2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I am not sure who the "we" is but I know plenty of people that cared before COVID19 and will care after COVID19.

I know plenty +1 who didnt give a rat's a** until covid.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by cnewby

I know plenty +1 who didnt give a rat's a** until covid.

That may also be true.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I am not sure who the "we" is but I know plenty of people that cared before COVID19 and will care after COVID19.

100+ people around the world die per minute.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

It's like a gross Sopranos.

Why is this gross? They were protecting there private property in a gated community?

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Why is this gross? They were protecting there private property in a gated community?

Barely gated looking at the photos of what the criminals did.

[Boo]

Will H1N1 trigger as many people as covid?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Barely gated looking at the photos of what the criminals did.

Oh but they were just peaceful. Even though some of them admitted to having guns.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I am not sure who the "we" is but I know plenty of people that cared before COVID19 and will care after COVID19.

You care about the 150,000 people that die every day? Why aren't we pushing to close fast food joints, wearing masks 24/7 to prevent all viruses from spreading, pushing to end abortion (even if you are pro-choice, there's "abortions" that happen post birth), forcing people to exercise an hour a day, etc etc. We, as the general sense, don't care about deaths.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Boo

Will H1N1 trigger as many people as covid?

Is it coming before or after November?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Boo

Will H1N1 trigger as many people as covid?

Depends, will we shut down for that?

[calculusdork]

One section of Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society" was so good that I had to find it in Google Books to share with you all. Unfortunately I can't copy and paste, so a link must suffice. Click the link, and click the first "Page >>" Option.

https://books.google.com/books?id=YI...kraine&f=false

This particular chapter deals with the manipulation of statistics and suppression of facts by the media. I know it's nothing new, but I'm no less livid by reading that chapter, specifically at the suppression of famine death statistics in the Ukraine during Stalin's rule. The same manipulation and suppression is rampant today. Few reporters care about the actual truth ... only the version they'd like you to believe.

To that end, it concerns me to wonder how much I'm being manipulated in ways I don't even know. I hate it.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Death is part of the game. Always has been and always will be. Except for 2020 of course where one preventable death means the closure of the country. We've lost our minds trying to prevent death, something that human beings simply cannot do. And it was never supposed to be about this in the first place.

To be very blunt, I am OK with people dying. I can't stop it, you can't stop it, there's nothing we can do about it, so I have two choices. I can either be OK with it, or I can be irrational and say "these deaths here make me feel bad, but next year when this virus is over, nobody dies anymore". If I spend my life sad at all the death in the world, how the hell am I supposed to live?

So bottom line for me is that I reserve my emotion for things that deserve it. The death of random strangers that happens every second of every day is not one of those things. It shouldn't be for you either, but I have a hunch this year is different because someone tells you it's different (it isn't).

I'm sorry, you can believe what you want, and if you want to be "ok" with people dying good for you that's fine, no one can tell you how to react but to act like it's strange to have some sort of emotional reaction when you read or hear about "random strangers" dying isn't weird and it's not even a Covid thing. It also hits way closer to home when it's a death close to you or your friends and family. When I read or hear those stories of random strangers dying it's because I've been there or maybe their death's situation is tragic. Am I saying I dwell on it..not at all, but yes I do have an emotional reaction because someone lost a husband, a wife, a brother etc. I lost my Dad unexpectedly last year and it's been hell ever since so yes I feel for those who have died because I know what they are going through. I know not everyone cares, and that's fine I don't expect them to but people react differently to things, and it's not always because "someone told them to"

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by rman112

100+ people around the world die per minute.

Not sure what you point is but thanks for the stat.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Not sure what you point is but thanks for the stat.

How do you properly care for all random people that die?

[petesahuttt]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Oh but they were just peaceful. Even though some of them admitted to having guns.

nvm, this thread is as pointless as posting your ex-girlfriends number in a rando toilet stall

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

You care about the 150,000 people that die every day? Why aren't we pushing to close fast food joints, wearing masks 24/7 to prevent all viruses from spreading, pushing to end abortion (even if you are pro-choice, there's "abortions" that happen post birth), forcing people to exercise an hour a day, etc etc. We, as the general sense, don't care about deaths.

You're just going off on tangents.

Plenty of people advocate for healthy living.

Plenty of people give $$ and time towards causes that work towards reducing deaths and extending life and care deeply about those causes.

"We" have Federal agencies that put all sort of limits and regulations in place that "restrict" freedom to save lives.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by pac213up

You're just going off on tangents.

Plenty of people advocate for healthy living.

Plenty of people give $$ and time towards causes that work towards reducing deaths and extending life and care deeply about those causes.

"We" have Federal agencies that put all sort of limits and regulations in place that "restrict" freedom to save lives.

As are you.

Yes they do, but to the point where we shut down a country, the world? Why are those people not putting limits and regulations while our economy can function as normal? Put in a mask mandate for 60 days, keep protecting the old, work from home. Instead, it's something we never did before to save lives.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

One section of Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society" was so good that I had to find it in Google Books to share with you all. Unfortunately I can't copy and paste, so a link must suffice. Click the link, and click the first "Page >>" Option.

https://books.google.com/books?id=YI...kraine&f=false

This particular chapter deals with the manipulation of statistics and suppression of facts by the media. I know it's nothing new, but I'm no less livid by reading that chapter, specifically at the suppression of famine death statistics in the Ukraine during Stalin's rule. The same manipulation and suppression is rampant today. Few reporters care about the actual truth ... only the version they'd like you to believe.

To that end, it concerns me to wonder how much I'm being manipulated in ways I don't even know. I hate it.

It's pretty scary. I'll dig deep and try to educate myself on what's really going on vs. what the media narrative is and eventually just get so frustrated I have to step away from it all for a while.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

As are you.

Yes they do, but to the point where we shut down a country, the world? Why are those people not putting limits and regulations while our economy can function as normal? Put in a mask mandate for 60 days, keep protecting the old, work from home. Instead, it's something we never did before to save lives.

So somebody correct me if I'm off, but basically what I am getting from this whole conversation is that if you want the economy open then you essentially don't care about people that are dying? Just trying to keep up

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So somebody correct me if I'm off, but basically what I am getting from this whole conversation is that if you want the economy open then you essentially don't care about people that are dying? Just trying to keep up

Maybe? I can't keep up and I'm in it haha.

[DegaBama]

https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...erica/michigan

https://wwjnewsradio.radio.com/artic...GB2ExX_qQNhgJU

This doesn't equate. What more do you want?

Details so you don't have to read. Michigan is doing well NOW with everything, better than most states NOW (we won't talk about the beginning). So Whitmer wants to regress?

[jlzinck]

63% of all Massachusetts deaths Over 8000 total death) were people in nursing homes/assisted living etc.
370 (less than 5%) people under the age of 60 have died. Average age of death is 82 and the deaths for people with underlying conditions is 98%

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

As are you.

Yes they do, but to the point where we shut down a country, the world? Why are those people not putting limits and regulations while our economy can function as normal? Put in a mask mandate for 60 days, keep protecting the old, work from home. Instead, it's something we never did before to save lives.

Your statement was - "we never cared about a random person dying until this year." That is what I replied to because it just is not true.

Debating the merits of a shutdown and to what extent is a different conversation. You can fall on either side of that conversation and still care about preserving life....even of random people.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Not everyone apparently

I'd like to address this specifically if I may.

There are no less than 200 injustices going on in the world at this very moment; effecting the lives of millions and billions. China just swallowed Hong Kong; an event that will have far greater impact on your life and my life than anything COVID related. An event that is likely to shape global policy for years and years to come. Do you care as much about the deaths/jailings of protesters there as you do things here? Probably not, no. And there's a simply reason.

If for four months you were told 24/7 that this World event was massive, that it could impact you and your family in a way you can't imagine and that your way of life could change as a result of this event, you would care. You would care tremendously. It's what your family would talk about when you see them, it's what your kids would ask you about when they came home from school, it's what you'd hear in passing conversation at the grocery store. It would become important to you if for nothing else than it's now part of your daily life.

To be able to break away from that, and think independently of what you are told to think and to feel independently of what you are told to feel is a blessing. I hope that more and more people find this one day and are no longer attached to the media / social media as they are today. There's a reason depression is so prevalent; there's a reason why overdoses are so common, there's a reason why there's so much division and hate online.

Because it's working. 99%+ of every story you read, every news program you watch is about all the pain in the world. Who wouldn't get depressed constantly being told death is coming, people are starving, rapes are happening, murders are prevalent and your President is actually OK with killing his own people.

So I post a graph last night that shows deaths are dwindling, and the response is two fold "How can you be so happy?" and "Don't you have compassion for the dead?". Your life and my life doesn't have to be so terrible; you are allowed to have fun, love things, enjoy the company of others and generally do the best you can to help people around you live a better life. It's OK to be positive, it's OK to be happy and to express that happiness. Don't let anyone ever tell you anything different.

So if you want to be selectively outraged at issue #1720, you go right ahead. But I'm good over here.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

63% of all Massachusetts deaths Over 8000 total death) were people in nursing homes/assisted living etc.
370 (less than 5%) people under the age of 60 have died. Average age of death is 82 and the deaths for people with underlying conditions is 98%

These numbers are true in every state, are true in every country. For the under 60 crowd, the flu is more deadly and more impactful. That is fact.

And yet, here we are. Being told that a husband can not be with his wife to watch the birth of a child, being told not to attend funerals for loved ones, being told not to open your business because you could be killing innocent people. All while watching others have dance parties on the street.

Never ever ever believe a public health official ever again. They don't know jack and even worse, they've shown that they're politically motivated.