WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV - Page 998

mikecamp99 · 01-30-2017, 12:03 AM

Roman had to turn heel, right? How do you throw out the Undertaker in his home town, tell
him to F off, and not become a heel?

fazzle · 01-30-2017, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

I guess it depends how you look at it.

Stone Cold/Vince/Rock was one hell of a story and kept me interested well after the night was over.

This one had nothing. Not a great spot. Not one OMG entrance. Nothing.

Boring rest holds with 3 elite level stars being involved for what felt for like 10 minutes.

The first hour of this rumble is unwatchable. Nothing happened.

The 99 Rumble story had me ANGRY when it happened. Every damn time someone not in the match would come out and ruin it. Every time they cut to Vince on commentary. Every time they cut to what was going on in the back with Austin or anyone else. It was clear Russo didnt even want the Rumble match to happen and did it out of spite more than anything else.

Have you watched it recently? Because like most things from the Attitude Era, it hasn't aged well. The only difference being that this wasn't even good to begin with.

I'd rather be bored than be actively hating everything that I'm seeing.

JustinVerlander07 · 01-30-2017, 12:12 AM

The first half of the rumble match was good, with Strowman dominating and all. Having Goldberg/Lesnar/Taker all clumped at the end only to each be in the match for 2-4 minutes really blew the ending for me.

BoxBreaker72 · 01-30-2017, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by fazzle

The 99 Rumble story had me ANGRY when it happened. Every damn time someone not in the match would come out and ruin it. Every time they cut to Vince on commentary. Every time they cut to what was going on in the back with Austin or anyone else. It was clear Russo didnt even want the Rumble match to happen and did it out of spite more than anything else.

Have you watched it recently? Because like most things from the Attitude Era, it hasn't aged well. The only difference being that this wasn't even good to begin with.

I'd rather be bored than be actively hating everything that I'm seeing.

I will admit I haven't watched it in probably 10 years or so. My memories of it are more about what that night set up story line wise. It's never about the quality of the match itself for me. Battle Royals are painful to watch without gimmicks and surprises (for me at least).

hitman1116 · 01-30-2017, 12:30 AM

lol you people that think Roman can't wrestle....the dude puts on good matches with Chris Jericho...that should tell you how good he is.

I don't know if they'll ever turn Roman full blown heel but I'd rather he fight babyfaces and get the right reaction for both guys. Roman vs. Strowman at Fast Lane, Taker comes out and costs Roman the match, setting up Taker vs. Roman for Mania

Braun gets the Andre Battle Royal win

Bray vs. Orton at Mania after Bray wins the title and Randy turns on Bray, challenging for his title and not for the Universal.

Seth vs. HHH- already set in stone

Cena could take on a plethora of people, hell he could even be in a triple threat with Bray and Randy. Could also take on guys like Baron Corbin or even another match with AJ Styles since Styles still has more victories over Cena.

Styles could be going against Cena could be against Shane especially if he complains that his only chance at regaining his title is in the Chamber.

Raw's Women going to get a fatal 4 way it looks like

Smackdown Women who knows but they didn't have Bliss and Bella touch at all (but I don't see them leaving Lynch or Mickie James out at all)

Cruiserweights probably get a ladder match for the title this year instead of IC.

and that's not even mentioning the Universal Title, the US Title, IC title or both brands Tag Titles

Oh and Shaq vs. Big Show which should take about 3 minutes, 7 minutes with entrances.

CharlieHustle · 01-30-2017, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hitman1116

Braun gets the Andre Battle Royal win
Bray vs. Orton at Mania after Bray wins the title and Randy turns on Bray, challenging for his title and not for the Universal.
Seth vs. HHH- already set in stone
Cena could take on a plethora of people, hell he could even be in a triple threat with Bray and Randy. Could also take on guys like Baron Corbin or even another match with AJ Styles since Styles still has more victories over Cena.

Styles could be going against Cena could be against Shane especially if he complains that his only chance at regaining his title is in the Chamber.
Raw's Women going to get a fatal 4 way it looks like
Smackdown Women who knows but they didn't have Bliss and Bella touch at all (but I don't see them leaving Lynch or Mickie James out at all)
Cruiserweights probably get a ladder match for the title this year instead of IC.

If the Styles/Shane match is for real, then along with what you suggested, I don't see a single big match on the card.
In a year where we could have had Cena/Taker, Styles/Balor, instead we'll get Cena/Corbin and Styles/Shane? Who's the headliner? Rollins/HHH? That seems to be the biggest match on the card.

hitman1116 · 01-30-2017, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

If the Styles/Shane match is for real, then along with what you suggested, I don't see a single big match on the card.
In a year where we could have had Cena/Taker, Styles/Balor, instead we'll get Cena/Corbin and Styles/Shane? Who's the headliner? Rollins/HHH? That seems to be the biggest match on the card.

oh sorry the headliner is the same match that headlined Survivor Series more then likely

Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar which is definitely happening

I'd actually assume that Goldberg vs. KO happens at Fast Lane, then Lesnar costs Goldberg the match leading to the Mania go around.

You weren't getting Styles vs. Balor even if Balor was healthy all year.

And honestly all the Cena/Taker stuff is so blown out of proportion. That would have been a great match like 4 yrs ago when Undertaker just became "only wrestlemania" guy. But do you really want Undertaker vs. Cena where if Undertaker loses, he's losing to a guy who now isn't going to be around for probably 3/4s of every year because he's making movies? I'd rather he lose to a full-timer. I don't think we want another Brock-Taker where no one gets the rub of really beating Brock.

Also WrestleMania transcends the matches. It is its own thing and no matter what will sell out or break record crowds and do tremendous business because the event is what sells, not the card itself.

What was the headlining match last year? Roman vs. HHH....Shane vs. Taker...Brock vs. Ambrose? The card wasn't exactly setting the world on fire and it did over 90k in actual tickets and probably a bunch of comps.

CharlieHustle · 01-30-2017, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by hitman1116

What was the headlining match last year? Roman vs. HHH....Shane vs. Taker...Brock vs. Ambrose? The card wasn't exactly setting the world on fire and it did over 90k in actual tickets and probably a bunch of comps.

I hope you're not implying that ticket sales = good. <---Edit: I see you're not implying that. I didn't read that paragraph about WM being transcendent

Last year's Mania was average/below average, possibly even leaning towards bad.

But, to be completely honest, I'm probably biased when thinking about last year's Mania, I lost steam going into hour 5 and didn't care what the outcome was, I just wanted it to be over.

RE: Cena/Taker, nobody has to get the rub. It's just a Wrestlemania moment. A match we've never seen at Mania and when it's over, we're all but guaranteed to have a 15 minute standing ovation as the crowd realizes that it's most likely Taker's last match. I don't see that happening with Reigns/Taker. The crowd will have some opinion on Reigns' performance and they will vocalize it. IMO, that will take away from Taker's exit.
Cena would be what Cena is, a vanilla baby face who could step aside while Taker gets the appreciation he deserves. So understand, with Cena this isn't about the match. They could have an 8 minute formulaic match, with a handful of signature spots, and that's all they need. Cena will shake Taker's hand and quickly exit, so Taker can soak it all in. It's the fan appreciation that will make this moment.
With Reigns, it IS about the match. Reigns needs to look strong and Taker needs to look like he doesn't have it anymore. Taker will have to put Reigns over and the crowd will be so wrapped up in booing Reigns that Taker's appreciation will have to be put on hold, until the crowd feels it's done sticking it to Roman.

fazzle · 01-30-2017, 01:39 AM

The thing is, WM is no longer WWE's Super Bowl. It's become WWE's All Star Game, where you might get a few cool moments, but none of it will matter going forward.

dbackschamp2001 · 01-30-2017, 02:06 AM

Last year's Mania was way too long, and judging by the Royal Rumble, this year's Mania will be just as long or longer than last year.

Also, this is probably just me, but I think it would be cool if this led to Reigns vs Styles at Wrestlemania.

gorillaz · 01-30-2017, 02:48 AM

Apparently, they used carts for Big E, Bray Wyatt, Big Show, and Braun Strowman's entrances. Explains the close up camera views.

https://twitter.com/BrockLesnarGuy/s...34639340650496

DaKidder · 01-30-2017, 03:12 AM

Just watched the rumble back a second time (night shift on a Sunday is boring lol) & if you remove the lack of "surprise" entrants, it wasn't a bad rumble at all. Did quite a bit to set-up/tease a lot of possible Mania stories, & as much as Roman entering 30 killed a lot of the momentum of the match it made sense in the end to set-up him & Taker. Braun looked like a monster, Corbin gets a huge rub taking him out, Lesnar/Goldberg did what it needed to. It was missing a few of the "must-see rumble moments," but certainly seems like it was booked for a long-term outlook......now Vince, please keep your man-crush away from the title for a while. We're booing you, not him!

snajuice · 01-30-2017, 04:38 AM

Not the best but for 9.99 it was ok...I think Cena is getting better with age, he is starting to grow on me, and my 4YO son loves him

ReggieEvansPC · 01-30-2017, 04:53 AM

I've just got back into wrestling...

But was the 2015 royal rumble design to just kill talent?

I'm watching it now and "Bray Wyatt" is making light work of superstars who look talented.

Jericho · 01-30-2017, 09:45 AM

I have no problem with Orton winning. I think it's a good time to insert him back in the main events where he belongs. I cringe at the thought of Bray winning the title though and Orton facing him. My main complaint is there was no Samoa Joe. Oh and that they wasted a spot on Ty Dillinger. The guy's terrible, and if I was on the main roster I would have been pissed that a jobber from NXT got a spot.

natbornkiller · 01-30-2017, 10:54 AM

okay orton wins, then why is the elimination chamber a smackdown ppv ?

Wolves4Life · 01-30-2017, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by natbornkiller

okay orton wins, then why is the elimination chamber a smackdown ppv ?

Cause the match is for the WWE World Title.

mikecamp99 · 01-30-2017, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by natbornkiller

okay orton wins, then why is the elimination chamber a smackdown ppv ?

Orton will face the winner of the Elimination Chamber, which appears to be Bray Wyatt.

natbornkiller · 01-30-2017, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Cause the match is for the WWE World Title.

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Originally Posted by mikecamp99

Orton will face the winner of the Elimination Chamber, which appears to be Bray Wyatt.

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Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Cause the match is for the WWE World Title.

but would it not be better to have the ec match be for the #1 contender on raw ?

and super cena will lose the title after 1 ppv ?

Wolves4Life · 01-30-2017, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by natbornkiller

but would it not be better to have the ec match be for the #1 contender on raw ?

and super cena will lose the title after 1 ppv ?

RAW's WM title match will be Goldberg defending vs Lesnar. So it makes the SD EC more important.

Wolves4Life · 01-30-2017, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by natbornkiller

but would it not be better to have the ec match be for the #1 contender on raw ?

and super cena will lose the title after 1 ppv ?

So I guess that doesn't make him so super.

spookytwinkie · 01-30-2017, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Sting can't wrestle anymore.

can't? Or isn't allowed to?

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ok..i see your avatar...but you do realize that Sting is officially retired right? and i doubt he wants to risk further potential crippling injury for nothing..

How many other guys have "retired" and came back dozens of times? Exactly.

Actually, it's the opposite. He hasn't gotten surgery bc he won't be able to wrestle again if he does. He still has that desire. He's been very vocal about still wanting that 1 last Match. He says he feels fine.

With something like the rumble, you could come in, toss a few dudes out and get tossed out and be fine.

Wolves4Life · 01-30-2017, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by spookytwinkie

can't? Or isn't allowed to?

How many other guys have "retired" and came back dozens of times? Exactly.

Actually, it's the opposite. He hasn't gotten surgery bc he won't be able to wrestle again if he does. He still has that desire. He's been very vocal about still wanting that 1 last Match. He says he feels fine.

With something like the rumble, you could come in, toss a few dudes out and get tossed out and be fine.

Needs neck surgery.

gorillaz · 01-30-2017, 01:19 PM

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Needs neck surgery.

Not to mention he's retired and a HOFer.

Daniel Bryan was forced to retire and WWE will NOT ever let him wrestle again, so why whould they let Sting?

spookytwinkie · 01-30-2017, 01:25 PM

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Needs neck surgery.

According to sting himself, he doesn't and feels fine.

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JustinVerlander07 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 17,351 gladdyontherise gladdyontherise	The first half of the rumble match was good, with Strowman dominating and all. Having Goldberg/Lesnar/Taker all clumped at the end only to each be in the match for 2-4 minutes really blew the ending for me. __________________ Collecting Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers, Michigan State Spartans, Miz, Jey Uso, Kelani Jordan, Macho Man, WWE "Cavs in 7. Write it down"

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hitman1116 Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,371 collegestudent1116	lol you people that think Roman can't wrestle....the dude puts on good matches with Chris Jericho...that should tell you how good he is. I don't know if they'll ever turn Roman full blown heel but I'd rather he fight babyfaces and get the right reaction for both guys. Roman vs. Strowman at Fast Lane, Taker comes out and costs Roman the match, setting up Taker vs. Roman for Mania Braun gets the Andre Battle Royal win Bray vs. Orton at Mania after Bray wins the title and Randy turns on Bray, challenging for his title and not for the Universal. Seth vs. HHH- already set in stone Cena could take on a plethora of people, hell he could even be in a triple threat with Bray and Randy. Could also take on guys like Baron Corbin or even another match with AJ Styles since Styles still has more victories over Cena. Styles could be going against Cena could be against Shane especially if he complains that his only chance at regaining his title is in the Chamber. Raw's Women going to get a fatal 4 way it looks like Smackdown Women who knows but they didn't have Bliss and Bella touch at all (but I don't see them leaving Lynch or Mickie James out at all) Cruiserweights probably get a ladder match for the title this year instead of IC. and that's not even mentioning the Universal Title, the US Title, IC title or both brands Tag Titles Oh and Shaq vs. Big Show which should take about 3 minutes, 7 minutes with entrances. __________________ 2007 Bowman Chrome Football RC AU set- 31/54 = 57%

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dbackschamp2001 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,384 parksandreselling Dbackschamp2001	Last year's Mania was way too long, and judging by the Royal Rumble, this year's Mania will be just as long or longer than last year. Also, this is probably just me, but I think it would be cool if this led to Reigns vs Styles at Wrestlemania. Last edited by dbackschamp2001; 01-30-2017 at 02:22 AM.

01-30-2017, 03:12 AM	#24937
DaKidder Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 442	Just watched the rumble back a second time (night shift on a Sunday is boring lol) & if you remove the lack of "surprise" entrants, it wasn't a bad rumble at all. Did quite a bit to set-up/tease a lot of possible Mania stories, & as much as Roman entering 30 killed a lot of the momentum of the match it made sense in the end to set-up him & Taker. Braun looked like a monster, Corbin gets a huge rub taking him out, Lesnar/Goldberg did what it needed to. It was missing a few of the "must-see rumble moments," but certainly seems like it was booked for a long-term outlook......now Vince, please keep your man-crush away from the title for a while. We're booing you, not him! __________________ Collecting: Renee Young, Nikki Bella Undisputed cards, Candice LeRae, Cathy Kelley...& any other wrestling that catches my eye

01-30-2017, 01:39 AM	#24934
fazzle Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3,667 mjprz	The thing is, WM is no longer WWE's Super Bowl. It's become WWE's All Star Game, where you might get a few cool moments, but none of it will matter going forward.

01-30-2017, 02:48 AM	#24936
gorillaz Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 10,917	Apparently, they used carts for Big E, Bray Wyatt, Big Show, and Braun Strowman's entrances. Explains the close up camera views. https://twitter.com/BrockLesnarGuy/s...34639340650496

01-30-2017, 04:38 AM	#24938
snajuice Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 995 nicospri snajuice	Not the best but for 9.99 it was ok...I think Cena is getting better with age, he is starting to grow on me, and my 4YO son loves him

01-30-2017, 04:53 AM	#24939
ReggieEvansPC Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 3,400	I've just got back into wrestling... But was the 2015 royal rumble design to just kill talent? I'm watching it now and "Bray Wyatt" is making light work of superstars who look talented. __________________ PC: Reggie Evans LF: Reggie Evans - Bismack Biyombo - Marc Gasol Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/143199198@N02/albums

01-30-2017, 09:45 AM	#24940
Jericho Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,984	I have no problem with Orton winning. I think it's a good time to insert him back in the main events where he belongs. I cringe at the thought of Bray winning the title though and Orton facing him. My main complaint is there was no Samoa Joe. Oh and that they wasted a spot on Ty Dillinger. The guy's terrible, and if I was on the main roster I would have been pissed that a jobber from NXT got a spot.

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natbornkiller Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: bkNY Posts: 22,812	okay orton wins, then why is the elimination chamber a smackdown ppv ? __________________ HAH HAH I STILL HAS THE RIGHT TO EDIT THIS !:eatit: