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06-09-2018, 09:13 AM | #1601 |
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If Trump is willing to pardon Ali for believing in his freedom and his rights to not go to the army, what is he saying about the current NFL players who believes in their rights and freedom to not stand for the anthem?
Funny thing is that Ali doesn’t need a pardon since the Supreme Court overturned his conviction back in 1971.
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06-09-2018, 01:59 PM | #1604 | |
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The actual word they would rather call "kneelers" is dependent upon either their most prevalent bigotry or else the particular group they are attacking via your preferred ad hominem method. But the main takeaway is that denying others their 1st Amendment rights by way of making them stand for a song or a flag is an affront to every sacrifice any American ever made to keep this country the land of the free.
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06-09-2018, 03:47 PM | #1605 |
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So, anyone changed their mind yet?
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06-09-2018, 07:53 PM | #1606 | |
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The other thing, as we start condoning forced patriotism, we start looking less and less like the America we are supposed to be. It won't be long before other countries start to call us out on our hypocrisy. We have to not just talk patriotism, but practice it. |
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06-09-2018, 08:41 PM | #1607 |
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But isn't it kind of a catch 22?
I mean I don't like the manner in which the NFL'ers are protesting, and by speaking my opinion on it, isn't that in of itself a form of protest? What about my freedom of speech? My right to protest? Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Last edited by Astros19; 06-09-2018 at 09:03 PM. |
06-09-2018, 09:18 PM | #1608 | |
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Not really a catch 22. It's just sad that some are more outraged over someone kneeling during the national anthem (which is a peaceful protest) than they are over American citizens being killed and in some cases their civil rights violated. Not a catch 22. We should be more concerned about the latter. |
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06-09-2018, 09:57 PM | #1609 | |
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Can I not be outraged over both, what I and many others see as disrespecting the flag and in essence those who fought and died for it, as I can be outraged over law enforcement wrongs and black Americans having their rights violated? In my eyes it goes back to the avenues protestors choose to deliver their message. I just don't understand the idea of pissing people off to try and sway their opinions or open their eyes to the problem. Just doesn't make sense to me. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk |
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06-09-2018, 10:44 PM | #1610 | |
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06-10-2018, 12:59 AM | #1611 |
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This is just a back and forth ugly topic to talk about sadly. My personal opinion. They should be able to do what they want. It's their right to protest. They aren't trying to hurt anyone or disrespect the flag. Just their way of protesting. I've seen people who are serving/did serve in the past that are against the protests, and others that see nothing wrong with it. It really is, just how you look at the situation, I'm sure if we sat down and talked to the NFL players face to face and they explained their reasoning for protesting, it would make others better understand this situation.
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06-10-2018, 06:38 AM | #1612 | |
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06-10-2018, 09:16 AM | #1613 | |
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and i remember correctly he was expected to be handed an top qb contract
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06-10-2018, 11:08 AM | #1614 |
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You're right! He opted out or would have been let go. But the point is.....He doesn't have a job and its directly related to the kneeling. But I think the point was understood without getting overly techincal with wording.
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06-10-2018, 11:46 AM | #1615 | |
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Cuba doesn't have our great constitutional laws. Those checks and balances are in place to prevent our nation from becoming like Cuba. Forced patriotism is something I would expect from Cuba, but would have never thought it would be supported here in America. |
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I do agree with you on the bolded. Re: the patriotism, doesn't it also prevent and/or publicly look down upon stuff like the crap Kaepernick pulled? |
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06-10-2018, 12:15 PM | #1617 | |
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Dawnta Harris is 17 and killed an officer. https://amp-wbaltv-com.cdn.ampprojec...ays%2F20898492 His own mother said the system failed because he couldn't be locked up. Years ago, I'm sure Dawnta would have been behind bars, but since we pity criminals, he was allowed to continue to commit crime. Remember, keeping people in jail just tears families apart, especially the kids..... I'd love to hear Kaep's opinion on Dawnta, but Kaep only speaks at certain events. He won't do interviews, probably because he won't want to answer the tough questions. |
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06-10-2018, 12:37 PM | #1618 | |
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06-10-2018, 12:48 PM | #1619 |
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How about by lying about that?
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06-10-2018, 03:13 PM | #1620 |
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Believe it or not, there is a middle ground called truth that lies between the last 2 posts, or maybe I should say posters..
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06-10-2018, 03:30 PM | #1621 |
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No lie about it at all. Kaepernick and the kneelers make broad accusations that there is systemic racism in America oppressing entire races of people and cops are targeting and slaughtering minorities. It's not true at all, but SJW's aren't really in it for the truth. More for the attention.
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06-20-2018, 03:42 PM | #1622 |
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Here we go again. Still do not understand in this day and age why all police officers do not have body cams. Ugh.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/antwon-...-fatally-shot/
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06-20-2018, 06:06 PM | #1623 | |
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But why are two fleeing the scene and running from cops when they know what’s been happening lately with police shootings? Stay and accept the consequences of crimes they obviously committed or run and you might get shot from a nervous cop dealing with a car of three possible suspects with guns in the car and bullet holes in the window. Sounds like an area riddled with shootings and crime based on the article. Time to start taking back your neighborhoods people. |
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06-20-2018, 11:48 PM | #1625 |
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Yes, he's said that repeatedly.
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