2022 NBA Playoffs Thread

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No comparison. Agree. Trae was much much worse.

Haha! He was at fault as much as Embiid on the Simmons play since neither of them touched the ball.

[indyguy]

No excuse for being checked out of the huddle, but to say he should get the heat for not taking the shot, then you're just trying to a false narrative.

If it comes out that he said he didn't want it and then pouted, pour it on.

I don't like either player by the way, but the two scenarios are different as of right now.

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by rustywest

Here he comes. The disrespect from behind a keyboard. You are part of the 'enlightened' who think the Grizz are better off without Ja

He's legitimately one of the under appreciated worst posters on these boards. Really does think he is enlightened.

At least people like K13 & Moss know they are ridiculous ( I think). This guy actually thinks he's correct in everything he states and none of it is for shock value, he legit thinks it's fact.

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

Weak tea had more turnovers than baskets, don't know I've seen that before in a series.

When did you come up with that nickname?

I feel like you could do better

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Haha! He was at fault as much as Embiid on the Simmons play since neither of them touched the ball.

You're trying to rationalize why Trae didn't touch the ball. Perhaps there's truth to the idea that Nate drew something up that focused on someone else because of the high likelihood of a double or triple team. Perhaps he drew something up for someone else because Trae checked out two games ago and knew there was a 0% chance of success. Perhaps he drew something up because Trae conceded the loss already in the huddle.

IDK and it really doesn't matter. Simmons may have really flubbed an in-game decision with the ball; but at least he had the ball ... and was in the game.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This is the least generous interpretation for Ben, most generous for Trae.

I think it's more fair to say that they were both pretty pathetic and just leave it at that.

Yes. This is my point. They both let their teams down and should wear it on the chin.

But only one got thrown under the bus, while the other seemly gets a free pass.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Now, I'm not sticking up for either of them, because they both $hit the bed, but does anybody see the hypocrisy here?

Ben has a terrible series, refuses to take a key shot, gets thrown under the bus by his coach and star player.

Trae has a terrible series, refuses to take a key shot, seems to be getting a free pass as it falls on McMillan.

I'm not saying Trae should get thrown under the bus, and I'm not saying Ben didn't screw up, I'm just saying there is a double standard here.

I blame Trae for things all the time. Easy to search on here and I am happy to provide examples at a later date if need be.

But key things forgotten here:

• Nate cleaned house on the coaching staff that took them to the ECF
• He replaced them with his own son + his buddies who used to coach under him at Indiana
• Schlenk maybe deserves some flack for letting that happen too

Another big difference is this team wasn't gonna go far with a hobbled Capela and Collins. Trae is many things, but he's not a moron - he knew that. Especially when Nate's only known offensive moves that aren't terrible are "Cap pnr" and... that's about it.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You're trying to rationalize why Trae didn't touch the ball. Perhaps there's truth to the idea that Nate drew something up that focused on someone else because of the high likelihood of a double or triple team. Perhaps he drew something up for someone else because Trae checked out two games ago and knew there was a 0% chance of success. Perhaps he drew something up because Trae conceded the loss already in the huddle.

IDK and it really doesn't matter. Simmons may have really flubbed an in-game decision with the ball; but at least he had the ball ... and was in the game.

And it's really more about the entire quarter. Trae played all 12 minutes, took a single shot.

If you want to wash away the last 4 seconds because of whatever, that's OK. But you can't do that for the quarter, game or series.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You're trying to rationalize why Trae didn't touch the ball. Perhaps there's truth to the idea that Nate drew something up that focused on someone else because of the high likelihood of a double or triple team. Perhaps he drew something up for someone else because Trae checked out two games ago and knew there was a 0% chance of success. Perhaps he drew something up because Trae conceded the loss already in the huddle.

IDK and it really doesn't matter. Simmons may have really flubbed an in-game decision with the ball; but at least he had the ball ... and was in the game.

LOL and clearly didn't want it.

And if you knew what Nate does in those situations, you KNEW he wasn't drawing up anything successful. He never has coming out of a timeout. It's always a scramble with no success. The amount of times watching a Pacers game where he would call a timeout just to come out and watch a jumbled up failure was mind blowing.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by TSonn

To be clear, we're talking about these two plays, right?

Ben Simmons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EHA4UhYuQY

Trae Young:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iwPrhXQ2qY

No excuse for Trae being checked out in the huddle - but there's no comparison to a guy with the ball who could dunk it but passes vs a guy who was double-teamed and never touched the ball.

Ben's is still worse = Game 7 at home, the favorites to win the series and potentially the East.

Trae's = Game 5 in a lopsided series where they were only in it due to Miami out 2 key starters. Both of Trae's starting bigs = injured.

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Yes. This is my point. They both let their teams down and should wear it on the chin.

But only one got thrown under the bus, while the other seemly gets a free pass.

Not that it makes it right, but I think part of the reason is that Trae has had some massive success before on the National spotlight, so it's almost like he gets a pass from his fanbase. Although very polarizing, there are a lot of people who really love him

Ben seems to be generally disliked and even for the people who do root for him, he's just not beloved the way Trae is and hasn't really done anything to get a pass.

Again, not that I'm saying that's right. I'm pretty disappointed in Trae, but I just hope he grows as a player and person from this. You just can't be that mentally defeated or checked out that in a one possession game in a do or die playoff scenario that you just don't care. That isn't ok

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You're trying to rationalize why Trae didn't touch the ball. Perhaps there's truth to the idea that Nate drew something up that focused on someone else because of the high likelihood of a double or triple team. Perhaps he drew something up for someone else because Trae checked out two games ago and knew there was a 0% chance of success. Perhaps he drew something up because Trae conceded the loss already in the huddle.

IDK and it really doesn't matter. Simmons may have really flubbed an in-game decision with the ball; but at least he had the ball ... and was in the game.

If you want to create a story around it, then go ahead and make up whatever you want to justify your opinions about a player. But in reality the situations were not similar at all since Ben had the option to shoot it and Trae did not.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by indyguy

LOL and clearly didn't want it.

And if you knew what Nate does in those situations, you KNEW he wasn't drawing up anything successful. He never has coming out of a timeout. It's always a scramble with no success. The amount of times watching a Pacers game where he would call a timeout just to come out and watch a jumbled up failure was mind blowing.

Trae is young and can certainly overcome this flub.

But every alpha or wanna be alpha, with the chance to go down swinging, should go down swinging. Going 0-11 in that quarter and airballing a half-court shot at the buzzer would have been light years better than whatever yesterday was.

[KhalDrogo]

Feel bad for Dre. Not getting to realize his full potential on that squad. Maybe they’ll do better next year.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

And it's really more about the entire quarter. Trae played all 12 minutes, took a single shot.

If you want to wash away the last 4 seconds because of whatever, that's OK. But you can't do that for the quarter, game or series.

I can't remember - was the Hawks main game plan to take Simmons out of the game? Were they full court doubling him all series?

I've watched a lot of basketball and I can't remember any other team dedicating so much effort to stop one player like the Heat did to Trae all series.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TSonn

If you want to create a story around it, then go ahead and make up whatever you want to justify your opinions about a player. But in reality the situations were not similar at all since Ben had the option to shoot it and Trae did not.

Trae had a chance to shoot; he passed. Just was during the TO, not on the court.

Like I said, both pathetic.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by daeve

I blame Trae for things all the time. Easy to search on here and I am happy to provide examples at a later date if need be.

But key things forgotten here:

• Nate cleaned house on the coaching staff that took them to the ECF
• He replaced them with his own son + his buddies who used to coach under him at Indiana
• Schlenk maybe deserves some flack for letting that happen too

Another big difference is this team wasn't gonna go far with a hobbled Capela and Collins. Trae is many things, but he's not a moron - he knew that. Especially when Nate's only known offensive moves that aren't terrible are "Cap pnr" and... that's about it.

Interesting - I didn't know any of that. I guess it makes sense since McMillan was interim for 2020-21 but full head coach for 2021-22. Still, tough to choose to mess with something that got the squad to the ECF.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I can't remember - was the Hawks main game plan to take Simmons out of the game? Were they full court doubling him all series?

I've watched a lot of basketball and I can't remember any other team dedicating so much effort to stop one player like the Heat did to Trae all series.

Bingo. Any way you slice it, Simmons was given space to shoot all series and couldn't convert easy opportunities.

Trae was game-planned for to make sure he could not even attempt shots by a much more competent coaching staff + defensive identity.

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Feel bad for Dre. Not getting to realize his full potential on that squad. Maybe they’ll do better next year.

Lol. Of course this loser has to come in with his UVA bias. Pathetic.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by daeve

Ben's is still worse = Game 7 at home, the favorites to win the series and potentially the East.

Trae's = Game 5 in a lopsided series where they were only in it due to Miami out 2 key starters. Both of Trae's starting bigs = injured.

But look beyond just the shot...

Trae's overall series was just as bad, maybe worse. I'd be hard pressed to think of an All-NBA player to have a worse playoff run that what Trae did this year.

The point I keep getting back to , they both blew it, but the fallout is much different.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Trae had a chance to shoot; he passed. Just was during the TO, not on the court.

Like I said, both pathetic.

Just because Trae was not involved in the huddle doesn't mean he didn't do what he was supposed to on the final play.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I can't remember - was the Hawks main game plan to take Simmons out of the game? Were they full court doubling him all series?

I've watched a lot of basketball and I can't remember any other team dedicating so much effort to stop one player like the Heat did to Trae all series.

Imagine getting doubled like that (by bench players the second half of the series once Lowry was out) and still only getting 6 assists per game.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Just because Trae was not involved in the huddle doesn't mean he didn't do what he was supposed to on the final play.

Perhaps. A generous interpretation for Trae no doubt.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Interesting - I didn't know any of that. I guess it makes sense since McMillan was interim for 2020-21 but full head coach for 2021-22. Still, tough to choose to mess with something that got the squad to the ECF.

Right - he cleaned out Schlenk's decisions to make his own.

https://soaringdownsouth.com/2021/07...oaching-staff/

McMillan also hired his son Jamelle McMillan but it is not a case of a father giving his son a leg up. The younger McMillan has been a tremendous coach in the time that he has been in the league. He started with the New Orleans Pelicans back in 2013 as a player development coach.

lol at this writing too... "this isn't strictly nepotism!"

[daeve]

Originally Posted by tjforce

But look beyond just the shot...

Trae's overall series was just as bad, maybe worse. I'd be hard pressed to think of an All-NBA player to have a worse playoff run that what Trae did this year.

The point I keep getting back to , they both blew it, but the fallout is much different.

You can't think of a worse run than a guy who already won 2 single-elimination games in the play-in? And then avoided a sweep to a #1 seed with a game-winner? He wasn't terrific, but sounds like you aren't thinking very hard about this.