023, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

Chantilly moved the autographs to a once-unopened area. They need to do that in Philly too. Too many people standing around with 36x48 posters, bags of helmets, etc. blocking the aisles

Excellent idea !!

PDCCollectibles · 03-13-2023, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by notfast

Sunday was as dead as I’ve ever seen it at Philly.

That being said, apparently Friday and Saturday were ridiculous.

Sunday was definitely less populated than Friday and Saturday....

K111 · 03-13-2023, 05:37 PM

For card shows that go on for 3 day weekends, are there often alot of empty tables on the Friday show? I am planning on going to the Chicago Spectacular on Friday but not sure if I should wait until Saturday as maybe there will be alot of dealers who can't get out of work early or whatever

sportsnutcards · 03-13-2023, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by notfast

Sunday was as dead as I’ve ever seen it at Philly.

That being said, apparently Friday and Saturday were ridiculous.

You must not have attended many shows on a Sunday during the Football season. Sunday was busy right up until 3pm. There were shows in the past that we were fully packed up by 2. There were plenty of buyers at this show. The total revenue might not have been as high, mostly because of a lack of faith in high end, but the total number of buyers was the highest it has ever been including during the pandemic boom.

ewokpelts · 03-13-2023, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by K111

For card shows that go on for 3 day weekends, are there often alot of empty tables on the Friday show? I am planning on going to the Chicago Spectacular on Friday but not sure if I should wait until Saturday as maybe there will be alot of dealers who can't get out of work early or whatever

Big shows like rosemont will have most tables Occupied Friday night. People want to get the best stuff first, and they tend to have vip events that night.

tyrith · 03-13-2023, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by K111

For card shows that go on for 3 day weekends, are there often alot of empty tables on the Friday show? I am planning on going to the Chicago Spectacular on Friday but not sure if I should wait until Saturday as maybe there will be alot of dealers who can't get out of work early or whatever

With any sort of big show there are going to be more empty tables, by far, on Sunday than there will be on Friday.

Soxfan26 · 03-13-2023, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cholodolo

Never understand comments like these -- collect the dead guys you've never heard of, or watched play! What a rush!

As if there's no middle ground between 1930 and 2023.

Plenty of middle ground between 1930 and 2023. It's called 60's and 70's. Gibson, Mantle, Rose, Carlton, Reggie, Bench, Seaver, Rollie, Catfish, Munson, Ozzie, etc.

fabiani12333 · 03-13-2023, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cholodolo

Never understand comments like these -- collect the dead guys you've never heard of, or watched play! What a rush!

As if there's no middle ground between 1930 and 2023.

Doesn't sound like much collecting going on, either..."cash out" and all.

Vintage is apparently the new focus of flipper boys. They move around from one card to the next.

fabiani12333 · 03-13-2023, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ewokpelts

It’s both. Plus, your store may have gotten a bunch of overstock from other stores or the wharehouse.

It's a sign of the market resetting itself. Ultra modern is overproduced and too expensive. The manufacturers either need to cut production or lower prices.

MoreToppsPlease · 03-13-2023, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Vintage is apparently the new focus of flipper boys. They move around from one card to the next.

Yup! They start hyping after they’ve stocked up, the modus operandi for any venture of theirs.

ThoseBackPages · 03-13-2023, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

It's a sign of the market resetting itself. Ultra modern is overproduced and too expensive. The manufacturers either need to cut production or lower prices.

this is just the beginning. Fanatics has Big Bills to pay.

the stuff will sell, it will just take longer.

everything in life is more expensive now, not just cards

dont like the price? leave them for the kids!

Furchy · 03-14-2023, 07:40 AM

Any good shows in NC this weekend? I finally have a weekend off and am wanting to find a show!

ironfireman · 03-14-2023, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Furchy

Any good shows in NC this weekend? I finally have a weekend off and am wanting to find a show!

There is a newer one in Greensboro this Saturday. Meridian Convention Center 150 tables, newer stuff I've heard. It's a newer promoter who has piggy backed shows onto venues used by Inside Pitch/Wes at Salisbury and Greensboro. I haven't been but heard folks say it's newer stuff and more kids but ok.
The next big show is April 1 Hickory, then Winston Salem the 8th These are THEE shows in NC. 350 tables. Almost too much to get through in one day. Lots of vintage. I always run out of $$ before I run out of tables!

bravesfan#1 · 03-14-2023, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ironfireman

There is a newer one in Greensboro this Saturday. Meridian Convention Center 150 tables, newer stuff I've heard. It's a newer promoter who has piggy backed shows onto venues used by Inside Pitch/Wes at Salisbury and Greensboro. I haven't been but heard folks say it's newer stuff and more kids but ok.
The next big show is April 1 Hickory, then Winston Salem the 8th These are THEE shows in NC. 350 tables. Almost too much to get through in one day. Lots of vintage. I always run out of $$ before I run out of tables!

Be careful about the April 1 Hickory show, that is a toys/comics show only. The venue had to be split up due to ongoing construction. The next card show (no toys) in Hickory will be May 20th.

http://www.insidepitchpromotions.com/schedule.htm

bravesfan#1 · 03-14-2023, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Furchy

Any good shows in NC this weekend? I finally have a weekend off and am wanting to find a show!

New one in Greensboro but expect it to be a very young crowd as mentioned above.

Furchy · 03-14-2023, 11:12 AM

I went to the new promoters show in Salisbury awhile back and it was lots of newer stuff. I seem to enjoy the Inside Pitch guys shows better. Good mix of new and vintage.

Thanks for the info guys!

atoaz12 · 03-14-2023, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

It's a sign of the market resetting itself. Ultra modern is overproduced and too expensive. The manufacturers either need to cut production or lower prices.

Never will or need to as long as there are breakers

fabiani12333 · 03-14-2023, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by atoaz12

Never will or need to as long as there are breakers

Then Topps and Panini should redirect all their excess retail products to breakers. Make sure to charge the same prices.

fabiani12333 · 03-14-2023, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

this is just the beginning. Fanatics has Big Bills to pay.

the stuff will sell, it will just take longer.

everything in life is more expensive now, not just cards

dont like the price? leave them for the kids!

Kids generally aren't going to pay high prices for trading card boxes.

03-13-2023, 11:04 AM	#2278
wilsonjust Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 362	Was at the Nashville show on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Seemed to be a really great show in my opinion. Did some value box digging on Friday and also picked up 3 cards I've been looking for. 1958 Topps Mantle PSA3, 2001 Topps Chrome Traded Ichiro RC, and a Griffey Jr Auto (1989 UD RC with a 10 Auto). I would say the attendance on Friday was perfect. Not so busy that you couldn't move around but good traffic so that sales and trades were happening. Did see some tables that were overpriced based off sticker showing but for the most part, dealers were willing to work on the price somewhat. Good mix of vintage and modern. The vintage row against the wall was great. Did see a sale of a graded 51 Bowman Mantle RC go down. Didn't hear the price but would assume in the $25k-$30k range. Saturday was BUSY. Lots and lots of traffic at the tables. I did find some 90's baseball and basketball insert and numbered boxes on Saturday that I dug through for a while. Prices were marked on each card but dealer was good on prices if bundling stuff together. Sunday was thinned out with some dealers already left but many I talked to were up to cut some deals on Sunday. Picked up some graded modern basketball on Sunday. I didn't attend the trade night on Friday night but heard that it had pretty decent traffic. Had a food and drink stand onsite each day plus an additional option on Saturday for like a meat and 3 vegetable plate. Plenty of seating as well if you needed to take a break from cruising tables. 1st time attending the Nashville show and will def be back for another one. __________________ Acuna, Soto, Trout, Antetokounmpo, Pujols....

03-13-2023, 10:38 AM	#2276
notfast Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: MD Posts: 4,045	Sunday was as dead as I’ve ever seen it at Philly. That being said, apparently Friday and Saturday were ridiculous.

03-13-2023, 03:02 PM	#2281
theshowandme Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 5,053 theshowandme nova_cards	Chantilly in 2 weeks baby!

03-13-2023, 05:37 PM	#2284
K111 Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 202	For card shows that go on for 3 day weekends, are there often alot of empty tables on the Friday show? I am planning on going to the Chicago Spectacular on Friday but not sure if I should wait until Saturday as maybe there will be alot of dealers who can't get out of work early or whatever

03-14-2023, 07:40 AM	#2293
Furchy Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: North Carolina Posts: 71 furchyfried	Any good shows in NC this weekend? I finally have a weekend off and am wanting to find a show!

03-14-2023, 11:12 AM	#2297
Furchy Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: North Carolina Posts: 71 furchyfried	I went to the new promoters show in Salisbury awhile back and it was lots of newer stuff. I seem to enjoy the Inside Pitch guys shows better. Good mix of new and vintage. Thanks for the info guys!