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Old 09-14-2018, 02:25 PM   #76
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and the NFLPA.

exactly

they could not charge panini the same amount if they said panini could only make 10 releases a year. i believe the agreement is for a minimum of around 30.
The minimum is 35 and they actually stick to that each year. I want to say when the exclusive was first mentioned, Panini said ideally they'd keep it around 25 per year but they had to do what they had to do.

They're making money regardless but I think they know that overproduction and a lot of similar releases are happening as a result of this.
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:50 PM   #77
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YES!!!!! I knew the helmet thing was legit.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:02 PM   #78
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It has deteriorated in recent years IMO. I had a very good year with FB in 2010--at the time, it was a good draft class, there were some really interesting products out, and a lot of interest.

As mentioned, there are some systemic issues with the sport that will limit the collectibility versus baseball--to me the biggest is new names don't get time to develop before they are judged as good or bad. So right away most of the rookie football cards are considered crap. You may get a couple that jump out of that bucket with a few good games, but how often have those guys retained value?

If you take the flagship baseball products out of the equation that have multi-generational collectors and remove the prospect products, is it really that much different from football value-wise? Maybe on the top-end, but baseball products have a lot of low-value autos and relic cards just like football. I think baseball reveres the Rookie Card more, but with the RC shield being abused by Topps I think that may matter less with younger collectors.

Or maybe I'm just full of it
I collected mostly football in 2010 too.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:07 PM   #79
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The real question is- Why the heck are baseball cards still so popular? The sport itself seems to be slowly regressing into regional appeal only.
Agree with this. Basketball is different w/ international market, but baseball cards being so popular makes football cards seem less so. So, why are baseball cards so popular? I have no idea....
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:30 PM   #80
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Wouldn't the NFL still make money? I would think they agreement is set up on a per product fee and then to keep the license in general the company must produce so many products per year. So the NFL gets paid regardless if Panini wants to keep the license.
Why would they produce more product if they weren't making money? The logic doesn't make sense. Why are there so many more Deshaun Watson rookie autos than Donovan Mitchell when there is so much more demand for basketball cards? Econ 101 seems to have an issue with that logic. It's like saying Wal Mart isn't popular because their prices are so low.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:35 PM   #81
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#s just don't add up. Why are there 2.1 million posts in the football BST section but only 750k in the basketball section. That combined with the 900+ deshaun watsons vs 300 donovan mitchells all add up to tell me that football is very popular. It's so popular that they just have to pump out a ridiculous amount of product to feed the demand. That is much more logical than this theory that football isn't popular.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:43 PM   #82
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The basketball don't even talk about the game.
The cool kids over hear would create game threads that we can all enjoy and post updates and what not.

Over there is all about CHA-CHING CHA-CHING (Money sound and not Chinese sound, just to be clear)
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:47 PM   #83
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i believe football cards are plenty popular but they hold no long term value so collector demand is different than what you get with baseball and basketball.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:59 PM   #84
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The helmet.
We don't see their faces so we can't connect with them.

Hell I don't even know what many of the NFL players look like.
It's called helmet syndrome


BTW, who the heck wants to collect offensive linemen cards? All they do is block with their bellies.

Football is a great sport..so much action!
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:59 PM   #85
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Just read this entire thread, here is my critique of answers so far:

1. Panini is the problem!: Basketball has just Panini, they do just fine
Maybe part of this one has to do with how long ago Topps left basketball vs. football. Maybe basketball has recovered since it's been longer. Maybe Football will do the same in time? Basketball's last year with Topps was what 2009-10 and Football was 2015? Basketball collectors have gravitated towards certain products like Prizm to replace Topps Chrome? Football collectors can't even decide on Prizm vs. Optic

We know there are other reasons like international collectors, etc. Just responding to this one on your list.
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:28 PM   #86
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So wait - let's clarify.

Football is popular. Football cards are popular enough for this section to be posted in heavily.

Are we really asking why aren't football cards worth more? Because that is different than popularity. And that's pretty easy to answer.
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So wait - let's clarify.

Football is popular. Football cards are popular enough for this section to be posted in heavily.

Are we really asking why aren't football cards worth more? Because that is different than popularity. And that's pretty easy to answer.
Because all the football collectors are poor and cheap?
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:34 PM   #88
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The basketball don't even talk about the game.
The cool kids over hear would create game threads that we can all enjoy and post updates and what not.

Over there is all about CHA-CHING CHA-CHING (Money sound and not Chinese sound, just to be clear)
BAHAHAHAHA

Football was my first passion. It was easy growing up watching Montana, Rice, John Taylor, Craig, Lott & the bunch. Basketball does indeed bring the coin however football is coming...I can feel it in my loins

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Because all the football collectors are poor and cheap?
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It was easy growing up watching Montana, Rice, John Taylor, Craig, Lott & the bunch.

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