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View Poll Results: Right now, where do you rank Lebron all time? | |||
GOAT | 149 | 25.78% | |
#2 | 213 | 36.85% | |
#3 | 70 | 12.11% | |
#4 | 37 | 6.40% | |
#5 | 30 | 5.19% | |
Oustide Top 5 | 79 | 13.67% | |
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05-05-2018, 08:28 AM | #101 |
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Jason... you’re right about Pop and the system but none of that works without your best player setting the example. Look at their situation now. They still have a top 5 player yet they are looking more and more like the run is over. Pop and the system are still there.
Who isn’t there? TD |
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05-05-2018, 08:34 AM | #103 | |
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Lebron - 22383 FGM - 31038 FGA. 1.386 points per shot Jordan - 24537 FGM -32292 FGA. 1.316 points per shot. Jordan has taken (in the same amount of seasons) 2154 more shots than Lebron. If Lebron had taken that many shots in his first 15 years he would have had 2985 more total points (assuming he stays at 1.386 points per shot), giving him 34,023 which would put him at 3rd all time. Like you said, MJs counting numbers in 15 seasons are greater but on aggregate they’re just numbers. Lebron plays the way MJ did in the first 15 and all of those individual numbers for Lebron are likely higher. The same way we knock Kobe for being a chunker (and it’s fair), we could knock MJ too a lesser extent. Kobe’s the oldest player to score 60. That goes into the record book, but we all saw that game. What’s crazy to me is in most people’s Top-10 they have both MJ and Magic, yet a lot of people have Lebron behind both of them. MJ didn’t have Magic’s skill set, nor did Magic have MJ’s skill set. Lebron has BOTH of their skill sets. MJ does have one thing that Lebron doesn’t, and that’s the rings and flawless finals record. I have no problem when people knock Lebron that, it’s fair. I don’t think that makes him any less of a basketball player though. |
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05-05-2018, 08:48 AM | #104 |
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Forget all the stats and comparing accumulated accolades. While Lebron has achieved immensely, and even exceeded the ridiculous amount of pressure and hype he had as an 18 year old, and has even started evolving into a more cut throat end of game closer, the bottom line is the eye test and will to win.
MJ would never have uttered "its only basketball" after a pathetic playoff loss and no-show performance. In a hypothetical game 7 and supporting teammates canceling each other out (i.e. MJ has Pip/Grant or Rodman, LBJ has Bosh + Wade) with MJ + LBJ in their primes...do you really think MJ would lose that game? There is your answer people. https://twitter.com/HistoryJumpman/s...96835766951937 Watch till the end. There's is NO WAY Lebron overcomes the fire burning inside Prime MJ. |
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05-05-2018, 08:51 AM | #106 | |
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MJ walked away from the game to play baseball. Was his fire for basketball any less because of it? No. |
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05-05-2018, 08:59 AM | #107 | |
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He kept coming back for more but that chip on his shoulder is what drove him. Lebron did say “it’s just basketball.” He said that after losing to Dallas and choking. This is all fact. |
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05-05-2018, 09:02 AM | #108 |
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Geechquest when you say Jordan hasn’t been anywhere close to efficient as Lebron what do you mean?
Isn’t fg% and 3p% within 1 %? Isn’t Jordans per higher? Isn’t Jordan a better free throw shooter by a wide margin or is there some new free throw stat that claims otherwise? |
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05-05-2018, 09:08 AM | #110 | |
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05-05-2018, 09:10 AM | #111 |
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Jordan never averaged less than 40% in the finals
Lebron did it twice 87-92 Jordan had 5 straight seasons of at least 51% fg Lebron hasn’t ever done that Lowest ft% MJ ever shot is 78% for a season Lebron’s highest is 78% MJ has a higher playoff per MJ is the only player to lead the league in scoring and win the title more than once in the same year. He did it 6 times Only player to win scoring title and defensive poy at the same time And speaking of all around brilliance MJ is the only player to average 30-6-5 and 2 steals and he did it 7 times Nobody else did it once |
05-05-2018, 09:11 AM | #112 | |
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Duncan was never as dominant as LeBron and most likely wouldn't have had nearly the same amount of success had his team situation been different but it's really impossible to speculate. There is absolutely no objective, rational argument that can be made for putting Kobe over LeBron unless the only thing that matters is the number of rings (which I think is a really stupid argument)
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As for the comment that Lebron has Magic and Jordan’s skill set, that I disagree with. Lebron is a hell of a passer but I think some people make that comparison while forgetting just how insane magic was leading an offense. No knock on LBJ but there has never been and may never be a player that could run an offense and pass like Magic. Just because A player is tá ll and can pass very well doesn’t make him Magic lol. Last edited by GC1980; 05-05-2018 at 09:15 AM. |
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05-05-2018, 09:12 AM | #116 |
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Lol I was wondering the same thing. Here is the full quote.
"When I lose the sense of motivation and the sense to prove something as a basketball player, it's time for me to move away from the game." Pretty much what you said lol
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Jordan has almost twice that many. The difference in 1st and 2nd by almost double. That’s insane. |
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05-05-2018, 09:18 AM | #118 | |
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Remember, San Antonio was running the floors on Golden State at the Oracle in game 1.....with Kawhi and company.....until a crap move by Zaza took him out. Leonard played 9 games this year, Parker and Manu are 1 foot into retirement. Yes, the system is still there, without their top 5 player all but 9 games, they finished 12 games over .500 and made it to the playoffs yet again, in the wildly tough western conference. If he returns next season at full strength and the off the court drama isn't there, it will be very interesting to see what this team does, replacing Parker and Manu, and TD a couple seasons removed.
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05-05-2018, 09:18 AM | #119 |
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Despite lebron already playing in 47 more playoff games. Not that scoring is the only thing to be impressed by, but people are making what lebron has done in these playoffs seem like something that has never been done before. People just forget. Very nice run though so far by lebron. Would be impressive if he capped it off with a title.
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If you lose the what if’s though what you’re left with is Spurs before and after Duncan 0 titles During Duncan 6 trips 5-1 record He needs to get some of the credit for that. I know you acknowledge he’s great. But for instance, how different do you think it is if we plug KG into his career? I think 6 Finals turns into maybe 2 |
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05-05-2018, 09:51 AM | #121 | |
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In 15 seasons MJ has ourscored Lebron by 2.6ppg while outshooting him by 2.3 shots per game. When you factor in the the assists I think it puts Lebron as an overall better offensive player. When you teach a kid to play basketball you first teach them to Shoot (Score), Pass, and Dribble. Lebron is more efficient in the Shooting (Scoring) category, he’s a better passer, and we can’t quantify dribbling so I’d say it’s a wash. So 2 of the 3 offensive categories Lebron outshines MJ (although scoring is based on efficiency as opposed to total numbers for now). It’s just splitting hairs honestly. I don’t care if people have Jordan higher. It’s really personal preference. I’d take the guy who’s 2 inches taller with 50 more lbs of muscle that can score more points on the same amount of shots and dish out more assists. That makes sense to me, but I understand why others take MJ. Yes, MJ is a better free throw shooter (and it’s not even close). I think that’s a bigger knock on LeBrons game than anything else. |
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05-05-2018, 11:14 AM | #122 |
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The only actual time not based on projection but based on reality where Lebron took on extra workload and shot more that I know of was in the 2015 finals and he put up great numbers but shot less than 40% from the field and less than 70% from the free throw line.
Not very efficient so I don’t know how we can say with a surety that if he..... this would happen What has happened is what did happen |
05-05-2018, 11:26 AM | #123 |
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36 votes for #1
Lol this must be votes from people under the age of 35 |
05-05-2018, 11:36 AM | #124 |
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Can we all agree that what LeBron is doing has not been seen in a "couple" of years? Should the media only talk about what it used to be, back when the NBA rosters were full of those wonderful, skilled, physical players () from 1-15 in each roster? Or can we just enjoy the performances from THIS YEAR's PLAYOFFS?
Jordan would have done this, Russell would have done that, Wilt would have done that, etc. Who's to say that, in a different era, LeBron wouldn't have done differently, too?
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05-05-2018, 11:38 AM | #125 |
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