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Old 06-13-2018, 10:29 PM   #326
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couple quick hits, as i'm too tired from a cross-california drive to go down the rabbit hole right now, but some of my thoughts as i catch up on the thread from the past few days...

1) not to beat a dead horse about the comic stuff, and i get it doesn't affect the BGS side, but man, the optics are really awful on acquiring another grading company in a different sector while the card side suffers. i'm sure the wheels were in motion before all this went down over the past few months, but wow, it sure looks bad to me. and the fact that even after establishing the disconnect between the two, we're still talking about it, shows how bad those optics are.

2) question for WJCIII... does Beckett keep a library of known fakes and authentic key cards or vintage issues for reference? i saw you mentioned in an earlier post that if you don't know how to spot a fake 52 mantle or 86 jordan, you're as good as eliminated from employment contention right off the bat. i would think having some actual (as well as verified counterfeit) 52 topps or 86 fleers, even commons - i wouldn't expect them to have a 3 million dollar raw mantle available for graders to paw over - to refer to when one of those key cards comes in would go a long way in aiding a relative rookie in identifying these issues.

3) opinion only: not being able to find good graders has a flipside to it, and that's not being able to find good management either. i appreciate that jewcer had the opportunity to discuss these issues with Jeromy Murray, but considering everything that's transpired over the past year, and my own personal problems with BGS and dealings with him on a couple of occasions over the years, i gotta tell you, i have no idea how this guy still has a job there. i'm sure he's a great guy in his personal life, and i never want to see someone get fired, but i can't help but think he's got some built in job security solely based on the fact that finding a suitable replacement after this many years would be more trouble than it's worth for BGS. the controversies over the past couple of years have all happened on his watch, and there doesn't seem, from the outside looking in, to be any real repercussions for his job performance. i don't work in the card-collecting industry, but if my company went through this much trouble on my watch, you can sure as hell bet i'd be out on my ass before long.
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:41 AM   #327
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Taco Bell is still better than Chipotle. Bring me something that ends in "berto's" and I will be a customer for life in the North East.
I agree with this ^^^ and this is coming from a Mexican who can read, write and speak in Spanish.



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Old 06-15-2018, 09:28 AM   #328
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No they can't. The name on the slab is far more important than the consistency of the grading. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it is.
I hear yah. Good innovation puts dinosaurs out of business all the time. It IS possible.
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:52 AM   #329
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No they can't. The name on the slab is far more important than the consistency of the grading. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it is.
if joe orlando left psa and took like half of the graders...... and somehow publicly was able to create a lot of buzz through social media, professional athletes, etc, in a new start up grading company.... that is a scenario that could work

the pricing would need to be great, the turnaround times would need to be great, they would need some big time items to be seen by the masses. they would also need a ground breaking feature like the psa registry; just something that would be able to change the game for collecting.... they would also need to work at no profit for 2-3 years until the brand stuck, in which time they would need to increase the number of graders

the "right" scenario could allow for a third member to break through...... but even if successful initially you wouldn't really know for 5 or more years if the company would be a success long term


the up front sacrifice would need to be monumental in trying to build the best brand and quality.... and that is likely why nobody will try something like this... there are a lot of moving parts that would need to meet up perfectly

it's just too much risk; not to mention the overhead of a facility, insurance, etc that may not provide a return for 5 or more years
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Old 06-16-2018, 09:10 AM   #330
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Personally, I like SGC and that is where my cards go to get graded but I do 100% old vintage, and in that space they are the best. (Disclaimer- I also do business with them as a vendor.)
That all said, I know the accuser very well. He is a good guy but until he produces some copyright or trademark evidence he is up shi^&'s creek without a paddle. I have never submitted to BGS but I do like BVG (I just wish they had a marketing dept to help their cause.). Whomever (above) said what they said about the BGS management sounds like he knows what he is talking about too.

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Old 06-16-2018, 11:38 AM   #331
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if joe orlando left psa and took like half of the graders...... and somehow publicly was able to create a lot of buzz through social media, professional athletes, etc, in a new start up grading company.... that is a scenario that could work

the pricing would need to be great, the turnaround times would need to be great, they would need some big time items to be seen by the masses. they would also need a ground breaking feature like the psa registry; just something that would be able to change the game for collecting.... they would also need to work at no profit for 2-3 years until the brand stuck, in which time they would need to increase the number of graders

the "right" scenario could allow for a third member to break through...... but even if successful initially you wouldn't really know for 5 or more years if the company would be a success long term


the up front sacrifice would need to be monumental in trying to build the best brand and quality.... and that is likely why nobody will try something like this... there are a lot of moving parts that would need to meet up perfectly

it's just too much risk; not to mention the overhead of a facility, insurance, etc that may not provide a return for 5 or more years

This has been tried already with Steve Rocchi, Mike Baker and about 5 to 10 other former PSA employees. They even opened up an office about two miles from PSA. GAI did not work out.
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Old 06-16-2018, 02:06 PM   #332
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This has been tried already with Steve Rocchi, Mike Baker and about 5 to 10 other former PSA employees. They even opened up an office about two miles from PSA. GAI did not work out.
probably woulda helped if Rocchi didn't appear to be such an unrepentant criminal.
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This has been tried already with Steve Rocchi, Mike Baker and about 5 to 10 other former PSA employees. They even opened up an office about two miles from PSA. GAI did not work out.
It seemed like they generated some very profitable consignmints though.
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This has been tried already with Steve Rocchi, Mike Baker and about 5 to 10 other former PSA employees. They even opened up an office about two miles from PSA. GAI did not work out.
"It takes money to make money"...It would work, but you'll need enough $$$ to survive the 1st few years of making no profit and/or loss.

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