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Old 04-23-2018, 02:58 PM   #51
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The market is already speaking. Player-worn vet patches are dropping under $10 for quite a few current stars (especially if it's a weak patch), and getting close to that mark for some of the HOFers - a Howie Long patch (good for a Raiders patch) went for $10.50 yesterday.

Some veteran player-worn patch autos are also now ending under $10.

Rookie patches are also tanking - lots of them are going for $10 or under, including 1st round picks.
Good i am glad to see people losing money on this crap. Until group break participants start losing their asses Panini will keep doing this.

I cannot even fathom having any of those 4 1/1 cards in my collection that have the persons name on the patch.
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Old 05-02-2018, 11:52 AM   #52
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I think this practice is somewhat misunderstood by collectors. The update cards aren't included to reduce Panini's costs. They've already produced them, so the costs would be figured into their previous budgets.

They've also restricted the practice to their cornerstone high-end sets: Immaculate, NT, and Flawless. The update cards aren't scrubs, either; I don't think anyone's complaining about getting a Jim Brown or John Elway on-card patch auto. These are the cards that are too valuable to dump on Panini Rewards.

If you look at any checklist for Immaculate, NT, or Flawless, there are typically gaps in the numbering with no explanation as to why. At least some of these are filled in by update cards years later. I've never heard an explanation for the logic behind leaving them off the checklist instead of issuing them as redemptions. (For Immaculate and NT, at least; Flawless has never included redemptions.) I would think it's either some sort of contractual issue or they genuinely don't know when they're getting the cards signed by the players.

As a side note, the sell sheet for 2017 Flawless mentioned Drew Bledsoe as a first-time signer for the set, but when it was released, he wasn't on the checklist. Since he has redemptions in 2017 Select, it's likely that Panini printed up Flawless cards for him and he just hasn't signed them yet. Don't be surprised when a whole bunch of 2017 Bledsoe autos turn up in 2018 Flawless.
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Old 05-02-2018, 10:45 PM   #53
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OP, can you send me your spreadsheet? I have some studying and comparisons to do.

Thanks!
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Old 05-03-2018, 02:59 AM   #54
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OP, can you send me your spreadsheet? I have some studying and comparisons to do.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

I've published it to Google Sheets. You can view it at the link above and download it in whatever format you need. Other than a few of the players with only 1/1s, the table is (finally) complete.
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Rookie jumbo patches have always been player-worn. They're selling far more poorly this year than before.
Matt Breida and Zay Jones under $10 quickly is no surprise, but John Ross and Mike Williams under that Mark is.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

I've published it to Google Sheets. You can view it at the link above and download it in whatever format you need. Other than a few of the players with only 1/1s, the table is (finally) complete.
Thanks! I'm going to do some hunting for these specific players GU items online and see what they tend to sell for and get an idea what could be the overhead and what the actual overhead on this product is.

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Rookie jumbo patches have always been player-worn. They're selling far more poorly this year than before.
Matt Breida and Zay Jones under $10 quickly is no surprise, but John Ross and Mike Williams under that Mark is.
To be fair, Mike Williams and John Ross barely played in 2017. They're lottery tickets at this point.
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