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03-22-2018, 02:39 PM | #76 | |
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reaching those levels isn't the end it's those that can capture the 40 man roster spots that should reap the rewards all others, work hard, keep trying and if all else fails...coach somewhere and do private lessons in the indoor facilities spread across the country hundreds of thousands of students are spending major bucks annually for tuition yet it doesn't guarantee them CEO money does it? Their parents spent $15-$30K annually for K-12 private education too...yet it doesn't guarantee them a great starting salary after college? |
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03-22-2018, 02:40 PM | #77 | |
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Pay 130 minor leaguers an additional $4,000 per month. $24,000 per year x 130 employees.
$3MM per year, per owner. And the return for that investment is absolutely nothing. You don’t attract a better class of player, u earn $0 in added revenue and u probably won’t even get a Christmas card from any of the 130 players whose lives you enriched. A nice gesture. But really stupid Quote:
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03-22-2018, 02:41 PM | #78 |
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It is rookie ball for a reason, and yes, there's maybe 1 or 2, maybe future MLB players on those rosters in the AZL and GCL.
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03-22-2018, 02:48 PM | #80 | |
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I agree with most of your ideas but exaggerating numbers isn't helping your case. I don't think anyone said an additional $4,000/month.
An additional $1,000/month was thrown out there, so $1.04MM per year. I still agree with your point, but it loses some steam when you throw out over the top raises. Quote:
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03-22-2018, 02:48 PM | #81 | |
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I may have a six figure job now but I busted my butt working for $23K my first few years while taking a loss financially coaching (counting the drinking expenses after games) it's America --- we don't have to share the wealth evenly |
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03-22-2018, 02:49 PM | #82 |
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The carnivals didn't set up a lobbying office in DC and haven't spent the past 2 years lobbying to keep the seasonal workers' pay down. However, if the carnies are paid less than minimum wage, I'll take up that fight
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03-22-2018, 02:49 PM | #83 | |
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My personal beliefs on the matter seem to be completely in line with yours. Even so, I still wish the owners would step up. Even if they aren't required to. Even if it doesn't "attract a better class of player" and even if it adds "$0 in added revenue". Sometimes the right thing is just the right thing, even if it isn't appreciated by those you do it for, although I believe that it would be. |
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03-22-2018, 02:51 PM | #84 |
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03-22-2018, 02:53 PM | #85 |
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I absolutely love this post and it is 100% true. Were you to use carnival workers, interns, fast food button pushers or almost any other example, I'd be inclined not to care. However, I love baseball so I have chosen to open my heart for the players and bend my philosophy in this instance. It may not be 'fair' but we all have our biases, some are good and some are bad.
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03-22-2018, 02:57 PM | #86 |
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03-22-2018, 03:02 PM | #87 | |
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$13/beer $7.50 hot dogs spring training isn't cheap AFL on the other hand ------ $8 a game and sit anywhere |
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03-22-2018, 03:04 PM | #88 | |
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And I’m not fighting for the players, I’m just shocked with how little they’re making. Like a lot of people I know, I’m sure many of these Dominican players are sending a good portion of their checks to their families back home. They’re really making nothin |
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I don't believe making the donation in this instance is right. I understand the gesture, whether it's $1,000 a month or $4,000 (I tried to make the job a $75,000 a year salary divided in half for a six month season). But giving an employee extra money "simply because" doesn't work for me. It sets a terrible precedent. Here's more money, not because you earned it, not because you're worth it, but because I'm forced to give it to you. When owners purchased a team, they did so with a contract in place for minor leaguers. In the same way players would hate to be forced to earn less than what they agreed to, I think it would suck if owners were forced to pay more than they agreed to. Let the market do the work.
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03-22-2018, 03:16 PM | #91 | |
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never once have I ever heard them complain and feel cheated by the system they all know what they're getting into they understand that it's a unique situation where the signing bonuses help off set the fact that they skipped college scholarships to sign, that they aren't playing to get rich immediately, that they will have decent paying jobs when they are done playing coaching in HS/College and doing private lessons at $60/hr they know they are basically interns and apprentices playing a sport, getting training on their sport and physical training I still never understood why guys like Acuna, Vlad, and so on don't buy balls by the dozen and sign like crazy and sell them off on ebay at $75 each |
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03-22-2018, 03:21 PM | #92 | |
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I agree with setting a terrible precedent ... if your following point was accurate but I don't think that it is. I DO think they are worth it and I DO feel that they earned it. I never once said or advocated doing it "simply because". You will never see me supporting someone getting something for nothing, it's a practice that I detest. If someone isn't worthy, they aren't worthy. A fry cook at McDonalds isn't worth $15 an hour, they just aren't. You think minor league baseball players (outside of the stars) are worthless, I disagree. Even if just as a 'sparring partner' for the future MLB stars, they have value in the process. That is really the only place we are differing, my philosophy on the matter is the same as yours, I just see value in the players where you don't. How is "the market to do the work" when the market is a monopoly? I begrudge the owners nothing but I do believe fair is fair. Don't want the government telling you how much to pay your employees? I'm good with that as long as you give back all of the government subsidies you've received for stadiums or anything else and never ask for another penny ever again. |
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03-22-2018, 03:35 PM | #93 | |
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Say I agree w/ you in terms of value (for arguments sake only, I don't think I can get there). Instead of taking it out of the owners pockets, can we take it out of the superstar players pockets? Next CBA; negotiate a higher wage for the minor leagues, and consider say $100MM less for FA and long term contracts in the future?
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Funny you say this, I had typed up this exact same idea earlier in the thread but I always reread my posts before hitting submit. Upon that reread I realized how preposterous the idea was, no way the players would ever take money out of their own pockets to give to the underlings. As such, I deleted the post.
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03-22-2018, 03:50 PM | #95 | |
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My primary argument here is that investing more money in the business, with no return, is dumb. However if you want to reorganize the money already there to pay players in the minors more, because they're worth it; cool. As an owner, I don't see the value you do, but I also have no problem giving Arrieta $1M less this year to spread across my minor league system. But let's not kid ourselves. The players won't give a dime. So if the players won't budge to pay the players ... what's the argument?
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03-22-2018, 03:52 PM | #96 |
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Adrian Beltre took 30 young players to BWW last week in Surprise AZ
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03-22-2018, 03:58 PM | #97 |
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Yeah, the AFL sounds like a great deal and why I need to take a trip out there. Best deal here is UF baseball-$4-$10 tickets and Sunday (even SEC ones) games have $1 tickets. Tons of future MLB players and 1st rounders to see.
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