PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 93

HarryLime · 05-30-2019, 12:29 PM

I can't help but get the feeling that we're missing something. Brent has bent over backwards to shamelessly delete back scan image evidence of pre-2015 altered cards from his website and VCP's.

What's back there that makes it his #1 priority?

3124508 on COMC · 05-30-2019, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryLime

I can't help but get the feeling that we're missing something. Brent has bent over backwards to shamelessly delete back scan image evidence of pre-2015 altered cards from his website and VCP's.

What's back there that makes it his #1 priority?

What more could you find? A Wagner? Probably just wants to keep from emptying his bank account all the way.

HarryLime · 05-30-2019, 01:09 PM

I honestly have no idea. I just can't wrap my head around his obsession with pre-2015 while everything that's come out was 2016-today. Maybe he didn't report the extra income he got from the Moser partnership? Maybe he set up a dummy account to pay himself for it? Whatever it is, he doesn't want to get bagged for any of these prior to 2015.

Arthur

CaptSpaulding · 05-30-2019, 01:41 PM

Not sure if this was posted but I was just using VCP and it seems that eBay must have "rethought" their position on Bobby's API data violation. The obscured eBay buyer ids are showing again. Wonder if Bobby knows...

Vintagecollect · 05-30-2019, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Not sure if this was posted but I was just using VCP and it seems that eBay must have "rethought" their position on Bobby's API data violation. The obscured eBay buyer ids are showing again. Wonder if Bobby knows...

he posted om n 54 after many conversations, he was able to get them back up

pspa123 · 05-30-2019, 02:00 PM

This is what he wrote.

So after a very long day and some lengthy conversations we have been given the go ahead for now to start posting the buyer coded information once again.

superdan49 · 05-30-2019, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Someone archived it I think? Did I archive it? I don’t think so, but I can’t remember for sure.

Yup, just found it:

All 34 pages whitman111 eBay feedback can be traced through this link:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190512...rchInterval=30

corndog · 05-30-2019, 02:03 PM

This card is unbelievable...
go to bottom pictures

PSA Cert #27898965

1888 N162 Goodwin Champions Fred Dunlap

Value gain of $453.77

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-ALTERED on March 06, 2016 for $256.23. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1241484
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-4.5 for $710.00 on October 18, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1555117

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
I believe this is the most coloring that has been found to date.
Side of head and nose. The images as an altered card have been enlarged to see them better but in turn they are a little blurry.

pspa123 · 05-30-2019, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Yup, just found it:

All 34 pages whitman111 eBay feedback can be traced through this link:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190512...rchInterval=30

Sheeyit he is buying a lot from PWCC.

corndog · 05-30-2019, 02:08 PM

^^^ Card is from the same submission as the Demmitt Polar Bear T206.

NHaaland · 05-30-2019, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

Sheeyit he is buying a lot from PWCC.

Whether intentional or not ("Sheeyit"), this post made my day. All I can see/hear is Clay Davis. The only thing I would have done differently is extend it out a bit more

Thank you for making my day! #TheWire

CaptSpaulding · 05-30-2019, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

This is what he wrote.

So after a very long day and some lengthy conversations we have been given the go ahead for now to start posting the buyer coded information once again.

Thanks. Boy those folks at eBay must be really confused about their own policies. One minute he is in violation and the next he was being compliant. LOL. Good thing for lengthy conversations.

HarryLime · 05-30-2019, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

This is what he wrote.

So after a very long day and some lengthy conversations we have been given the go ahead for now to start posting the buyer coded information once again.

It's a miracle! Thank you, Tom Cruise! Thank you, Oprah Winfrey!

no10pin · 05-30-2019, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Thanks. Boy those folks at eBay must be really confused about their own policies. One minute he is in violation and the next he was being compliant. LOL. Good thing for lengthy conversations.

Well, all other things aside, this really isn't a stretch to believe

I'm glad the emergency holiday purging of IDs has been resolved!

NickM · 05-30-2019, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by corndog

A very good example of "buy the card not the grade"...

Which card would you rather own?

The Doby on the right is missing its black ink. That's a fairly rare printing error.

superdan49 · 05-30-2019, 05:38 PM

PSA Cert #:42196437

T206 Old Mill Ty Cobb Bat Off Shoulder PSA 2 to PSA 4

Sold on 9/6/2016 as a PSA 2 by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $1,476.00
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 2/11/2019 as a PSA 6 for $5,048.00
Value gain of $3,572.00!

This card came in as an e-mail tip. As far as alterations go, this one is obvious once it's pointed out. Gary Moser bought this T206 Ty Cobb card as a PSA 2 with some black missing color in the "M" of the word Mill on the back. He then recolored the missing ink, and voila! The card comes back two grades higher and he makes over $3,500. Once again, the card was sold through PWCC, altered, and then resold for more money through PWCC.

Green circles show the common print marks and paper fibers. Red circle on the third image shows the area that was recolored.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1339861

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1903601

But here's where things get more interesting. I've had three separate sources tell me that Gary Moser is no longer doing business with PSA, and has not for some time (over a year from what I understand). PSA has never publicly confirmed this fact, but if true, then someone else had to have submitted this Cobb card for Moser. Read the PWCC description below. This card was sold in February 2019, and the description says that the PSA 4 was "recently returned from PSA."

PSA: Only you know who has abetted Moser's fraud by submitting cards for him. Was it a friend? Another dealer? An auction house? I urge PSA President Steve Sloan to take whatever action necessary against those who helped Moser erode if not destroy collector confidence in their brand!

Vintagecollect · 05-30-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

Sheeyit he is buying a lot from PWCC.

And consigning.....hmmmm

"We know very well who Gary Moser is"

I betcha do....I betcha do

Vintagecollect · 05-30-2019, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Thanks. Boy those folks at eBay must be really confused about their own policies. One minute he is in violation and the next he was being compliant. LOL. Good thing for lengthy conversations.

He never, ever said WHO the conversation was with!

ThoseBackPages · 05-30-2019, 06:07 PM

have any of these findings been bought by someone NOT named Gary Moser?

superdan49 · 05-30-2019, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

have any of these findings been bought by someone NOT named Gary Moser?

Vintage? I think literally one single card. I forget which one.

KhalDrogo · 05-30-2019, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

But here's where things get more interesting. I've had three separate sources tell me that Gary Moser is no longer doing business with PSA, and has not for some time (over a year from what I understand). PSA has never publicly confirmed this fact, but if true, then someone else had to have submitted this Cobb card for Moser. Read the PWCC description below. This card was sold in February 2019, and the description says that the PSA 4 was "recently returned from PSA."

PSA: Only you know who has abetted Moser's fraud by submitting cards for him. Was it a friend? Another dealer? An auction house? I urge PSA President Steve Sloan to take whatever action necessary against those who helped Moser erode if not destroy collector confidence in their brand!

Why would PWCC know that unless they submitted it themselves?

ThoseBackPages · 05-30-2019, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Vintage? I think literally one single card. I forget which one.

oh man.

have to wonder who rolls on who first here. Sure Brent has more to lose, but this Moser fella surely is cocky

ThoseBackPages · 05-30-2019, 07:33 PM

BODA,

is this card dirty? i saw it at their booth at the show last year and liked it enough to take a picture. Probably sold for a lot of moolah

corndog · 05-30-2019, 08:01 PM

PSA Cert #26223944

1952 Topps Mickey Mantle #311

Value gain of $5,567.00

This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-1 on August 01, 2016 for $9,233.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1319134
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-1.5 for $14,800.00 on November 22, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1379679

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red circles show glue residue before and after. The circles at the top right and right are creases that were smoothed out.

cking · 05-30-2019, 08:15 PM

They did some serious coloring book type of coloring on that card. Good grief.

05-30-2019, 02:03 PM	#2308
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,132	This card is unbelievable... go to bottom pictures PSA Cert #27898965 1888 N162 Goodwin Champions Fred Dunlap Value gain of $453.77 This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-ALTERED on March 06, 2016 for $256.23. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1241484 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-4.5 for $710.00 on October 18, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1555117 Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. I believe this is the most coloring that has been found to date. Side of head and nose. The images as an altered card have been enlarged to see them better but in turn they are a little blurry. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 06-02-2019 at 12:30 AM.

05-30-2019, 02:08 PM	#2310
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,132	^^^ Card is from the same submission as the Demmitt Polar Bear T206. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

05-30-2019, 05:38 PM	#2316
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	PSA Cert #:42196437 T206 Old Mill Ty Cobb Bat Off Shoulder PSA 2 to PSA 4 Sold on 9/6/2016 as a PSA 2 by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $1,476.00 Consigned to PWCC and sold on 2/11/2019 as a PSA 6 for $5,048.00 Value gain of $3,572.00! This card came in as an e-mail tip. As far as alterations go, this one is obvious once it's pointed out. Gary Moser bought this T206 Ty Cobb card as a PSA 2 with some black missing color in the "M" of the word Mill on the back. He then recolored the missing ink, and voila! The card comes back two grades higher and he makes over $3,500. Once again, the card was sold through PWCC, altered, and then resold for more money through PWCC. Green circles show the common print marks and paper fibers. Red circle on the third image shows the area that was recolored. https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1339861 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1903601 But here's where things get more interesting. I've had three separate sources tell me that Gary Moser is no longer doing business with PSA, and has not for some time (over a year from what I understand). PSA has never publicly confirmed this fact, but if true, then someone else had to have submitted this Cobb card for Moser. Read the PWCC description below. This card was sold in February 2019, and the description says that the PSA 4 was "recently returned from PSA." PSA: Only you know who has abetted Moser's fraud by submitting cards for him. Was it a friend? Another dealer? An auction house? I urge PSA President Steve Sloan to take whatever action necessary against those who helped Moser erode if not destroy collector confidence in their brand! __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line Last edited by superdan49; 05-30-2019 at 06:00 PM.

05-30-2019, 06:07 PM	#2319
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,308 ThoseBackPages	have any of these findings been bought by someone NOT named Gary Moser? __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

05-30-2019, 07:33 PM	#2323
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,308 ThoseBackPages	BODA, is this card dirty? i saw it at their booth at the show last year and liked it enough to take a picture. Probably sold for a lot of moolah __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

05-30-2019, 12:29 PM	#2301
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	I can't help but get the feeling that we're missing something. Brent has bent over backwards to shamelessly delete back scan image evidence of pre-2015 altered cards from his website and VCP's. What's back there that makes it his #1 priority?

05-30-2019, 01:09 PM	#2303
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	I honestly have no idea. I just can't wrap my head around his obsession with pre-2015 while everything that's come out was 2016-today. Maybe he didn't report the extra income he got from the Moser partnership? Maybe he set up a dummy account to pay himself for it? Whatever it is, he doesn't want to get bagged for any of these prior to 2015. Arthur

05-30-2019, 01:41 PM	#2304
CaptSpaulding Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,458	Not sure if this was posted but I was just using VCP and it seems that eBay must have "rethought" their position on Bobby's API data violation. The obscured eBay buyer ids are showing again. Wonder if Bobby knows...

05-30-2019, 02:00 PM	#2306
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,740	This is what he wrote. So after a very long day and some lengthy conversations we have been given the go ahead for now to start posting the buyer coded information once again.

05-30-2019, 08:01 PM	#2324
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,132	PSA Cert #26223944 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle #311 Value gain of $5,567.00 This card was sold by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-1 on August 01, 2016 for $9,233.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1319134 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-1.5 for $14,800.00 on November 22, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1379679 Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers. Red circles show glue residue before and after. The circles at the top right and right are creases that were smoothed out. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

05-30-2019, 08:15 PM	#2325
cking Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 16,263	They did some serious coloring book type of coloring on that card. Good grief.