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Old 03-21-2018, 02:18 PM   #26
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Unfortunately, both Jim Kyle and Gary Kezele have long histories of this non-delivery and lying to cover up nonsense.

We could fill the internet with tales of woe. Unfilled commissions, years-long delays, flat-out scams (Ray Dillon, hoo-boy), undelivered Kickstarters.

Frustrated Sketch Card Fanatics group on FB is my go-to today.
Can I get a link to that FB group? I just did some searching and any of the links I find seem to indicate that the group no longer exists.
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Old 03-21-2018, 02:39 PM   #27
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*UPDATE*

Jim responded to me very quickly after I demanded a refund last night. He sent me scans of 3 out of 4 of my art commissions penciled and ready to be inked. I am assuming he just banged them out yesterday so he had something to send me, but there seems to be hope on getting these from him. I am going to have to hound him until I get them. I told him that he can expect weekly messages from me until I get them in hand.

As for Gary Kezele, nothing new. My friend last heard from him a few days ago, where Gary apologized and said his whole family was sick and all this other stuff causing delays. I hope he isn't pulling the same stuff with us as he did with you all. I have read his emails, and he is always so nice and well spoken. It is surprising that he is not a trustworthy artist. If my buddy doesn't get updated scans showing that he has made progress by this weekend, he is going to try demanding a refund as I just did with Jim Kyle. Hopefully that will work, but I am not optimistic.
Glad it sounds like this will work out with Jim Kyle, even if it takes longer than expected.

For your friend, you mentioned it was a recent commission, right? Assuming he paid by paypal, then there is nothing to worry about (assuming he paid using a goods payment and not friends and family), you can make a paypal claim if you don't get anything. Just don't go past the time period to file a claim.
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Old 03-21-2018, 11:56 PM   #28
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Can I get a link to that FB group? I just did some searching and any of the links I find seem to indicate that the group no longer exists.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php...4389&ref=br_rs
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:09 AM   #29
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Old 03-23-2018, 11:05 AM   #30
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Just asked for a refund. We will see what Jim says.

And I can not believe Gary Kezele is another bad artist. My good friend JUST paid him for some star wars artist proofs sketches. This is a nightmare. With the Jim Kyle BS, I even checked the sketch card commissions thread you mentioned beforehand and Gary had all positive signs, so I had no reason to assume he was untrustworthy. That thread must be out of date or something.

We NEED to put together a thread of artists to avoid (with reasons why). To start it could include Jim Kyle, the people you mentioned, and that Hepner guy/people that were caught printing sketches.
I'm sure I posted about gary in that thread. I was super annoyed. But the front page may not have been updated. Luckily he didn't ask for money upfront. But that's also why I knew he was lying thru his teeth. No artist is going to ship a sketch, that you haven't seen any progress on, and haven't paid for. Lol. It was crazy. I wasn't the only one who got a fake tracking number. However, it's been...3 years maybe, so maybe your friend will get lucky and he has gotten his crap together. I can't even buy any of his sketches tho because the work is definitely soured when you have a really bad experience. I've of had 3 bad experiences out of the dozens and dozens I've commissioned tho. So don't let it scare you off. Honestly all 3 were with big name artists. At some point, some of them either get in over their head or think they are too good for deadlines, or just get lazy. I don't know, but I stick to artists I know or ones who are not generally as 'popular' and have had great results. That's not to say that there aren't big name's who aren't fantastic, because there are, and I do use them too occasionally if feedback looks good. I hope you can get your stuff resolved, even if it's just a refund.
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Old 03-23-2018, 11:12 AM   #31
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Glad it sounds like this will work out with Jim Kyle, even if it takes longer than expected.

For your friend, you mentioned it was a recent commission, right? Assuming he paid by paypal, then there is nothing to worry about (assuming he paid using a goods payment and not friends and family), you can make a paypal claim if you don't get anything. Just don't go past the time period to file a claim.
Definitely keep on him tho as he might only do enough each time to prove he's working on it.

Gary was always nice to talk to. But it was all lies. He's a smooth talker and his art is nice so you think he'll do it. It sounds like you're already getting excuses tho, so be careful. I'm not sure why he even bothered lying to me. He didn't didn't take my money up front. Thankfully. But I got jerked around for like 8 months and finally had to start over with someone new.
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Old 03-25-2018, 08:42 AM   #32
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I have had commissions done with both jim Kyle and Gary Kezele over the years but not recently. I never had issues with Gary, but i did have an issue with Jim. I put an open complaint on Scoundrel, and it got all nasty, but not by Jim, as he supported me, and he eventually came through. This is my experience. On the whole commissions are great experiences and i wouldnt advise against them.
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Old 03-25-2018, 03:11 PM   #33
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Kyle is a thief. Itís been 5 years since I paid him over $300 for multiple Game of Thrones commissions. One sob story and excuse after another while he continued to draw random cards/pieces and sell them on eBay. Turned me off of that particular side of the hobby for good.
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Old 03-25-2018, 04:22 PM   #34
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Periodically I post these suggestions and inevitably an artist will come in and say they can't a) afford art supplies w/o getting paid first or b) trust the people they are commissioning to complete the deal, so look forward to those responses here.

To solve this problem:

1) never pay everything in advance.
1a) If you do prepay, pay only via PayPal (never family and friends) and give them a deadline that falls before the PayPal refund request expires. If they don't meet the deadline, open a case with PayPal and get your money back.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:37 PM   #35
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Periodically I post these suggestions and inevitably an artist will come in and say they can't a) afford art supplies w/o getting paid first or b) trust the people they are commissioning to complete the deal, so look forward to those responses here.

To solve this problem:

1) never pay everything in advance.
1a) If you do prepay, pay only via PayPal (never family and friends) and give them a deadline that falls before the PayPal refund request expires. If they don't meet the deadline, open a case with PayPal and get your money back.
Savvy advice. There is no reason anybody needs to be paid 3, 6, 12, 24, etc months in advance.

If artists can't agree to collect payment no earlier than when they are ready to start with a commitment to finish and ship the piece within 30 days of said start, they have some problems I don't want to be part of.
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:59 AM   #36
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Kyle is a thief. Itís been 5 years since I paid him over $300 for multiple Game of Thrones commissions. One sob story and excuse after another while he continued to draw random cards/pieces and sell them on eBay. Turned me off of that particular side of the hobby for good.
Yea, but you shouldn't allow one person or even a few, to ruin something you enjoy. You're doing a disservice to yourself and to honest artists. Obviously don't go back to the offender, but getting new stuff from other artists shouldn't be ruined.
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:37 AM   #37
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Yea, but you shouldn't allow one person or even a few, to ruin something you enjoy. You're doing a disservice to yourself and to honest artists. Obviously don't go back to the offender, but getting new stuff from other artists shouldn't be ruined.
Quite agree - I've had commissions from various artists, all bar one have gone smoothly (the one that didn't was a real pain, but I got a full refund via PayPal). The one that went bad just means I'll never deal with that particular one again.

What it did make me realise was (a) always use PayPal Goods - cover the fee if you have to; and (b) keep in touch regularly, and if the 6 month PayPal timeline nears, communicate to the artist that you will escalate to PayPal within that time period - no excuses!

E-mail trails are always good secondary evidence if required - when I opened my case in PayPal I stated I had a full history of communications if required. It wasn't, as I got refunded very quickly, but it's good backup to have.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:33 AM   #38
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Jim Kyle is straight trash.

He'll dick you around an when it all goes to hell because he doesnt keep his word, he'll blast you on his fb page while telling half of the story...the half that makes him look good...not the half that caused the issue in the first place.
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