football picks - what does PUSH mean?

IndySportsCards · 10-25-2009, 05:37 PM

I picked Houston to win the game, but I didn't get a point for my pick, and in the results are it says Push, Hou 24, SF 21

What does Push mean? The point spread was 3

I assume it means since they didn't win by more than 3 I don't get a point for my pick, is that correct?

MasterPattie · 10-25-2009, 05:46 PM

PUSH = Bookie wins

iluvfish2 · 10-25-2009, 05:48 PM

Thats kinda my guess, its not a win, but not a loss, so nobody wins and points wont be issued for that game.

MasterPattie · 10-25-2009, 05:50 PM

Well if the house wins on a PUSH it's as good as a loss. I'm pretty sure that's the way it works...

iluvfish2 · 10-25-2009, 05:59 PM

IF it helps at all I picked Houston.

wolffer12 · 10-25-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterPattie

PUSH = Bookie wins

WRONG!!!! It means it was a tie and nothing else. Nobody gets any money or correct pick for it. Bookies only get money when you lose not when you tie.

MasterPattie · 10-25-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wolffer12

WRONG!!!! It means it was a tie and nothing else. Nobody gets any money or correct pick for it. Bookies only get money when you lose not when you tie.

Well that's not usually how it works, my friend. Typically the HOUSE wins on a push...

...that's sportsbetting 101...

marino5084 · 10-25-2009, 06:19 PM

Sports betting 201

Push
Definition: A tie against the spread. On straight bets the result is "no action." All monies are returned as if the bet had never been made. On parlay cards typically the number of teams in the parlay is lowered by one to account for the push.

In the event of a push, the game is considered no action, and no money is won or lost.

wolffer12 · 10-25-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterPattie

Well that's not usually how it works, my friend. Typically the HOUSE wins on a push...

...that's sportsbetting 101...

You really don't know I know how the books work. Wow child please... nice post! Keep those great posts coming so you can look more foolish.

wolffer12 · 10-25-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wolffer12

WRONG!!!! It means it was a tie and nothing else. Nobody gets any money or correct pick for it. Bookies only get money when you lose not when you tie.

THIS is ALWAYS how a push works.

ronlabo · 10-25-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterPattie

PUSH = Bookie wins

WTF kinda bookie do you use

MasterPattie · 10-25-2009, 06:29 PM

Guess I got hosed all those years...

IndySportsCards · 10-25-2009, 07:17 PM

thanks guys. I'm 9 for 11 this week so far. I pick MN over the Steelers, so I lose that one, and with the Push are my only two I didn't get. Helps make up for my 3 correct picks last week.

carlo16 · 10-26-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterPattie

Well that's not usually how it works, my friend. Typically the HOUSE wins on a push...

...that's sportsbetting 101...

Yeah...at a stag.

BAMBAM · 10-26-2009, 09:52 AM

You guys don't pay your book the juice on a push ? Wow, I've been out of the calling em in loop for awhile but didn't know things changed that much

MasterPattie · 10-26-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BAMBAM

You guys don't pay your book the juice on a push ? Wow, I've been out of the calling em in loop for awhile but didn't know things changed that much

Glad I wasn't the only one...

BAMBAM · 10-26-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterPattie

Glad I wasn't the only one...

No dude, you were the only one. Juice is not paying as if you lost.

npbaker1 · 10-26-2009, 10:26 AM

I think it also depends on if you also have the option of betting a push because while I do not do sports book stuff I know on some casino table games you have the option of betting push and if you do not bet on push and it is a push you lose.

BAMBAM · 10-26-2009, 10:33 AM

The only place that I know of that considers a tie a straight up loss is on football pools. You know, those glorious white pieces of paper with all the weeks upcoming college and pro games listed for your convenience that magically appear on job sites across the country come Monday morning.

mgugs46 · 10-26-2009, 10:37 AM

You never pay juice on a PUSH - ever, not in any way shape or form - unless you are making Teaser or Parlay bets, in which case, having a PUSH in there makes it a loss in some cases.

On a straight up bet, a PUSH is never a loss [or a win]

BAMBAM · 10-26-2009, 10:57 AM

Don't say never when you really don't know it to be fact. Back when I bet, the one guy I used the most took juice on a push from a straight bet (no tease or parlay) I didn't mind because A.) it rarely happened and B.) he also had 3 team 10 point teasers that had the same juice as 2 team 6 or 7 point teasers and I loved the 10 point Ts. Some books wouldn't even offer the 10 pointers. There wasn't any on-line betting so you had to ask around.

Totally different these days. Just found out Saturday there are now 4 team 13.5 point T's as well thanks to the wonders of on-line betting. They probably had those in Vegas forever but not in Philly.

CaptainBOHICA · 10-26-2009, 11:49 AM

the only game where the house wins money on a PUSH is pai gow. LOL.

mgugs46 · 10-26-2009, 12:43 PM

When I say never - I am talking about with an actual gambling site, or in Vegas, not just any random person who decides he is going to take bets - obviously they can make up whatever silly rules they want to

mwheeler27 · 10-26-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mgugs46

When I say never - I am talking about with an actual gambling site, or in Vegas, not just any random person who decides he is going to take bets - obviously they can make up whatever silly rules they want to

Then I guess the word "never" really doesn't apply.

jlzinck · 10-26-2009, 02:10 PM

I had a 9 team teaser yesterday and one game was a push and I won the other 8.

So my payout got lowered to the 8 team teaser rate of 15/1.

Got $80 back for my $5 bet

My winning wager was
Indy -9
Indy/StL Under 51
GB -3
GB GB/Cle Under 47 1/2
SD Pick
SD/KC Under 50
Minn +12
Minn/Pitt Under 51 1/2

Woot

10-25-2009, 05:37 PM	#1
IndySportsCards Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: EO 13848 Posts: 41,661 braco0 IndySportsCards	football picks - what does PUSH mean? I picked Houston to win the game, but I didn't get a point for my pick, and in the results are it says Push, Hou 24, SF 21 What does Push mean? The point spread was 3 I assume it means since they didn't win by more than 3 I don't get a point for my pick, is that correct? __________________ Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right.

10-25-2009, 05:48 PM	#3
iluvfish2 Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lansing, Michigan Posts: 26,644 iluvfish2 iluvfish2	Thats kinda my guess, its not a win, but not a loss, so nobody wins and points wont be issued for that game. __________________ Blowouts Resident Wade Boggs Super Collector

10-25-2009, 05:59 PM	#5
iluvfish2 Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lansing, Michigan Posts: 26,644 iluvfish2 iluvfish2	IF it helps at all I picked Houston. __________________ Blowouts Resident Wade Boggs Super Collector

10-25-2009, 06:19 PM	#8
marino5084 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In the air Posts: 6,493 marino50841984	Sports betting 201 Push Definition: A tie against the spread. On straight bets the result is "no action." All monies are returned as if the bet had never been made. On parlay cards typically the number of teams in the parlay is lowered by one to account for the push. In the event of a push, the game is considered no action, and no money is won or lost. __________________ But his name is James Cortellessa, retired air force, loving grandfather, father and husband, and the best smartass around. RIP PAPAJIM Sabrina Cortellessa

10-25-2009, 07:17 PM	#13
IndySportsCards Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: EO 13848 Posts: 41,661 braco0 IndySportsCards	thanks guys. I'm 9 for 11 this week so far. I pick MN over the Steelers, so I lose that one, and with the Push are my only two I didn't get. Helps make up for my 3 correct picks last week. __________________ Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right. Last edited by IndySportsCards; 10-25-2009 at 07:27 PM.

10-25-2009, 05:46 PM	#2
MasterPattie Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,750	PUSH = Bookie wins

10-25-2009, 05:50 PM	#4
MasterPattie Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,750	Well if the house wins on a PUSH it's as good as a loss. I'm pretty sure that's the way it works...

10-25-2009, 06:29 PM	#12
MasterPattie Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,750	Guess I got hosed all those years...

10-26-2009, 09:52 AM	#15
BAMBAM Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern New Jersey Posts: 8,460	You guys don't pay your book the juice on a push ? Wow, I've been out of the calling em in loop for awhile but didn't know things changed that much __________________ IF YOU CAN'T TAKE AN HONEST REPLY THEN DON'T ASK. ALWAYS BUYING '97 LEGENDS AUTOS OR H.O.F. AUTO NEEDS

10-26-2009, 10:26 AM	#18
npbaker1 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hartville OH Posts: 1,790 fatboysurprise npbaker1	I think it also depends on if you also have the option of betting a push because while I do not do sports book stuff I know on some casino table games you have the option of betting push and if you do not bet on push and it is a push you lose.

10-26-2009, 10:33 AM	#19
BAMBAM Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern New Jersey Posts: 8,460	The only place that I know of that considers a tie a straight up loss is on football pools. You know, those glorious white pieces of paper with all the weeks upcoming college and pro games listed for your convenience that magically appear on job sites across the country come Monday morning. __________________ IF YOU CAN'T TAKE AN HONEST REPLY THEN DON'T ASK. ALWAYS BUYING '97 LEGENDS AUTOS OR H.O.F. AUTO NEEDS

10-26-2009, 10:37 AM	#20
mgugs46 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 15,090 mgugs0046 mgugs46	You never pay juice on a PUSH - ever, not in any way shape or form - unless you are making Teaser or Parlay bets, in which case, having a PUSH in there makes it a loss in some cases. On a straight up bet, a PUSH is never a loss [or a win]

10-26-2009, 10:57 AM	#21
BAMBAM Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern New Jersey Posts: 8,460	Don't say never when you really don't know it to be fact. Back when I bet, the one guy I used the most took juice on a push from a straight bet (no tease or parlay) I didn't mind because A.) it rarely happened and B.) he also had 3 team 10 point teasers that had the same juice as 2 team 6 or 7 point teasers and I loved the 10 point Ts. Some books wouldn't even offer the 10 pointers. There wasn't any on-line betting so you had to ask around. Totally different these days. Just found out Saturday there are now 4 team 13.5 point T's as well thanks to the wonders of on-line betting. They probably had those in Vegas forever but not in Philly. __________________ IF YOU CAN'T TAKE AN HONEST REPLY THEN DON'T ASK. ALWAYS BUYING '97 LEGENDS AUTOS OR H.O.F. AUTO NEEDS

10-26-2009, 11:49 AM	#22
CaptainBOHICA Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 9,814 captainbohica	the only game where the house wins money on a PUSH is pai gow. LOL.

10-26-2009, 12:43 PM	#23
mgugs46 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 15,090 mgugs0046 mgugs46	When I say never - I am talking about with an actual gambling site, or in Vegas, not just any random person who decides he is going to take bets - obviously they can make up whatever silly rules they want to

10-26-2009, 02:10 PM	#25
jlzinck Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cape Cod, MA Posts: 32,402 jlzinck jl_zinck	I had a 9 team teaser yesterday and one game was a push and I won the other 8. So my payout got lowered to the 8 team teaser rate of 15/1. Got $80 back for my $5 bet My winning wager was Indy -9 Indy/StL Under 51 GB -3 GB GB/Cle Under 47 1/2 SD Pick SD/KC Under 50 Minn +12 Minn/Pitt Under 51 1/2 Woot