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05-15-2018, 09:30 PM | #1 |
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Dual Logoman Replacement Rant.
Mods please delete this thread. Done ranting.
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05-15-2018, 09:58 PM | #2 |
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The entire redemption process is a joke and I am pretty sure it is illegal but card companies continue to get away with it because we don't make a fuss about it. If they don't have the card, they shouldn't include it in the product. Plain and simple. The only time a redemption should be used is if it is for something too large to fit in the pack and even then they should have them on hand.
Let's just say I have a redemption for Kevin Durant and I am a fan of the Warriors. This would be a great card for my collection. However, they are unable to obtain this card. So, instead they send me a James Harden card. Now, as far as money value goes these cards are probably close to value. But, I am not a fan of James Harden and I have zero interest in this card. It does not have the same value as a Kevin Durant card in my eyes. It really is nonsense. I spend X amount of money on there product, get a redemption and then have to wait 2 years to get my card and even then I might not get it. How would they like it if I bought X amount of there product and then decided to pay for it 8 months later only to pay for it in Euros instead of the American dollar as promised because it is of equal or lesser value? Essentially that is what they are doing and it isn't right. I've been burned a few times on redemptions and because of that I no longer redeem any of them. Don't care how great the card sounds. |
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It's probably not illegal. I think you mean to say it should be illegal. But not actually illegal, because they don't make guarantees about replacing cards to exact same value cards according to the collectors/customers. I don't think Panini would try to do something blatantly illegal in that regard, and I think they would have proper disclaimers and careful wording about it to get around it.
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05-15-2018, 10:56 PM | #5 |
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Good lord, you asked for Kobe or Curry in place of whoever the funk those two guys are on your redemption? Of course Panini is gonna tell you to pound sand, you aimed waaaay too high, ask for other rookies. There can't be any guys worse than your two, literally anyone else is an upgrade....
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So a $100 Kobe auto is not at all ridiculous. There are a lot of Kobe autos that are only around $100. |
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05-15-2018, 11:23 PM | #8 | |
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05-15-2018, 11:25 PM | #9 |
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05-15-2018, 11:31 PM | #10 |
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^Ah yes I'll just 20 to 30 bucks more and I can buy a common curry auto on ebay. And i said 80 to 120 bucks not 100. Still wont accept that value for trade.
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05-15-2018, 11:40 PM | #11 |
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Yes, I just took the average, because your range was from 80 to 120. I think the logoman autos are above 120, but it'll be interesting what Panini says.
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05-15-2018, 11:40 PM | #12 |
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I doubt they thought you were asking for a basic Curry or Kobe auto. They probably thought you were asking for a rare one, as many people do. Have had to do a higher end replacement than this one and it went flawless.
Dual auto logoman from Immaculate of Patrick McCaw and Stephen Zimmerman just sold for $406, gotta say their valuation was very fair.
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05-15-2018, 11:48 PM | #13 |
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^I'm not disputing their valuation. I asked them for a list of kobe or Curry cards they have. Collecting is subjective. I don't like other players. But saying that they don't have curry or kobe for trade when kobe is your spokesman is just making the end collector look dumb and they are outright lying. They already misled the first time not disclosing the real situation of the lost card.
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05-16-2018, 12:15 AM | #15 | |
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And you saying Curry has been signing in your post to conclude that Panini is lying about there not being extra Curry autos... I mean Curry is probably signing cards for outstanding redemptions that have to be kept in stock or newer releases. All I'm saying is, knowing that there have certainly been known cases where redemption replacement has led to great names like Giannis, Magic, etc., I don't know if you should flat out accuse them of lying when you don't know their end of the story–you don't know their inventory, you're just making speculations that may not be true. Alright, I've gotten the feeling that you're quite defensive, so I'm going to stop here b/c I don't want to waste my time on a back and forth. I think Panini will try to do right to some extent in this case, so maybe cooperate with them to get a similar value card that you can sell to buy your Kobe/Curry autos or ask another representative or something. |
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05-16-2018, 06:39 AM | #16 | |
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If you look at the fine print on pretty much any product, they put that the solicitation is subject to change (or something similar). That includes pretty much anything and everything to do with the product. Additionally, even if it was illegal, at the absolute most it would be false advertising. Which is basically a nothing crime as far as the government is concerned. They have much bigger things to worry about, especially given that Topps and even Panini are relatively small companies. Another additionally. Even if something were to happen, Topps and Panini could easily argue that the people who have a claim are the people who purchased from them, AKA the distributors. And I'm willing to bet there's 0% chance they are willing to voice any concern. |
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05-16-2018, 09:13 AM | #18 |
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It's up to us as collectors to revolt against redemptions, just like sticker autos, etc. Don't buy the products. They'll get the hint when it hits the bottom line.
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05-16-2018, 10:20 AM | #19 |
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This is just one of the reasons why I don't do wax breaks anymore. Too many redemptions and no way to guarantee you will get the card or similar value if the card never arrives. Bad customer service to have a client waiting 3 years on something and then get picky on the replacement.
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05-16-2018, 10:29 AM | #20 |
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This is why I generally sell redemptions of bigger cards and buy redemptions of smaller cards. If it is a smaller card and not made, I have a stockpile of value that can get me a nicer card or two in exchange. If the larger redemption isn't made, then I get multiple smaller cards, leaving the whole experience with a less than pleasant feeling.
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05-16-2018, 10:43 AM | #21 | |
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Topps made thousands of dollars by advertising HHH autographs in that product. There were several people buying this product only because of this and then to find out he isn't even in the product. That is false advertising and it is illegal weather they have fine print or not. |
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05-16-2018, 11:08 AM | #22 | |
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05-16-2018, 01:13 PM | #23 |
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Okay, so I do believe there is a bit at fault on your end when it came to the understanding of a list of players you wanted. Panini could care less when it comes to "sell value" and they have their own estimated evaluation of the card. You said they put it at $400-500 which I assume they told you that is what they have the card priced at. When you said Kobe or Curry, they do not assume you are asking for some simple auto of theirs, but something of near numbering or near rarity. You also have to consider they evaluate the cards by Beckett value not by what the "Ebay Sell Value" is. So asking for such a card of similar rarity of that type of player will obviously exceed the same value of the card you are replacing.
What you should have done in my opinion is make it specific that you would like a player of the caliber of Kobe or Curry that is equal to the evaluation of the dual logoman OR you don't shoot that high and ask for current rookies like Tatum, Mitchell, Simmons even...
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I highly doubt Panini would set themselves up for lawsuits over redemption replacements by not being careful with disclaimers and proper wording, etc. But who knows. |
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