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Old 09-14-2013, 05:43 PM   #326
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Old 09-14-2013, 07:56 PM   #327
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LOL! Seriously though...

This is one of the worst things that could happen to the basketball card market, say goodbye to valuable 90's Jordan Inserts that have been on Beckett's top 'cards of the month' forever.... Stop buying the cards from that era and the scammers can't push these off so easily for $2k... I never understood why these were so popular anyways... No autograph, just a weird design like all base cards...

For the people that bought these, I hope they're happy with them since the seller did nothing to state that these were not from a pack...
I've never had, nor been willing to spend what one costs to obtain, but they were very hard pulls (1:720) from a very expensive (at the time) product, and they supposedly look great. However who knows how many more (from uncut sheets) there now are in the market... But hey, as long as its for the kids...
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:02 PM   #328
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This should not be moved to the feedback forum! People in basketball hobby should know since its relevant to the hobby. Everyone prose contact mods to have this moved back! Why would blowoutcards knowingly help someone making fake cards?
Is this a serious question? Do you really believe that Blowout would do this?
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:26 PM   #329
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I really dont feel like reading this mess of a thread so can someone tell me if I am in the ballpark of whats going on here.


KenCope had an uncut sheet of cards and the Jordan was part of that sheet. He cut the sheet up and now has the card listed for sale on Ebay with no mentioning of the card coming from an uncut sheet and that it is not packed pulled?
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:41 PM   #330
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Bump for an answer to this question. I was wondering the same thing. It makes a very big difference in the level of fraud.

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Were these PMG's serial numbered completely in uncut sheet form (ie 2/50) or did the OP serial number these himself? If these were not serial numbered..I feel the OP is completely in the wrong adding to the population a rare insert that people who have purchased over the years as an "investment" for lack of a better word. If the OP did serial number these on his own and feels no difference that he or Fleer did it - that why choose Jordan's jersey number 45 so that way it's numbered to his jersey number to add "value to it' but not making it #23 as I feel that would have been a bit over the top.
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I really dont feel like reading this mess of a thread so can someone tell me if I am in the ballpark of whats going on here.


KenCope had an uncut sheet of cards and the Jordan was part of that sheet. He cut the sheet up and now has the card listed for sale on Ebay with no mentioning of the card coming from an uncut sheet and that it is not packed pulled?
Yes.

And has admitted to it, for his kids college funds, and he has no remorse and doesn't feel the prospective buyers should know this information.
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Old 09-14-2013, 09:21 PM   #332
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Yes.

And has admitted to it, for his kids college funds, and he has no remorse and doesn't feel the prospective buyers should know this information.
I sold my Body for My daughters dancing Lessons....And yes...I feel no remorse also
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:07 PM   #333
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It always makes me laugh that people with tens of thousands worth of cards claim they worry how they will pay for there kid's college

I mean his mail day was a card that alone is worth well into four digits
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:17 AM   #334
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I sold my Body for My daughters dancing Lessons....And yes...I feel no remorse also
Well that must be because you were a top and not a bottom.
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Here is how I see it. That card was not released through a pack. Who cares because it was manufactured by the company. How is this different than all the cards that get back doored through all card companies? The point is now number 45/50 is now on the market. Its not effecting the market and putting 51/50 on the market, an unnumbered, or self stamped 1/1. I really feel a lot of people are simply going overboard when they would do the same thing, deny it, then sell it. If he wanted to hide it he could have easily said no and he bought it. To me this does not effect the market or the value of the card.
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Old 09-15-2013, 10:28 AM   #336
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Here is how I see it. That card was not released through a pack. Who cares because it was manufactured by the company. How is this different than all the cards that get back doored through all card companies? The point is now number 45/50 is now on the market. Its not effecting the market and putting 51/50 on the market, an unnumbered, or self stamped 1/1. I really feel a lot of people are simply going overboard when they would do the same thing, deny it, then sell it. If he wanted to hide it he could have easily said no and he bought it. To me this does not effect the market or the value of the card.
get ready to get slaughtered.

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE HE EVEN TOLD PEOPLE HE WAS GONNA DO THIS 5 MONTHS AGO AND NO ONE SAID ANYTHING.


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Old 09-15-2013, 11:35 AM   #337
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The op is a tool with a less then stellar rep despite his protestations to the contrary.
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get ready to get slaughtered.

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE HE EVEN TOLD PEOPLE HE WAS GONNA DO THIS 5 MONTHS AGO AND NO ONE SAID ANYTHING.


http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...ick-sales.html
There is no point as some people are brain dead that can not see right and wrong .

The message is out for people to see that's good enough for the majority of collectors , for the sleepers meh who cares .

Karma hits them in the end and then the get hit with really bad month and no one cares about there sob story.

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Old 09-15-2013, 01:08 PM   #339
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Shocked this hasnt been locked or deleted yet.
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Old 09-15-2013, 11:27 PM   #341
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Ken how many Jambalaya sheets did you actually end up cutting?

....and are these Golden Touch cards sheet cut as well?????
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Old 09-15-2013, 11:35 PM   #342
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I've already answered that question......6 1/2. They were purchased from another member on here that tried to cut them up unsuccessfully.

I bought the Golden Touch cards exactly the way you see them (except they were all raw when I bought them and i had some graded).

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I've already answered that question......6 1/2. They were purchased from another member on here that tried to cut them up unsuccessfully.

I bought the Golden Touch cards exactly the way you see them.

Ken, have you got any understanding at all this is the wrong thing do regardless. You made a ton of cash by cheating and deceiving others.
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I've already answered that question......6 1/2. They were purchased from another member on here that tried to cut them up unsuccessfully.
Ken, who was that member ?
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:39 AM   #345
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SIX AND A HALF SHEETS??? Wow, totally rare then...... But I'm sure Fleer intended for these extra 6+ of each card to get out into the market, glad you're helping them after all these years...
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:45 AM   #346
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Not interested in subjecting anyone else to the witchhunt. Everyone has the link to the eBay purchase. Bought all from him.

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Ken, who was that member ?
You're welcome.

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SIX AND A HALF SHEETS??? Wow, totally rare then...... But I'm sure Fleer intended for these extra 6+ of each card to get out into the market, glad you're helping them after all these years...
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Not interested in subjecting anyone else to the witchhunt. Everyone has the link to the eBay purchase. Bought all from him.

You're welcome.
Ken who much did it cost you to get them cut?
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ken who much did it cost you to get them cut?
if it cost him $100,000 would it make you feel better?

What does this have to do with anything?
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Old 09-16-2013, 01:31 AM   #349
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if it cost him $100,000 would it make you feel better?

What does this have to do with anything?
Ha ha ha okkkie. Just asking out of curiosity

Ken, since you replied to all my questions and even sent me a private message, so can you reply to my question:

Do you understand your practices are deceitful and disliked by many here?
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Ha ha ha okkkie. Just asking out of curiosity

Ken, since you replied to all my questions and even sent me a private message, so can you reply to my question:

Do you understand your practices are deceitful and disliked by many here?
He doesn't care he is all about the money , I mean he has to provide .
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