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Old 04-05-2015, 05:35 PM   #76
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Time for another round of 90's rookie parallels. Today I'm featuring 1995 Upper Deck Electric Gold. These were inserted into hobby packs at a rate of 1:35. They are differentiated by the gold foil logo in the upper corner featuring the word "Electric" on the football shaped design. Below is the entire rookie set. Enjoy!




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Another day another set. Today's feature is 1996 Summit Artist's Proofs, which is the toughest of the 1996 Summit parallels. Inserted in packs at a rate of 1:36 packs, they feature a rainbow foil treatment to the player's name, as well as the designation of "Artist's Proof" on the front of the card. I am still missing #163 Duane Clemons and #173 Walt Harris. Enjoy!




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Old 04-07-2015, 04:29 AM   #78
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WOW, Summit APs! That's my new Fav Ogden rookie....

1997 was such a bad year for rookies! I'm reduced to collecting an offensive lineman.

Ogden and T Gonzalez were the best of the bunch.
Tiki was good, but everyone hates him and they didn't win an SB until he was gone.

Nice cards, of course....

I'm still in the hunt for a 1994 Finest Refractor Milburn...I'm kicking myself for not over paying when it was on ebay a few months ago. I've been looking and they are no where!
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WOW, Summit APs! That's my new Fav Ogden rookie....

1997 was such a bad year for rookies! I'm reduced to collecting an offensive lineman.

Ogden and T Gonzalez were the best of the bunch.
Tiki was good, but everyone hates him and they didn't win an SB until he was gone.

Nice cards, of course....

I'm still in the hunt for a 1994 Finest Refractor Milburn...I'm kicking myself for not over paying when it was on ebay a few months ago. I've been looking and they are no where!
1997 was actually a good year, when you consider there were three rushers with over 10,000 yards rushing for their careers (Warrick Dunn, Corey Dillon & Tiki Barber), arguably the greatest TE of all time (Tony Gonzalez), two HOF linemen (Orlando Pace & Walter Jones), a future HOF pass-rusher (Jason Taylor) and a host of other stars (Jake Plummer, Peter Boulware, Ronde Barber, Derrick Mason). Again, not a huge year, but overall a pretty solid rookie class.

Ogden actually came from 1996's class, which also featured some tremendous players (Marvin Harrison, Ray Lewis, Zach Thomas, Terrell Owens, Ogden, Keyshawn Johnson, Tedy Bruschi, Eddie George, etc...)

That damn 1994 Finest Refractor Glyn Milburn is gonna be the death of me. It always seems to elude me, too!
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Up next is 1997 Pinnacle X-Press Autumn Warriors. These were inserted into pack at a rate of 1:7 and feature a full foil card stock. The cards are horizontal, so I'm copying them here in that orientation. I am still missing #124 Troy Davis and #131 Jake Plummer. Enjoy!




ha ha ha ha

Man, you can't top those extra cheesy photo ops. The Reidel has me rollin'...but it's pg-13 compared to a lot of the stuff Pro Line put out. Gotta love the 90's...this thread is epic!
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Man, you can't top those extra cheesy photo ops. The Reidel has me rollin'...but it's pg-13 compared to a lot of the stuff Pro Line put out. Gotta love the 90's...this thread is epic!
Oh, man. That Reidel Anthony and the Warrick Dunn always had me chuckling back in the day. This beauty from Marvin Harrison also had me thinking the photographer might have had a personal motive for taking this shot...

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Time for another rookie parallel set. Earlier, I featured the Atomic Refractor version of this set. Time to showcase 1996 Bowman's Best Refractors. These were randomly inserted in hobby packs at a rate of 1:12, and retail packs at a rate of 1:20, this set is a parallel to the base issue and virtually identical in design. The difference can be seen in the rainbow refractor background of the cards. This is the entire rookie set. Enjoy!





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Your collection never ceases to amaze, Greg.
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Thanks, man.
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Today we're going to take a slight deviation from "rookie parallels" and take a look at the complete set of 1998 Score Artist's Proofs, which does feature a very desirable Peyton Manning rookie parallel and some other guy named Ryan Leaf. The proofs set was randomly inserted into packs at the rate of 1:35. The 50-card set is a partial parallel version of the base set and is printed on unique prismatic foil cards. Enjoy!






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After a little break, time for another round. This is the set that started it all, 1996 Skybox Premium Rubies. These were a tough pull at one per box and feature a red foil logo where the player's name is and on the Skybox logo in the upper corner. This has been a rather tough set to put together. In fact, it's one of the only rookie parallel sets from 1996 that I have yet to complete. I'm missing the following players; #202 DeRon Jenkins, #204 Lance Johnston, #213 Ray Mickens, #219 Lawrence Phillips, #223 Detron Smith & #225 Amani Toomer. Enjoy!






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Old 05-08-2015, 12:32 AM   #87
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After a nice little break, time for another round of 90's rookie parallels. Up for today is 1995 Finest Refractors. The "rookie" subset for 1995 Finest was a bit odd in that it included true rookies from the 1995 Draft (e.g. Curtis Martin, Derrick Brooks, Joey Galloway) but also rookies from 1994 (e.g. Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, Kevin Mawae). I, being rather picky, only chased the refractors with the protective peel on the surface of the card. These were inserted at a rate of 1:12 packs. Below is the complete "rookie" subset. Enjoy!







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Nice stuff! I really like the look of those 94 refractors.
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Nice stuff! I really like the look of those 94 refractors.
Thank you! The 94 and 95 refractors from Finest really jump out when you see them in person. I've grown quite fond of them. They're a bit tough to find without refractor lines, but that makes the chase all the more enjoyable.
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Bumping this up.
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these are some sweet hits... btw did you ever get into the playoff momentum SSD x and o's parallel set? That looked pretty nice and were harder to pull
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these are some sweet hits... btw did you ever get into the playoff momentum SSD x and o's parallel set? That looked pretty nice and were harder to pull
Thanks! I stopped collecting rookie parallels following the 1998 season, so I never did get around to the 1999 or 2000 Momentum SSD Die Cut X's & O's inserts, but they are very nice. I did, however, collect the 1996 Playoff Prime X's & O's set.
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Time for another round of 90's rookie parallels. Today we take a look at a very complex set from 1997 Topps Finest. The 1997 Finest set featured several parallels including, Refractors, Embossed, Silver Embossed Refractors, Atomic Gold Refractors and even Atomic Die Cut (Embossed) Gold Refractors. Today, we'll focus on 1997 Topps Finest Refractors. These are the basic refractor cards for the bronze (common), silver (uncommon) and gold (rare) cards within the 1997 issue.

The bronze refractors featured some key rookies including Tony Gonzalez, Corey Dillon, Jake Plummer and Warrick Dunn, while the silver refractors feature a key Walter Jones and Orlando Pace rookie, although the gold refractor of Pace is more desirable due to scarcity. The bronze refractors were inserted at a rate of 1:12 packs, silver refractors were inserted at a rate of 1:48 and gold refractors were inserted at a brutally tough rate of 1:288 packs. Below is the entire rookie refractor set which was broken up into the "Impact" and "Masters" subsets. Enjoy!




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Keeping up with the 1997 Finest set, today's feature is 1997 Finest Gold Atomic Refractors. Very little is known about how these cards came to be, as they were not mentioned at all on the sell sheets, nor were they referenced on the back of packs when the odds were mentioned regarding insert sets. However, enough of them have reached the secondary market that they are now considered mainstream.

There are some interesting differences to note when comparing the 1997 Finest Gold Refractors with these Atomic Refractors, aside from the checkerboard refractor technology we're all familiar with. First, the Atomic Refractors did not come with the protective coating seen on the regular refractors and base cards from 1997 Finest. Additionally, the "Impact" logo is smaller than those found on the other cards from that subset. For comparison between the two sets, see the fourth photo in the previous post. It's an odd set to be sure, and there aren't too many of them out there. Some speculate that only 100 of each card were printed, but that has yet to be confirmed. Posted here is the entire rookie Gold Atomic Refractors set. Enjoy!

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Keeping up with the 1997 Finest set, today's feature is 1997 Finest Gold Atomic Refractors. Very little is known about how these cards came to be, as they were not mentioned at all on the sell sheets, nor were they referenced on the back of packs when the odds were mentioned regarding insert sets. However, enough of them have reached the secondary market that they are now considered mainstream.

There are some interesting differences to note when comparing the 1997 Finest Gold Refractors with these Atomic Refractors, aside from the checkerboard refractor technology we're all familiar with. First, the Atomic Refractors did not come with the protective coating seen on the regular refractors and base cards from 1997 Finest. Additionally, the "Impact" logo is smaller than those found on the other cards from that subset. For comparison between the two sets, see the fourth photo in the previous post. It's an odd set to be sure, and there aren't too many of them out there. Some speculate that only 100 of each card were printed, but that has yet to be confirmed. Posted here is the entire rookie Gold Atomic Refractors set. Enjoy!

Very cool...don't think I knew about these, probably because Tony G isn't in the set.
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Very cool...don't think I knew about these, probably because Tony G isn't in the set.
Thanks. It's a rather weird set, to be sure. I'm kind of baffled by them since Topps never announced they would be a part of the set. The Gold set didn't have many big rookies in it, aside from Orlando Pace. There was a time that the Ike Hilliard used to fetch $50-$60! My how times have changed.
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Thanks. It's a rather weird set, to be sure. I'm kind of baffled by them since Topps never announced they would be a part of the set. The Gold set didn't have many big rookies in it, aside from Orlando Pace. There was a time that the Ike Hilliard used to fetch $50-$60! My how times have changed.
I have a full set of these atomic refractors, I had a master set of 1997 Finest apart from the Embossed Refractors of #338 Jim Druckenmiller (once listed as a $200 card) and #346 Jeff Blake. All the Gold Embossed Ref were sold in 2012.
Still got all the embossed, base set refractor (except #340 Favre) and base with peel. I even tried to get the peel on the corners, not over the players face, took a lot more effort to locate those. #316 Trent Dilfer, #345 Drew Bledsoe, notorious for having the peel writing down the middle of the card (see your scan of Ike Hilliard and Rae Carruth).

Around 2000 in L.A. there was a seller who had three sets of the 'Atomic Refractors'. As the embossed refractors were 1:1152, a set or 3 sets would probably only be acquired directly from Topps. I collected from 2000-2012 to find 48 of 50 Gold embossed refractors through eBay, private buying etc. My belief is the 'atomics' were surplus stock that were made but never cut or embossed. I don't even know if it would be able to do that once they were cut to individual cards. They appeared via the secondary market, not in packs.

The diecut embossed refractors with the word IMPACT (for the gold rookies) in the background had to be smaller than the base / base refractor IMPACT had to be as the diecut would have removed some of the lettering.

The ink on the cards would sometimes be bold and deep, others were 'milky', the colors faded. I tried to find milky versions of the embossed refractors. A guess of the numbers made, in basketball (1997/98 Finest) the gold embossed refractors were numbered to 74, so rare, the silver embossed refractors were numbered to 263.
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This is by far my favorite thread on the boards. I love seeing the pics of these 90s gems and the background info is outstanding. You should send these in beckett each month for collectors to read, excellent work man!
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I have a full set of these atomic refractors, I had a master set of 1997 Finest apart from the Embossed Refractors of #338 Jim Druckenmiller (once listed as a $200 card) and #346 Jeff Blake. All the Gold Embossed Ref were sold in 2012.
Still got all the embossed, base set refractor (except #340 Favre) and base with peel. I even tried to get the peel on the corners, not over the players face, took a lot more effort to locate those. #316 Trent Dilfer, #345 Drew Bledsoe, notorious for having the peel writing down the middle of the card (see your scan of Ike Hilliard and Rae Carruth).

Around 2000 in L.A. there was a seller who had three sets of the 'Atomic Refractors'. As the embossed refractors were 1:1152, a set or 3 sets would probably only be acquired directly from Topps. I collected from 2000-2012 to find 48 of 50 Gold embossed refractors through eBay, private buying etc. My belief is the 'atomics' were surplus stock that were made but never cut or embossed. I don't even know if it would be able to do that once they were cut to individual cards. They appeared via the secondary market, not in packs.

The diecut embossed refractors with the word IMPACT (for the gold rookies) in the background had to be smaller than the base / base refractor IMPACT had to be as the diecut would have removed some of the lettering.

The ink on the cards would sometimes be bold and deep, others were 'milky', the colors faded. I tried to find milky versions of the embossed refractors. A guess of the numbers made, in basketball (1997/98 Finest) the gold embossed refractors were numbered to 74, so rare, the silver embossed refractors were numbered to 263.
Ah, this all makes a lot of sense. The die-cuts were supposed to have been embossed refractors, which for the gold cards were die cuts. Now the smaller "Impact" label makes all the sense in the world. This is tremendous insight here!

I think you and I have actually met before, believe it or not. I saw someone once at a card show who was trying to make a master set of 1997 Finest who wanted all of the cards to not have the coating covering the faces of the players. That guy specifically mentioned the Bledsoe card being a pain in ass to find without the coating covering his mug. That must have been you! Unless, of course, there's someone else out there who was trying to make the same set with the same specifications.

It really is something to consider how much they tougher cards in the set used to be worth. Those Gold Refractors were astronomically priced when the set first came out. I'm glad I didn't work on it until the prices took a big dip. They're still really tough to find - especially the embossed refractors. Speaking of, I know what you mean by the "milky" sheen on the Silver Embossed Refractors. I'm still working on collecting all of the rookies from that set, but those that I do have all have that milky feature to them. I actually kind of like it.

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This is by far my favorite thread on the boards. I love seeing the pics of these 90s gems and the background info is outstanding. You should send these in beckett each month for collectors to read, excellent work man!
That really means a lot to me, man. It's a huge compliment and makes it all worth while that I continue to post them here. As long as someone out there appreciates it, I'll certainly continue doing it and I have LOT more to put up! I've considered doing something with Beckett but I don't think my collection is what Beckett would consider worthy of a feature since I'm still working on a lot of the sets. I feel like, and perhaps I'm wrong, but they really like it when full sets are features as opposed to sets in progress. Perhaps I'll contact them at some point. Who knows, maybe the publicity will help me finish of the sets I can't find cards for!
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Kudos to you man on the 97 Tony Gonzalez Ruby...... I was only willing to go 180ish since I already have one...... but if I didn't, I have a feeling it would have went at least 100 higher. Congrats
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