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Old 09-02-2014, 09:55 AM   #1
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Default superfractor test proofs

I know nothing about these things? I noticed a lot have showed up on my ebay search recently.
How do people acquire these? Fake?
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Old 09-02-2014, 09:56 AM   #2
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drumroll, please!
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Old 09-02-2014, 10:14 AM   #4
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HAHAHA.
I guess this is gonna be good. I just trying to expand my baseball card knowledge....
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Old 09-02-2014, 10:20 AM   #5
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Would do a forum search, has been covered plenty already.
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Old 09-02-2014, 10:22 AM   #6
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They are identical to the pack-pulled superfractors, but are missing the serial number. They originate from uncut sheets; these uncut sheets were giveaways through social media contests, and pack inserted redemption cards. Some speculate they were back doored, but those reports have not been substantiated. Dealers took the uncut sheets to a printer to professionally cut them, then sell them individually.

I find these make wonderful collectibles, and a more affordable alternative when the pack-pulled versions are not an option. While most test proof superfractors sell at a reasonable discount, some star test proof superfractors like Trout and Jeter can fetch $$$.

The infamy comes to play when nefarious individuals try and pass these off as pack-pulled superfractors.
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Old 09-02-2014, 10:26 AM   #7
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They are identical to the pack-pulled superfractors, but are missing the serial number. They originate from uncut sheets; these uncut sheets were giveaways through social media contests, and pack inserted redemption cards. Some speculate they were back doored, but those reports have not been substantiated. Dealers took the uncut sheets to a printer to professionally cut them, then sell them individually.

I find these make wonderful collectibles, and a more affordable alternative when the pack-pulled versions are not an option. While most test proof superfractors sell at a reasonable discount, some star test proof superfractors like Trout and Jeter can fetch $$$.

The infamy comes to play when nefarious individuals try and pass these off as pack-pulled superfractors.

Ok. Thank you for the info. I assumed they were somewhat legit. Basically they are overpriced cards with superfractor material on them.
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Old 09-02-2014, 10:41 AM   #8
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I think saying they're identical to pack pulled cards (minus the numbering) is a bit misleading. You can tell a test proof from the real deal 95% of the time. The test proof edges are almost always cut too wide and give a general "I'm fake" vibe.

Secondly, I (or any other custom maker) could make a card very similar to the test proofs at any time, so I definitely wouldn't consider them even "somewhat legit".

Just my 2 cents, but these are widely viewed in the same light as fakes. As others have mentioned, there are LOTS of discussions about these suckers on here already.
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I think saying they're identical to pack pulled cards (minus the numbering) is a bit misleading. You can tell a test proof from the real deal 95% of the time. The test proof edges are almost always cut too wide and give a general "I'm fake" vibe.

Secondly, I (or any other custom maker) could make a card very similar to the test proofs at any time, so I definitely wouldn't consider them even "somewhat legit".

Just my 2 cents, but these are widely viewed in the same light as fakes. As others have mentioned, there are LOTS of discussions about these suckers on here already.
In complete agreement. Here is an example of one where the seller got an IP autograph added to his fake. And yes, he is a member here. I love the fact that the card actually says 'Topps Certified Autograph Issue' on the front.

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I think saying they're identical to pack pulled cards (minus the numbering) is a bit misleading. You can tell a test proof from the real deal 95% of the time. The test proof edges are almost always cut too wide and give a general "I'm fake" vibe.

Secondly, I (or any other custom maker) could make a card very similar to the test proofs at any time, so I definitely wouldn't consider them even "somewhat legit".

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Great info, thanks! I heard the "super" material was somewhat readily available.
Personally I wouldn't buy one but they did catch my eye.
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:07 AM   #12
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A guy has listed a ton of '10s on eBay now. He got the Machado auto'd and had it authenticated.
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I think saying they're identical to pack pulled cards (minus the numbering) is a bit misleading. You can tell a test proof from the real deal 95% of the time. The test proof edges are almost always cut too wide and give a general "I'm fake" vibe.

Secondly, I (or any other custom maker) could make a card very similar to the test proofs at any time, so I definitely wouldn't consider them even "somewhat legit".
They are made by Topps, so they are completely different than what you(or any other custom maker) create by themselves. These are from Topps and made by Topps.

Furthermore, saying that you can tell the difference 95% of the time, and that the edges are almost always cut wide, is very melodramatic and exaggerated. While some can be poorly cut, many are professionally cut by printers using lasers.

I own over 24 packed pulled superfractors, and about a dozen test proof superfractors. On one particular card, I own both the packed pulled AND the test proof, and they are IDENTICAL (aside from the serial number).
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He's also got the Trout from 2011 PSA/DNA'd...it looks pretty sweet.
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:25 AM   #15
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For reasons that none of us know, these have made their way into the open market in sheet form through numerous auction houses. Not just superfractors, but base cards as well as all other versions of refractors. They are typically cut larger than regular cards (why, I'm not sure) and are NOT stamped in any way (although with the fraud running through the hobby, I suspect that's forthcoming).

Rest assured Topps DID make them, but did not intend for them to enter the hobby, to the best of our knowledge.

Be careful.
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They are made by Topps, so they are completely different than what you(or any other custom maker) create by themselves. These are from Topps and made by Topps.

Furthermore, saying that you can tell the difference 95% of the time, and that the edges are almost always cut wide, is very melodramatic and exaggerated. While some can be poorly cut, many are professionally cut by printers using lasers.

I own over 24 packed pulled superfractors, and about a dozen test proof superfractors. On one particular card, I own both the packed pulled AND the test proof, and they are IDENTICAL (aside from the serial number).
Pictures please? I'm curious now.
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They are made by Topps, so they are completely different than what you(or any other custom maker) create by themselves. These are from Topps and made by Topps.

Furthermore, saying that you can tell the difference 95% of the time, and that the edges are almost always cut wide, is very melodramatic and exaggerated. While some can be poorly cut, many are professionally cut by printers using lasers.

I own over 24 packed pulled superfractors, and about a dozen test proof superfractors. On one particular card, I own both the packed pulled AND the test proof, and they are IDENTICAL (aside from the serial number).
Post them then. I find it fairly easy to differentiate between but less informed consumers certainly can be taken. Cut by printers using lasers? You do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about do you?
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Post them then. I find it fairly easy to differentiate between but less informed consumers certainly can be taken. Cut by printers using lasers? You do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about do you?
I owned two - a Gattis orange (?) refractor auto and a Singleton orange refractor auto. The Gattis was never released, but obviously the Singleton was. I did compare them side by side and the edges were identical. If not for the border being larger and there being no serial #ing...and of course, no autograph, I would say that they were....

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I owned two - a Gattis orange (?) refractor auto and a Singleton orange refractor auto. The Gattis was never released, but obviously the Singleton was. I did compare them side by side and the edges were identical. If not for the border being larger and there being no serial #ing...and of course, no autograph, I would say that they were....

While I too love me some Vinny, the highlighted portion of your comment would not make them identical.
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They are made by Topps, so they are completely different than what you(or any other custom maker) create by themselves. These are from Topps and made by Topps.

Furthermore, saying that you can tell the difference 95% of the time, and that the edges are almost always cut wide, is very melodramatic and exaggerated. While some can be poorly cut, many are professionally cut by printers using lasers.

I own over 24 packed pulled superfractors, and about a dozen test proof superfractors. On one particular card, I own both the packed pulled AND the test proof, and they are IDENTICAL (aside from the serial number).
Where did you go? Post those scans when you get a chance.
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While I too love me some Vinny, the highlighted portion of your comment would not make them identical.
"if not for the border being larger and there being no serial #ing...and of course, no autograph", they would be identical.

The border can be cut, the serial #ing can be added, and an auto can be obtained.
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"if not for the border being larger and there being no serial #ing...and of course, no autograph", they would be identical.

The border can be cut, the serial #ing can be added, and an auto can be obtained.
So let me get this straight. Other than a few major quality issues, they are identical. Got it. Have you been disbarred?

I find you to be a very funny individual, especially with what you determine to be within industry standards and what is not.
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here is a pic of the PSA/DNA'd Trout from eBay

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How do people acquire these? Fake?

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