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Old 01-21-2018, 07:31 PM   #26
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Good read, thank you. I'm often flipping channels on breakers, joining here and there but enjoy just watching. I see the same names bouncing rooms like I am, yet the are buying up spots in every room. The addiction is real. I hope many see this thread.
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Old 01-21-2018, 07:43 PM   #27
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Thank you for presenting such an important topic in a well-versed manner.

I really hope the moderators and the owners of this web site don't try to take down this thread because of the nature of the topic. Several posters have been threatened with ban hammers because it irks the management to discuss the gambling aspect of the hobby, unfortunately.

I think the emergence of group breaks has made it too easy to spend too much money in a short period of time.

That's why i've stuck with breaking by myself - in a way it controls what I have access to and how much I can spend in one binge.

Online breaks allow you to electronically pay for breaks 24hr a day, like a casino.

If I am to be threatened to be banned for making this comparison, please give me a warning at least, I'm still technically encouraging people to buy wax to slow down their addiction.
This is absolutely not true.

We ban for gambling, yes.

We don't ban or threaten to ban if you say group breaking can be akin to gambling.

Some break for the gambling rush, some break to prospect, some break because they are bored and have disposable income, others break for their pc.

I think if you are going to make these false claims you should have to back them up. Posting this nonsense just for attention is pathetic.
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Old 01-21-2018, 07:46 PM   #28
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Not even close. The odds in the casino are much, much better if you play the right games and have strict discipline.
Reread.

Thanks for sharing this story. I stopped buying into group breaks and noticed I'm much more content with my collection. I'll probably add a new card every 3 months or so. I noticed that the more "maildays" I had, the less they made me happy. Collectors usually have addictive personalities so it's no surprise that group breaks can become a real issue. I've definitely experienced the rush.
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Old 01-21-2018, 07:59 PM   #29
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The box breaking and pack opening aspect of this "hobby" is legalized loophole gambling. It isn't even debatable. But as long as people are willing to feed the addiction and with the card companies having little to no incentive to change a dam* thing bc of sport license monopolies it will continue for the foreseeable future.
Great thread and I hope many people who have the same gambling addiction can read what you wrote.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:05 PM   #30
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Sorry to hear you weren't able to make a go from it. But glad to hear you came out the other side. They best piece of advice I'd give anyone has already been mentioned and i'm gonna quote it 'cause it's the most important.

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Old 01-21-2018, 08:25 PM   #31
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Thanks for sharing your story.

1. I think there are a lot more people that LOSE money in this hobby/business than those that make money.
2. I think the people that make money in this hobby/business tend to overstate their gains, and understate their losses.
3. I also think that most people that make money in this hobby/business consistently have a strict set of rules they follow and the necessary discipline.

There are way better ways to make money than anything related to sports cards. Picking up extra hours, extra shifts, or a second job is likely a better way to boost a bank account.

One of my rules of collecting is that if I can't walk away from the whole thing and set my collection on fire, then my priorities are all wrong. I don't want to take any of my possessions too seriously. It's just stuff.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:46 PM   #32
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Thanks for sharing your story. I got back into the hobby mid summer 2017 and went gang busters buying cards...current and vintage of my favorite players when I was a kid in the 70ís. I can definitely see the addiction to winning an auction etc and have slowed down my purchases substantially from a few months ago.


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Old 01-21-2018, 08:55 PM   #33
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Hey Adam, great running into you on here. Also, great advice!
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Old 01-21-2018, 09:04 PM   #34
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It is gambling plain and simple and you hit enough cards to keep on breaking but never enough to be on top.

I have a similar story to you. Collected cards as a kid (mostly non-sport but some basketball and baseball). That was 20 years ago. Last year I'm at the mall and there is a sports cards convention. I'm in a tiny town in Iowa, there are 4 or 5 tables and I peruse while the wife shops. I see a few Gator player auto cards for a few bucks each and think this is awesome, I need these. I got online that night and saw how the game had changed. 2 dollar packs at the local card shop weren't the norm anymore. Now its buying blasters at Target and getting in on group breaks. Got in on a few group breaks of Impeccable by picking the cheapest team each go. Ended up with a 1/5 Mike Evans auto and 1/10 Greg Olsen pro bowl jersey on my first two goes. Was over the moon until I realized selling them barely paid my buyin. So here I was, one of the few in the break who actually got a hit and after ebay fees and shipping I was making a buck or two. Probably been in 20 group breaks over the year. I think I've only ever had one break that I made a substantial profit (which was only about 150). Same goes for boxes and I've definitely spent more than I've made in the long run.

Long story short, a few months ago I gave up on group breaks and I only buy the occasional box (maybe spend 50 a month). Instead I switched my focus to singles and I am much happier since I never feel like I'm waiting for the big hit. Instead I'm just spending some time scouring ebay for the set I collect. Plan on going to the National this year to enjoy the hobby looking to add to my PC.
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Old 01-21-2018, 09:16 PM   #35
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It is gambling plain and simple and you hit enough cards to keep on breaking but never enough to be on top.

I have a similar story to you. Collected cards as a kid (mostly non-sport but some basketball and baseball). That was 20 years ago. Last year I'm at the mall and there is a sports cards convention. I'm in a tiny town in Iowa, there are 4 or 5 tables and I peruse while the wife shops. I see a few Gator player auto cards for a few bucks each and think this is awesome, I need these. I got online that night and saw how the game had changed. 2 dollar packs at the local card shop weren't the norm anymore. Now its buying blasters at Target and getting in on group breaks. Got in on a few group breaks of Impeccable by picking the cheapest team each go. Ended up with a 1/5 Mike Evans auto and 1/10 Greg Olsen pro bowl jersey on my first two goes. Was over the moon until I realized selling them barely paid my buyin. So here I was, one of the few in the break who actually got a hit and after ebay fees and shipping I was making a buck or two. Probably been in 20 group breaks over the year. I think I've only ever had one break that I made a substantial profit (which was only about 150). Same goes for boxes and I've definitely spent more than I've made in the long run.

Long story short, a few months ago I gave up on group breaks and I only buy the occasional box (maybe spend 50 a month). Instead I switched my focus to singles and I am much happier since I never feel like I'm waiting for the big hit. Instead I'm just spending some time scouring ebay for the set I collect. Plan on going to the National this year to enjoy the hobby looking to add to my PC.
Thanks for sharing your story!
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Old 01-21-2018, 09:31 PM   #36
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I stopped opening boxes and packs since 2001. I felt I was addicted to the “thrill of the chase,” in other words, the gambling aspect of the hobby. What reeled me out was when I literally wasted my whole Christmans Bonus money over a bunch of boxes and I didn’t pull a single hit that is worthwhile. In dollars that was around $600. And around here at that time $600 is big.

Since then I just bought singles that I can afford. I really don’t join breaks and raffles in FB. I often tell my close friends in the hobby that breaks, raffles and the re-packs are all the same. they are all forms of gambling. You lose, you win.

The gambling aspect in this hobby is real. And I am glad that I have stopped gambling since 2001. Love your post OP.
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Old 01-21-2018, 10:13 PM   #37
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Really great post.
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Old 01-21-2018, 11:36 PM   #38
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Really honest post, haven't really seen anything like this here on this forum.

The rush is real and it can definitely get you sucked in. I run a lot of raffles on Facebook and a part of me always feels guilty for offering a platform for others to essentially gamble.
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Old 01-21-2018, 11:37 PM   #39
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Alot of great posts so far in this thread. The word that came up the most to me was hobby. The internet, group breaks, and some other things have absolutely changed this hobby. All people think about is $$$ and turning profit on everything they buy. I know it's hard because we all at some point have been brainwashed in a sense into the fact that everything is about breaking even on box breaks and just worrying about the dollar amounts of the card you just pulled on eBay. As long as you budget and remain cost controlled, I think we all can truly have fun and call this a hobby. Opening a box is awesome and there's not much else in this hobby that compares to the thrill. Just block out the online pricing and the $$ talk that's constantly coming at us and just have fun and enjoyment. I personally have 3 17/18 prizm hobby boxes unopened. I could sell them now and make alot of profit off them (paid $110). But I'm going to break them and just enjoy what I get and turn my wifi off. I guess the point of that is we all get caught up in money money money, just relax and have fun busting boxes (on a budget! Lol)
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Old 01-21-2018, 11:55 PM   #40
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Great and transparent post. I stopped ripping as well about 5 years ago. It can become a financial addiction and overwhelming adrenaline rush. Just like any other form of gambling, you're playing the odds. And typically bad ones long term.


As almost anything else in life, it is fine so long as it's in moderation.
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Old 01-22-2018, 01:21 AM   #41
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I can definitely relate to this post.

I used to have a gambling problem at the casinos but since ive been with my wife, i almost never go. I got into cards again a few years back and have always had it under control. Just recently though, i noticed that ive become obsessed with cards and spend hours after hours running to target looking for prizm, searching online for singles and joining group breaks online. I figure the best way to stop it all is just quit and sell almost everything and just pull myself out. Easier said than done as ive just signed up for a few more breaks. I did sell off like 50% of what i had and working on seling the rest.. thanks for the good read and resonating post
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Old 01-22-2018, 01:53 AM   #42
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The rush is real and it can definitely get you sucked in. I run a lot of raffles on Facebook and a part of me always feels guilty for offering a platform for others to essentially gamble.
Me too. I need to sell the boxes for a store and get some sort of a commission out of it. Its hard to move 'em all, so I do raffles in FB. I feel the same way. I don't like it, but I have to do it.
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:33 AM   #43
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Fantastic post and read. Thanks for sharing, OP. Best of luck to you in whatever you do.
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:12 AM   #44
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Thanks for sharing. I too was in very deep and the addiction was very real. I walked away from the hobby a little over a year ago and it has changed my life for the better.
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Great post OP! Some really good points there about how dangerous a collecting hobby can be, whatever it is you are collecting.
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Thanks for sharing OP. And kudos for looking out for the people in the hobby: tons of people would have continue to make money for themselves. You did the right thing.

I have one question though: What did you mean by people going home empty-handed because of you pulling the Towns? I didn't understand that one.
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It can be addicting. The odds are even worse than in the casino.
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Not even close. The odds in the casino are much, much better if you play the right games and have strict discipline.
If you break the right product and have discipline, breaking can give you better odds than some games in a casino. I'll still pick the casino because the best games gives you much better odds than the best boxes in basketball.
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If you break the right product and have discipline, breaking can give you better odds than some games in a casino. I'll still pick the casino because the best games gives you much better odds than the best boxes in basketball.
Agreed. Give me the "don't pass" line on the craps table every day, all day and twice on Sunday over box breaking or group breaks.
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Fantastic post and read. Thanks for sharing, OP. Best of luck to you in whatever you do.
Thanks for the encouragement. Now that I am being open and honest about my story, I have found a lot of people can relate. I will say, my goal is not to bail on the hobby all together. I think it's time to TAKE BACK THE HOBBY! I'm constantly looking for ways to fight for the preservation of the hobby in it's purest form.
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Thanks for sharing OP. And kudos for looking out for the people in the hobby: tons of people would have continue to make money for themselves. You did the right thing.

I have one question though: What did you mean by people going home empty-handed because of you pulling the Towns? I didn't understand that one.
Thanks for your kind words!

I was referring to the other 29 teams that spent more than their spots then they walked away with. In most breaks, only a handful of cards are worth the initial investment. Panini does not print odds on packs, nor do they release print runs on their product so it's very hard to accurately exam. For Prizm 15-16' alone, there are 400 cards in the set. With 3,840 cards per case, and who knows how many cases are truly out there, one could see how the odds begin to spiral rapidly.
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