PMGs are TOO HYPED UP (i.e. Michael Jordan)

[advan24r]

Who here thinks PMGs especially of stars like Jordan and Lebron are too hyped up?

For the price that you pay for example: Blue PMG Michael Jordan 5k-10k+, who would rather have an EXQUISITE AUTOGRAPH PATCH MICHAEL JORDAN vs. a non-autoed card? Not to mention, w/the price you pay you may be able to purchase a GAME USED memorabilia possibly! I just feel PMGs or any card that doesn't really have a 'touch' (i.e. autograph, actual game used relic) of the actual star is not worth the going market price of this current PMG hype.

I just think this is just another "Linsanity" hype but again, I suppose this is good marketing to bring in more life into this industry. As for me, I'm slowly getting out of the hobby and going into watches =P Again, I'm sure people would say the same thing, why pay thousands on a watch when you can use your cell phone or purchase a Timex. (or vice versa, pay thousands on a piece of cardboard)

[my_onni]

retro has been hyped so much now the prices are going down.

The hype is a result of UD not releasing any products right away and the only product with Jordan and lebron in their contracts.

Unfortunately, prices of these will just continue to fall. Sooner or later people will realize that this is just a rip off of the original or a "poor man's version" of the original one since they can't afford it...

Another sad thing about this is UD releasing this again next year and the next and the next.

Retro took a YEAR to come out and they have sticker autos???

Overall retro was a bad product due to the following:

1. Customers paid for a year then when it came out still a lot of sticker autos
2. Bad customer service
3. Same action shots from previous sets
4. college unis
5. inserts are crazy for (our generation) but Some people are now finally realizing that the money to buy retro can be used for a patch auto of jordan or lebron rc and such and it would cost cheaper.

Give this retro thing 1 year...then let's ask the question again which product was the best... a lot of people will realized they lost money...

This was like a pyramiding scam...the first people who cashed out of retro are the winners and now here is everyone hoping and waiting in line for their cash camel but the sad truth is retro prices will now be on the decline....

[SportsItUpCards]

I don't think they're hyped up, I think people like something different, and ready to put the old ones they're all tired of hearing from to rest! It's a new day, so it's a new set for the newer generation, and the old.

Well, as for Jordan... that's some old dude who retired so long ago!!(haha jk), but seriously though, Lebron is very high up there on people's wish lists these days, and he has pleanty of years in the NBA, he didn't even start yet! One ring should give him some nice confidence, so where to from here? UP!

Then you have tons of other great players, like members of the 50 greatest, so pleanty of people collecting those guys, so it's a metter of time they dry up. But just between Jordan and Lebron? I'd rather have a Lebron... and was actually hoping for one in my break over MJ, but no luck.......

[Kingbudd]

I capitalized off of the initial release price, and I still thought it was/is a crappy product. The quality of the cards are very poor and the Photoshop work is some of the worst I have ever seen. Honestly, I don't buy into the hype, and I am happy I cashed in when I had the chance, I don't want to be stuck with this crap five years down the road when it is worth nothing.

[advan24r]

Originally Posted by SportsItUpCards

I don't think they're hyped up, I think people like something different, and ready to put the old ones they're all tired of hearing from to rest! It's a new day, so it's a new set for the newer generation, and the old.

Well, as for Jordan... that's some old dude who retired so long ago!!(haha jk), but seriously though, Lebron is very high up there on people's wish lists these days, and he has pleanty of years in the NBA, he didn't even start yet! One ring should give him some nice confidence, so where to from here? UP!

Then you have tons of other great players, like members of the 50 greatest, so pleanty of people collecting those guys, so it's a metter of time they dry up. But just between Jordan and Lebron? I'd rather have a Lebron... and was actually hoping for one in my break over MJ, but no luck.......

So in a sense if it's not hyped up, you don't mind paying thousands of dollars on a non-autographed card of Michael Jordan or Lebron while that money you spent can fetch you a nice Exquisite Patch Auto or any other nice UD Patch Autograph of the same player.

I can understand the product is new and is good for those player collectors to add something new to their collection but prices on those players are a bit more realistic vs. the top go getters in the product (i.e. Jordan/Lebron)

[my_onni]

I'm only worried about one thing though bro....All the buyers/collectors of cards today are our generation who started buying way back in the late 80s to 90s.

We all admire these beaut inserts,pmgs, etc because nostalgia indeed sells but I'm concerned that for the coming generations, prices may just fall down for everything because our "generation" will soon "dry up" too (LOL)


Kids/teens nowadays can't get into the hobby due to the crazy prices thus there are only a few replenishment of collectors in our hobby thus the new breeds will rather have the patch auto exquisites or what not because of its beauty and brings the sense of closeness to the player.


Right now it's gonna be hot but what if our generation is gone? I just hope for the best to the hobby

P.S. Did you already break your case? Good luck if you do

Originally Posted by SportsItUpCards

I don't think they're hyped up, I think people like something different, and ready to put the old ones they're all tired of hearing from to rest! It's a new day, so it's a new set for the newer generation, and the old.

Well, as for Jordan... that's some old dude who retired so long ago!!(haha jk), but seriously though, Lebron is very high up there on people's wish lists these days, and he has pleanty of years in the NBA, he didn't even start yet! One ring should give him some nice confidence, so where to from here? UP!

Then you have tons of other great players, like members of the 50 greatest, so pleanty of people collecting those guys, so it's a metter of time they dry up. But just between Jordan and Lebron? I'd rather have a Lebron... and was actually hoping for one in my break over MJ, but no luck.......

[SportsItUpCards]

Originally Posted by advan24r

So in a sense if it's not hyped up, you don't mind paying thousands of dollars on a non-autographed card of Michael Jordan or Lebron while that money you spent can fetch you a nice Exquisite Patch Auto or any other nice UD Patch Autograph of the same player.

I can understand the product is new and is good for those player collectors to add something new to their collection but prices on those players are a bit more realistic vs. the top go getters in the product (i.e. Jordan/Lebron)

I'm a card collector......... "plain" cards, memorabilia cards, aitographed cards, insert cards... whatever. I don't say one is better than the other. If I like the design and player on the card, then it's all good. Same as if I don't like a design and/or player on the card. I won't like a card because someone else thinks it's great, or the next best thing to collect..... I collect what I like.

A rare card ia a rare card. As more people put these in their collections, as they're doing, how long before prices go up? Forget what they're selling for right now.... they might go up fast, or go down fast, but one thing is for sure, in the long run they will go up! But either way, whatever cards I pulled in my case, i'm keeping. They know have a sentimental value My wife and I busted these bad boys for 4-5 hours last night

This product is great fun and would recommend it to anybody...

There's always a difference between collecting, and investing, so you will always get different answers. Why do I pay $50, or $80, or $100 for Steve Francis cards in the year 2012!!!!?............

[SportsItUpCards]

Originally Posted by my_onni

I'm only worried about one thing though bro....All the buyers/collectors of cards today are our generation who started buying way back in the late 80s to 90s.

We all admire these beaut inserts,pmgs, etc because nostalgia indeed sells but I'm concerned that for the coming generations, prices may just fall down for everything because our "generation" will soon "dry up" too (LOL)


Kids/teens nowadays can't get into the hobby due to the crazy prices thus there are only a few replenishment of collectors in our hobby thus the new breeds will rather have the patch auto exquisites or what not because of its beauty and brings the sense of closeness to the player.


Right now it's gonna be hot but what if our generation is gone? I just hope for the best to the hobby

P.S. Did you already break your case? Good luck if you do

I think the future of our hobby from now on will be ok.............. way back in the day when I started to collect, did forums even exist? Sport card forums? I started to love basketball cards in 1992 and collected a lot with my friends. I collected cards as far back as 1988 but that was just to see who has a bigger stack between me and my cousin...

So now go back to 1992, I collected with my group of friends, there were no forums so we could talk to other collectors, so we pretty much only had each other to trade with and talk cards with. Then all my friends got out of collecting....

Then as years go by i'm still collecting, but only by myself. Then I meet a whole new group of friends who also love the sport of basketball, and what do you know, they like cards too! NIce!!! haha so we do all the things collecting buddies do, trade, talk cards, go to card shows together ect..

Now these new friends ALL get out of the hobby. Remember, still no forums at that time, and even if there was that I didn't know about... who knew about them? 10 people!!? haha

Anyway.... fast forward to the year 2012! What card collectors don't know about ebay, and chat forums and all that good stuff? So that's what leads me to believe that our hobby will be as strong as never before, and more people will stay, and even if they did, most would probably be back when "life" settled down...

Then you have the fact that the NBA has been doing some great marketing work, across the WORLD!!! More and more fans, which many of whom turn to cards as a hobby. So today, there are way more collectors than back then, and it will only grow! So what does this mean, unlike cards from the past? More collectors = More demand! If a card is serial numbered to XXX, and there are 60,000,000 collectors, guess what? hahaha

This hobby is just fine, better than ever!

Yes, I broke it... let's just say, I didn't pay a red cent for the case, and got a few extra pennies out of it too!

By the way, I didn't wanna go live on blogtv cause I knew this would be a loooooong break, and it was! The wife and I were sitting there having a breaking party for 4-5 hours!!! Such a fun break. If I can find some boxes, or a case locally, i'm going for it.

[my_onni]

Im happy it turned out ok for you man


Anyways I wish and hope that it just keeps getting stronger for our hobby Hopefully there will be more stuff available as well for kids and teens' allowances hehe..so that it could get them started too

Originally Posted by SportsItUpCards

I think the future of our hobby from now on will be ok.............. way back in the day when I started to collect, did forums even exist? Sport card forums? I started to love basketball cards in 1992 and collected a lot with my friends. I collected cards as far back as 1988 but that was just to see who has a bigger stack between me and my cousin...

So now go back to 1992, I collected with my group of friends, there were no forums so we could talk to other collectors, so we pretty much only had each other to trade with and talk cards with. Then all my friends got out of collecting....

Then as years go by i'm still collecting, but only by myself. Then I meet a whole new group of friends who also love the sport of basketball, and what do you know, they like cards too! NIce!!! haha so we do all the things collecting buddies do, trade, talk cards, go to card shows together ect..

Now these new friends ALL get out of the hobby. Remember, still no forums at that time, and even if there was that I didn't know about... who knew about them? 10 people!!? haha

Anyway.... fast forward to the year 2012! What card collectors don't know about ebay, and chat forums and all that good stuff? So that's what leads me to believe that our hobby will be as strong as never before, and more people will stay, and even if they did, most would probably be back when "life" settled down...

Then you have the fact that the NBA has been doing some great marketing work, across the WORLD!!! More and more fans, which many of whom turn to cards as a hobby. So today, there are way more collectors than back then, and it will only grow! So what does this mean, unlike cards from the past? More collectors = More demand! If a card is serial numbered to XXX, and there are 60,000,000 collectors, guess what? hahaha

This hobby is just fine, better than ever!

Yes, I broke it... let's just say, I didn't pay a red cent for the case, and got a few extra pennies out of it too!

By the way, I didn't wanna go live on blogtv cause I knew this would be a loooooong break, and it was! The wife and I were sitting there having a breaking party for 4-5 hours!!! Such a fun break. If I can find some boxes, or a case locally, i'm going for it.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by advan24r

So in a sense if it's not hyped up, you don't mind paying thousands of dollars on a non-autographed card of Michael Jordan or Lebron while that money you spent can fetch you a nice Exquisite Patch Auto or any other nice UD Patch Autograph of the same player.

I can understand the product is new and is good for those player collectors to add something new to their collection but prices on those players are a bit more realistic vs. the top go getters in the product (i.e. Jordan/Lebron)

People choose to buy what they deem to be of value to them. I know someone who spent $300k on a 60s sports car. He could have easily bought a new ferrari for that price. How can I justify how he spends his money? I personally would have bought a honda civic and spent 280k at the casino.

[SportsItUpCards]

Originally Posted by my_onni

Im happy it turned out ok for you man


Anyways I wish and hope that it just keeps getting stronger for our hobby Hopefully there will be more stuff available as well for kids and teens' allowances hehe..so that it could get them started too

Thanks. Yes I made out good, but more than anything else it was FUN!!! Would I recommend breaking it for the current price? Maybe not... i'm crazy like that so I probably would because it was so fun. But if you got it early, then bust away!!!

Yeah man don't worry there, the hobby will be just fine and get even better! Heck, even if the kids are not getting higher allowances... time sharpens love hahahahaha so the longer they're not able to buy certain cards, the more the love grows for the hobby, and they'll later come back when everything in their life settles... then they'll buy cards from the past, and the present, and future too!

The hobby is stronger than ever before. Heck, my kids are already collecting now!!! They love it!

[Dallas88228]

these cards may dip in the next month as more product circulates but if there are appx only 50 Lebron or Jordan "Bigmen on court" or "cut above" as they get put away into PCs they will rise rise rise over time......also lebron doesnt have a lot of these inserts already like jordan i could see a BIG spike in his cards.....What do u guys think?

[tristan20]

People dont notice it, but every card in Retro is selling for much higher usual.

The demand is high.

College Jordan auto for $1200-1500? Unheard of, but that's what they are selling for. You can buy a college auto jordan for much less. So I guess these are hyped as well?

[jr24ai3]

I do think the hype can be good for the hobby. There was a time when a card didn't have to be signed or have a piece of jersey on it to be worth something. You just have to make the non-auto/jersey cards appealing to collectors. Hopefully some of the newer collectors (started in the past decade) will see that cards w/o autographs and jerseys can still be collectible. If card companies can't come up with new ideas that do not include jerseys/autographs, then the hobby will be in trouble. Players have signed so many cards that their autographs are worth way less than they should be. Same with jersey cards. Card companies need to make inserts valuable by making solid designs and make them difficult to pull like back in the late 90s.

The PMGs are iconic cards from the 1990s, along with the flair legacies and many of the other inserts that are in this product. I'm not a big fan of the product, but I can understand the craze. Hopefully this inspires card companies to come up with the next PMG.

[UltimateDeron]

I hate when people say that a certain card is "too hyped" just because you could buy a Exquisite Auto Patch for the same price. So what? The collectors that are buying these PMG's either A) don't collect Exquisite cards or B) already have the Exquisite cards of MJ, Lebron, etc.

Let people spend their money the way they want to.

[nissandriver77]

Pmg's are selling well

[Cubs_rock21]

Finally a thread about PMG's....about time

[fullmetal]

Why does having ink or fabric automatically take a card to another level? I like many cards and hold them to a higher level then an autographed or jersey card.

I see many young collectors say 'I wouldn't pay that much, it doesn't even have any auto.' Why does it need an auto to be appreciated?

Disclaimer: I don't own any 90s inserts.

[Dallas88228]

These young kids are just pissed they dont have the $$$$$$ to buy any of these inserts.....they prefer to go buy 3 game used for $10 from the value box at card shows hahaha

[kobe824]

Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

I hate when people say that a certain card is "too hyped" just because you could buy a Exquisite Auto Patch for the same price. So what? The collectors that are buying these PMG's either A) don't collect Exquisite cards or B) already have the Exquisite cards of MJ, Lebron, etc.

Let people spend their money the way they want to.

Well said as always

Let people buy what THEY WANT!

[tristan20]

Originally Posted by kobe824

Well said as always

Let people buy what THEY WANT!

We as a hobby forum must dictate what is being collected and the prices that people should be paying. We cannot allow these cards to be selling for what they are selling for, its a travesty. The end of the hobby as we know it.

There shall be categories and prices set as follows

90s inserts - $10 bucks a piece
All other inserts - $5 bucks a piece
Patch / Memorabilia cards - $11 bucks a piece

Add $1 for /25 or greater numbered cards, $2 for lower numbered
Add $2 for superstars
Add $1 for cards that are Red, Green, Yellow or Blue

There, now everyone can be happy.

[kobe824]

Originally Posted by tristan20

We as a hobby forum must dictate what is being collected and the prices that people should be paying. We cannot allow these cards to be selling for what they are selling for, its a travesty. The end of the hobby as we know it.

LOL

Speaking of sell me your Jordam Blue...cheaper

[tristan20]

Originally Posted by kobe824

Speaking of sell me your Jordam Blue...cheaper

According to the new rules, that Jordan blue is now worth $9 bucks

[Haiku]

So let me get this straight...

When there is a MJ EXQUISITE that sells for x-amount of dollars 'It's too high' and 'I would rather get something else'

When there is a MJ PMG that sells for x-amount of dollars 'It's too high' and 'I would rather get Exquisite'

So which one is it?
Anywho, as stated by many above people will purchase what they want to purchase.
PMGs are not everyone, Just like fat girls are not for everyone.
Some people love them,Some people don't.

[kobe824]

Originally Posted by tristan20

According to the new rules, that Jordan blue is now worth $9 bucks

That works. What's your PayPal?!?!?