Cavs/Raptors thread - Page 19

hofcollector2 · 05-03-2018, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

Did you watch the game?

Was hitting incredible shots. Even the announcers were amazed by those baskets.

But keep on hating

Did you watch that 3rd quarter? How many times was he double teamed? He got hot, you double team a hot player, not play him one on one. If your the Raptors you don't let Lebron beat you, you let everyone else and live with it.

aaron2 · 05-03-2018, 07:52 PM

So at this rate let's say the Cavs win the East (if they keep playing like this)

Lebron needs to score 60-ish a game to beat the Warriors (maybe more?)

HP7163 · 05-03-2018, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I understand why people hate on Lebron (just like I used to hate Jordan before I realized what an amazing player he was)

Lebron isn't without his faults. (Yes, he's a pompous ass and has made a lot of bad decisions and I really hated him until a few years ago)

But then I see how he plays the game and I realize we may not see a complete player like this for a long time and I've learned to appreciate him. Hopefully he has many more productive years ahead.

Completely on the same page as me

The dude is just awesome and on another level. Rare air we’re luckil being able to watch

pingbling23 · 05-03-2018, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron2

So at this rate let's say the Cavs win the East (if they keep playing like this)

Lebron needs to score 60-ish a game to beat the Warriors (maybe more?)

Cavs can play with anyone. They just have to have everything clicking and we haven’t seen them be able to do that consistently.

blackbears86 · 05-03-2018, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hofcollector2

Did you watch that 3rd quarter? How many times was he double teamed? He got hot, you double team a hot player, not play him one on one. If your the Raptors you don't let Lebron beat you, you let everyone else and live with it.

Ha Ha!!! Ok... He had how many assists tonight? 14. double team him and see what that gets you.

He was on another planet tonight. (like Thanos if you get the reference)

RYBOWSKI97 · 05-03-2018, 07:57 PM

All time great performance by lebron. If cavs play like they did tonight, they are a scary team. Toronto is still a great team, they arent done yet! I still think philly is the biggest test in the east right now. Off topic but a question for celtics fans... What do u do next year when hayward comes back with tatum and brown....who loses playing time there? Good problem to have but unreal how loaded that team is and will be!

HP7163 · 05-03-2018, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron2

So at this rate let's say the Cavs win the East (if they keep playing like this)

Lebron needs to score 60-ish a game to beat the Warriors (maybe more?)

unless Love gets healthy while producing and JR can throw in 15-20 a game the Cavs have little to no shot IMO

May get a game but Dubs are to loaded

AlabamaSlamma · 05-03-2018, 07:59 PM

Pissed off Lebron is PISSED.

Rough day for Drake. Rihanna throws him into the Sunken Place, and now this.

ninjacookies · 05-03-2018, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron2

So at this rate let's say the Cavs win the East (if they keep playing like this)

Lebron needs to score 60-ish a game to beat the Warriors (maybe more?)

I honestly don't think anyone is beating the Warriors in a 7 game series (though I hope it's at least competitive).

Simply stating how people fall into the yearly hype of the East somehow being taken by a different team not lead by Lebron.

Last year was the Wizz...year before that the Rap...people thought the Bucks at one point were a threat...yada yada rinse repeat...

blackbears86 · 05-03-2018, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HP7163

Completely on the same page as me

The dude is just awesome and on another level. Rare air we’re luckil being able to watch

Yup... Instead of hating, let's just enjoy, because he won't be here forever.

RYBOWSKI97 · 05-03-2018, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

cavs can play with anyone. They just have to have everything clicking and we haven’t seen them be able to do that consistently.

thank u.....this is spot on and the problem is the cavs lacked any consistency this year. Role players and even kevin love just failed to show up some nights. Jr smith was not engaged all season and nance jr has to be the most inconsistent dude on the team.

johnyensmith123 · 05-03-2018, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I understand why people hate on Lebron (just like I used to hate Jordan before I realized what an amazing player he was)

Lebron isn't without his faults. (Yes, he's a pompous ass and has made a lot of bad decisions and I really hated him until a few years ago)

What exactly are his "faults"? The Decision? Is that something you still think he should be bashed over? Leaving a terrible roster that he carried and lost to Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Rondo in the playoffs because his team was trash? Because Gilbert didn't give any help and there was no way anyone could beat that Celtics with that terrible Cavs roster? Jordan couldn't beat the Celtics's big three in the playoffs when his team was terrible, didn't matter if he scored 63 against them–still got swept by them. And why would LeBron leave just to go to another terrible team? He's going to try to do the best for him (without bandwagoning with the Celtics like KD did with the Warriors), because critics and haters only talk and care about rings, and there was no way he could win with that Cavs roster. He made a great decision to try to put himself in the best position to win, to counter Celtics' big three + Rondo with his own big three. Regarding The Decision being on TV, he did agree beforehand (before show even aired) that he would donate all proceedings to charity, etc.

What else do you think are his "faults"?

Dnic · 05-03-2018, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by johnyensmith123

What exactly are his "faults"? The Decision? Is that something you still think he should be bashed over? Leaving a terrible roster that he carried and lost to Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Rondo in the playoffs because his team was trash? Because Gilbert didn't give any help and there was no way anyone could beat that Celtics with that terrible Cavs roster? Jordan couldn't beat the Celtics's big three in the playoffs when his team was terrible, didn't matter if he scored 63 against them–still got swept by them. And why would LeBron leave just to go to another terrible team? He's going to try to do the best for him (without bandwagoning with the Celtics like KD did with the Warriors), because critics and haters only talk and care about rings, and there was no way he could win with that Cavs roster. He made a great decision to try to put himself in the best position to win, to counter Celtics' big three + Rondo with his own big three. Regarding The Decision being on TV, he did agree beforehand (before show even aired) that he would donate all proceedings to charity, etc.

What else do you think are his "faults"?

Good points and I agree, I don't see anyone bashing KD

johnyensmith123 · 05-03-2018, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hofcollector2

Did you watch that 3rd quarter? How many times was he double teamed? He got hot, you double team a hot player, not play him one on one. If your the Raptors you don't let Lebron beat you, you let everyone else and live with it.

I guess you could say the same thing with Jordan (when double teaming meant committing to Jordan due to completely different rules on defense) and Kobe when he had 81 against the Raptors and he wasn't really being doubled much, huh?

Just enjoy greatness, and stop blaming the Raptors defense for not double teaming him and making those kind of excuses.

hofcollector2 · 05-03-2018, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

Ha Ha!!! Ok... He had how many assists tonight? 14. double team him and see what that gets you.

He was on another planet tonight. (like Thanos if you get the reference)

So what, let him have 20 assist. Just don't let him beat you with scoring. When a players hot more than likely the other players are not going to be as hot... actually nevermind. I'm not talking to someone who knows basketball, lol. Yes Lebron had an amazing game. Defending someone like him one on one is not good defense, that was my point.

hofcollector2 · 05-03-2018, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by johnyensmith123

I guess you could say the same thing with Jordan (when double teaming meant committing to Jordan due to completely different rules on defense) and Kobe when he had 81 against the Raptors and he wasn't really being doubled much, huh?

Just enjoy greatness, and stop blaming the Raptors defense for not double teaming him and making those kind of excuses.

Problem is Jordan was doubled, triple teamed all the time and still produced. Kobe, lol. When he hit his 81 no one double teamed him and in fact they had rookies on him so same thing applies with Kobe. The Raptors defense was crap, you don't let a great player go one on one practically the whole game. They are not excuses, they are fact. I actually watched this game, lol, and not highlights

blackbears86 · 05-03-2018, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hofcollector2

So what, let him have 20 assist. Just don't let him beat you with scoring. When a players hot more than likely the other players are not going to be as hot... actually nevermind. I'm not talking to someone who knows basketball, lol. Yes Lebron had an amazing game. Defending someone like him one on one is not good defense, that was my point.

Your a coach? Maybe you should call Dwayne Casey and help him out.

blackbears86 · 05-03-2018, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hofcollector2

So what, let him have 20 assist. Just don't let him beat you with scoring. When a players hot more than likely the other players are not going to be as hot... actually nevermind. I'm not talking to someone who knows basketball, lol. Yes Lebron had an amazing game. Defending someone like him one on one is not good defense, that was my point.

Pretty much everyone on the Cavs were hot tonight.

My point: the way Lebron and the Cavs were playing, doubling/tripling him wouldn't have made a difference.

blackbears86 · 05-03-2018, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by johnyensmith123

What exactly are his "faults"? The Decision? Is that something you still think he should be bashed over? Leaving a terrible roster that he carried and lost to Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Rondo in the playoffs because his team was trash? Because Gilbert didn't give any help and there was no way anyone could beat that Celtics with that terrible Cavs roster? Jordan couldn't beat the Celtics's big three in the playoffs when his team was terrible, didn't matter if he scored 63 against them–still got swept by them. And why would LeBron leave just to go to another terrible team? He's going to try to do the best for him (without bandwagoning with the Celtics like KD did with the Warriors), because critics and haters only talk and care about rings, and there was no way he could win with that Cavs roster. He made a great decision to try to put himself in the best position to win, to counter Celtics' big three + Rondo with his own big three. Regarding The Decision being on TV, he did agree beforehand (before show even aired) that he would donate all proceedings to charity, etc.

What else do you think are his "faults"?

whoa.....cool your jets here, did you not read my post? I didn't like him at first, then came around.

blackbears86 · 05-03-2018, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dnic

Good points and I agree, I don't see anyone bashing KD

Ummmm, there were numerous threads bashing KD.

People HATED and still hate KD for joining the Warriors.

aaron2 · 05-03-2018, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

Ummmm, there were numerous threads bashing KD.

People HATED and still hate KD for joining the Warriors.

KD creates fake accounts to defend himself though

hofcollector2 · 05-03-2018, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

Your a coach? Maybe you should call Dwayne Casey and help him out.

The way the Raptors are playing , I should be, lol. And you don't need to be a coach to have common sense.

blackbears86 · 05-03-2018, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hofcollector2

The way the Raptors are playing , I should be, lol. And you don't need to be a coach to have common sense.

I think you get my point.

K love 31 pts
jr smith 15 pts
g hill 13pts

even Jeff Green had 14 points!!!! (and he's been terrible this year)

the role players were huge tonight. I just don't think it would have mattered.

But I think you and I can both agree: the raps are toast.

hofcollector2 · 05-03-2018, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I think you get my point.

K love 31 pts
jr smith 15 pts
g hill 13pts

even Jeff Green had 14 points!!!! (and he's been terrible this year)

the role players were huge tonight. I just don't think it would have mattered.

But I think you and I can both agree: the raps are toast.

Yea probably, I'll concede after game 3. It matters down the road. The Cavs are not in the Raptors head, Lebron is. You don't let Lebron beat you, period.

blackbears86 · 05-03-2018, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hofcollector2

Yea probably, I'll concede after game 3. It matters down the road. The Cavs are not in the Raptors head, Lebron is. You don't let Lebron beat you, period.

I do agree with you, but if that's the way Toronto has played defense all year, it's kind of tough to adjust on the fly in the playoffs.

it's all really a mute point now, as a sweep is likely.

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aaron2 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,498	So at this rate let's say the Cavs win the East (if they keep playing like this) Lebron needs to score 60-ish a game to beat the Warriors (maybe more?)