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Old 05-09-2016, 02:37 AM   #1
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Default 1979 O-Pee-Chee Wayne Gretzky Advice

Good evening,

I would really appreciate some advice and feedback regarding a couple of 1979 O-Pee-Chee Wayne Gretzky PSA 9's that I own. No comment will be discounted, please give me your honest opinions.

What I am thinking about doing is attempting a possible PSA 10 grade bump.

What I am hoping for from this community is advice, recommendations, and also "Why" you would choose one over the other.

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Old 05-09-2016, 11:29 AM   #2
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you won't get a psa 10 - perfect Gretzky OPC rookie don't exist.
That first one has rough edges - easy to see why it isn't a psa 10. The second one is either a trimmed or sheet cut copy. Not sure how that one got slabbed in the first place.
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Old 05-09-2016, 11:45 AM   #3
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kind of surprised the first one got a 9 with those edges
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Old 05-09-2016, 11:59 AM   #4
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See post here. http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/h...ky-advice.html

Normal edges grading don't apply. Rough edges don't hurt the grade on this card. It's part of the lore of 79/80 OPC set. See the PSA 10. I actually think that NOT having rough edges on this card is a bad sign.
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Old 05-09-2016, 01:47 PM   #5
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555 - The fish eye on the top of the front will keep it from ever resting in a PSA 10 slab. That aside, the bottom right corner looks weak. Beautiful card though.

842 - I agree. I have no idea how that card was graded as there is absolutely no rough cut evident. The scan has also been cleaned up so much I can't comment on it other then there is no telling what print defects and noise the scan clean removed.

That said, both cards are great, and you should be pleased as is.
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Old 05-09-2016, 07:48 PM   #6
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Wow! Beautiful cards.

The first rough cut does not prevent a higher grade. The PSA 10 is a rough cut.

The second card might be sheet cut. However, I opened a lot of packs and a few boxes back when these cards came out and it was not uncommon for one or two cards per pack to look clean cut. I just went back and looked at my set and many cards exhibit no rough cuts and they are all from wax packs.

I doubt of a card of this magnitude PSA is going to bump easily. We are talking about a huge price differential.

I would try them both once and see why they leave them in 9 holders before submitting them again.
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:34 PM   #7
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First off the cards look great.

Card one has two fish eyes and a slight registration issue on the front, are those plastic bits inside the case on back or on the card? The edges of this card look awesome!

The second has some snow PD, plus the bottom right edge has some wear to it.

Good luck if you review.
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Old 05-11-2016, 12:03 AM   #8
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Grading is subjective, you might turn the 9 into a 10 or it remain a 9 or lower to an 8, I'd not get to fixated by the grading #, just keep your cards, "They are what they are" and if anyone tells you they're an 8, 9 or 10, they didn't do anything to change the condition of the card, they're giving their opinion, that's it.

If you're chasing a number, go with a different grading company.

What you could do is switch to BGS, then you can get sub-grades, 'tho I'm not sure if for vintage cards the do sub-grade assignments on their labels or not.
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:44 AM   #9
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Awesome cards - I have a couple Gretz rookies in my collection but yours crush the condition mine are in (and I really like the looks of mine as well).

I agree with the majority here - while your cards are in fantastic condition, the risk vs reward is just too high to try and attain, what seems to be, the mythical plateau of a 10. I know far less about grading than many around here but have seen a ton of Gretzkys and the odds would seem to be stacked against you - I have a gut feeling that you have a better chance of having them grade lower than higher.

Best of luck in your decision, regardless of what you do those are some fantastic looking cards.

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Normal edges grading don't apply. Rough edges don't hurt the grade on this card. It's part of the lore of 79/80 OPC set. See the PSA 10. I actually think that NOT having rough edges on this card is a bad sign.
I agree with Davis on this point as well - the rough edges on the OPC version make the card legit, a clean edge tells me it was cut.
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Old 05-11-2016, 12:39 PM   #10
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I agree with Davis on this point as well - the rough edges on the OPC version make the card legit, a clean edge tells me it was cut.
I agree as well. Many seasoned collectors actually prefer the rough cut on OPC issues.

Nice cards. I'd keep them as is.
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Old 05-11-2016, 12:51 PM   #11
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If you're chasing a number, go with a different grading company.

What you could do is switch to BGS, then you can get sub-grades, 'tho I'm not sure if for vintage cards the do sub-grade assignments on their labels or not.
This would be a HUGE "no". This philosophy may stand up for most other cards, but certainly not the OPC Gretzky RC. PSA is king with this card and many hardcore collectors (only a hardcore collector is going to buy a PSA 9 Gretzky) won't touch high grade OPC Gretzky RC's unless they're in a PSA holder. See my earlier comments and analysis about sheet-cut grading here: http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/h...ky-advice.html

And even if you're lucky enough to convert a PSA 9 to a BGS or BVG 9.5, you'll be losing. A PSA 9 outsells a BGS 9.5 eight days/week.
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Old 06-07-2016, 06:58 PM   #12
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The lone psa 10 came from a bvg 9.5 holder
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:07 PM   #13
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The lone psa 10 came from a bvg 9.5 holder
That is not true. I believe they were both graded at the National but the PSA 10 is from a pack and the BVG 9.5 is (if my memory serves me correctly) from a sheet.
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Old 06-09-2016, 04:48 PM   #14
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That is not true. I believe they were both graded at the National but the PSA 10 is from a pack and the BVG 9.5 is (if my memory serves me correctly) from a sheet.
I don't have any first hand knowledge, just what I read.

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Old 06-09-2016, 09:03 PM   #15
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Thanks for posting the link. I believe the card was never in a BVG 9.5 holder and was graded raw at a National show. So, I do think the article is not correct.
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