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Old 09-21-2018, 12:12 AM   #26
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Here is how we can tell if they were consigned or not: 1) contact the sellers of these raw cards. If BODA wants to contact greenie1918al7q who sold the raw 1996 Studio Jeter Gold Press Proof, then he/she can provide a name of the buyer. I'm sure bristol buys under an eBay alt username, so the actual name and address of the buyer will be needed. Bristol sells out of Encinitas, CA. So if the buyer is in or within a few miles of Encinitas, then you know it is him.

2) PSA will not be happy that someone fooled them so badly. They will know who submitted these cards simply based on serial numbers. I'm sure there will be covert action taken based on this thread.
This is pretty much next door to Upper Deck headquarters.
Hmmm....don't need all those machines anymore now that they lost licenses?
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:15 AM   #27
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Here is how we can tell if they were consigned or not: 1) contact the sellers of these raw cards. If BODA wants to contact greenie1918al7q who sold the raw 1996 Studio Jeter Gold Press Proof, then he/she can provide a name of the buyer. I'm sure bristol buys under an eBay alt username, so the actual name and address of the buyer will be needed. Bristol sells out of Encinitas, CA. So if the buyer is in or within a few miles of Encinitas, then you know it is him.

2) PSA will not be happy that someone fooled them so badly. They will know who submitted these cards simply based on serial numbers. I'm sure there will be covert action taken based on this thread.
PSA let Burge get away with things for years, so Covert action wonít be taken.
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:21 AM   #28
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PSA grades cards that are trimmed?

Wow, I was unaware of that.
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:35 AM   #29
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if a card is within proper measurements, should it not be slabbed?
No. People pick out slightly oversized cards because they know they can be trimmed and still meet size requirements. It happens with vintage where there was more size variation. What ended up being THE t206 Wagner was selected and trimmed specifically because it was oversized each way.

My suspicion is that PSA just skips out on checking for really good trim jobs on newer cards and lower value cards altogether. If the size is within tolerance, they move on.
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:58 AM   #30
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PSA let Burge get away with things for years, so Covert action wonít be taken.
and based on his case inventory at the National, they still do.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:03 AM   #31
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Sell trimmed, buy damaged

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Old 09-21-2018, 09:06 AM   #32
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I don't want this to sound the wrong way, but, oh well...

How the hell are people doing this kind of precise, fine line trimming?

I'm a graphic designer and artist, so cutting paper is something I'm very familiar with. I've used scissors, Xacto blades, guillotine cutters... I've even used those Cricut machines. I wouldn't trust myself with any of those things to cut trading card stock that cleanly.

I frequently trim my own artwork down from the original paper size to whatever size I plan on presenting or selling, and I'm pretty good at doing it cleanly, but I wouldn't send any of my work to get graded...

This just astounds me. It's like the guys who can replace jersey swatches for patches on cards with delicate die-cut windows. Seems like a ton of difficult, highly skilled work, but I guess if you buy/sell graded, it's worth it?
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:32 AM   #33
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My suspicion is that PSA just skips out on checking for really good trim jobs on newer cards and lower value cards altogether. If the size is within tolerance, they move on.
This is my take too. On a 1993 SP Jeter or 1986 Fleer Jordan they measure. Otherwise unless something looks askew they don't.
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:36 AM   #34
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so little time is spent with each card they dont spend the time to properly inspect them. that is why these mistakes get through. of course, if they inspected each card more closely, then production would decrease and prices would have to go up.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:54 AM   #35
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This is pretty much next door to Upper Deck headquarters.
Hmmm....don't need all those machines anymore now that they lost licenses?
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Old 09-21-2018, 04:55 PM   #36
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On bristolís PSA 9, the upper left corner of the same card appears perfect:
This is the most asinine example IMO. Without measuring, you can tell this card shouldn't have met size requirements.

Sadly, what is there to do except out any examples you see? And even then, how many people read this board? Ideally, PSA/BGS would do a better job detecting alterations, but is that realistic with the volume they do?
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:08 PM   #37
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This is the most asinine example IMO. Without measuring, you can tell this card shouldn't have met size requirements.

Sadly, what is there to do except out any examples you see? And even then, how many people read this board? Ideally, PSA/BGS would do a better job detecting alterations, but is that realistic with the volume they do?
I would think PSA would do a much better job with the more expensive cards since they charge more to grade them.

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Old 09-22-2018, 02:13 PM   #38
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The worse thing is how people just shrug it off and make jokes about it.

They are the same people who show loyalty to this company. It makes no sense to me.

If you are spending big money on graded cards....I thought the reason was so you know the card is authentic and you know the card is not trimmed or tampered with and its in the actual condition that the grading company says its in.

Don't stuff like we see in this thread defeat the purpose of buying graded?

Whats the point of grading if the grading is not correct?
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Old 09-22-2018, 03:42 PM   #39
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The worse thing is how people just shrug it off and make jokes about it.

They are the same people who show loyalty to this company. It makes no sense to me.

If you are spending big money on graded cards....I thought the reason was so you know the card is authentic and you know the card is not trimmed or tampered with and its in the actual condition that the grading company says its in.

Don't stuff like we see in this thread defeat the purpose of buying graded?

Whats the point of grading if the grading is not correct?
You are 100% correct. There's such a premium on a PSA 10 but this very case should start to get buyers questioning why

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Old 09-22-2018, 04:11 PM   #40
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I am just wondering what is wrong with someone trimming a card to itís actual size in affect restoring a card?


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Old 09-22-2018, 06:27 PM   #41
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I am just wondering what is wrong with someone trimming a card to itís actual size in affect restoring a card?


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Because itís altered.

Itís like buying a classic car that is mint with 600 original miles, paying $$ because itís a mint car with 600 original miles, only to find out that someone had rolled the odometer back from 6600, even though one of the best verification companies guaranteed that the car had 600.
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Old 09-26-2018, 01:47 PM   #42
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Here's one that in of itself is not proof of any chicanery, but given the previous evidence cited concerning this seller it is suspicious. A 2005 SP Authentic Auto Patch /100 Sidney Crosby RC. It was a BGS 9 Raw Grade; now it is a PSA 10 being sold by bristol.


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https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-SP-Aut.../132753446652?
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