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View Poll Results: When will the NL adopt the DH?
Within 3 Years 23 18.11%
Within 5 Years 17 13.39%
Within 10 Years 14 11.02%
Never! 73 57.48%
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Old 06-21-2018, 08:38 AM   #1
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Default When will the NL adopt the DH?

I'm a baseball traditionalist who detests the proliferation of advanced statistics and the effect they have had on the game. However, I have never enjoyed seeing pitchers bat. I've always thought pitchers should pitch and hitters should hit. Which is why I would love to see a DH in the NL.

It seems that the talk of a DH in the NL is picking up steam. Rob Manfred said just the other day, "That is a continuing source of conversation among the ownership group and the dialogue actually moved a little bit."

So what say you BO? Several options to vote. And of course its open for discussion.
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Old 06-21-2018, 08:42 AM   #2
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DH in both leagues,
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let the NL pitchers hit and the AL DH in interleague play & world Series

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Old 06-21-2018, 08:48 AM   #3
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I hope the answer is never, but I bet it’s within 5 years.

One of the key Questions about any changes in the game is, Does it make the game more entertaining? (Replay...) Bartolo Colon’s Home Run was probably a more celebrated and remembered moment than anything a DH has done the last couple years. Every time Madison Bumgatner hits, people watch because he’s the best hitting pitcher in baseball. The rare pitcher hit is entertaining because it’s so unexpected.

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I'd prefer never, but it's inevitable.
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Old 06-21-2018, 09:18 AM   #5
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It is not fair when an AL club plays interleague in a NL park to force them to have their pitchers bat. Their teams are not designed for that and in some cases they pay huge amounts of $ to their DH to sit. At the very least they should allow for a DH in all interleague games.
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I'm hoping that the AL finally gives up the DH and goes back to pitchers batting (I understand that the likelihood of this is zero). One of the most exciting moments I've ever had watching a baseball game happened with a relief pitcher batting in a playoff game. I generally don't even bother watching my team when they play in a AL ballpark because it's just not as enjoyable to watch.
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I'm hoping that the AL finally gives up the DH and goes back to pitchers batting (I understand that the likelihood of this is zero). One of the most exciting moments I've ever had watching a baseball game happened with a relief pitcher batting in a playoff game. I generally don't even bother watching my team when they play in a AL ballpark because it's just not as enjoyable to watch.
Really?????
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I love the strategic side of baseball, NL needs to stay put.
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Really?????
Really.

My team just played in an AL ballpark earlier this week. Watched a few innings, then turned it off because it just wasn't as enjoyable. My wife was extremely confused about me turning off the game since it's not a normal thing for me.

The moment I was referring to was Archie Bradley hitting a two run triple in the NL Wild Card game last year. One of the most exciting moments I've had watching a game.
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Old 06-21-2018, 10:09 AM   #10
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I've always thought pitchers should pitch and hitters should hit.
I'm completely opposite. The game was invented with the intention of the nine players on each team had to field and hit. The DH inevitably made it where half the league fields 9 1/2 players.

With that said...
Do I like watching pitchers hit? Not really.
Will the NL ever use a DH? Probably.


I would equate the DH to the NBA changing the way free throws are done. Why not allow a bench-playing free throw specialist take all of them instead of players who "might not be very good at it"?
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Old 06-21-2018, 10:21 AM   #11
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I’m a traditionalist who despises watching 99% of pitchers hitting. There are anomalies such as Smoltz, Bumgarner, Scherzer that seem like they love to hit. Most of them straight up SUCK. It’s a much-more-often-than-not easy out and it degrades the offense.

I like watching pitchers hit AFTER they plunked somebody and it definitely makes a pitcher think twice about doing it on purpose. Except for that complete and utter MORON Hunter Strickland. Hitting a guy batting .180 because he celebrated a hit, causing Buster to get buzzed with a pitch and then breaking your hand because you acted like a child. That guys got issues and it’s too bad Bochy doesn’t let him hit.
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I hope the answer is never, but I bet itís within 5 years.

One of the key Questions about any changes in the game is, Does it make the game more entertaining? (Replay...) Bartolo Colonís Home Run was probably a more celebrated and remembered moment than anything a DH has done the last couple years. Every time Madison Bumgatner hits, people watch because heís the best hitting pitcher in baseball. The rare pitcher hit is entertaining because itís so unexpected.
This completely ignores the thousands of other at bats that produce a result slightly better than throwing your average beer league softball hitter out there.

How many rallys are killed by walking the #8 hitter to load the bases for the pitcher with two outs? How many sacrifice bunts are completely botched that lead to a runner on first with 2 outs? Or worse, end up in a double play? I like seeing good baseball. Pitchers hitting is not good baseball.

I also hope they adopt it to even the playing field between AL and NL teams. NL teams are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to signing top hitting players that suck in the field. Nelson Cruz (or any number of similar players) was never an option for a Cardinals team that would kill to have someone hit 40 home runs in the middle of their lineup. Both leagues need the same rules, whatever they are. It will just inevitably end up being the dh in both leagues.
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Old 06-21-2018, 10:55 AM   #13
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hopefully never

seems most folks think Baseball was invented in 1973
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It is not fair when an AL club plays interleague in a NL park to force them to have their pitchers bat. Their teams are not designed for that and in some cases they pay huge amounts of $ to their DH to sit. At the very least they should allow for a DH in all interleague games.
This is one of the best ideas I've heard yet. It's sort of kowtowing to the AL in general but I guess if the NL team still wanted their pitcher to hit if he is decent enough, they should also be offered that chance with no issues later in the game with not allowing a DH to take over for a reliever.
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It is not fair when an AL club plays interleague in a NL park to force them to have their pitchers bat. Their teams are not designed for that and in some cases they pay huge amounts of $ to their DH to sit. At the very least they should allow for a DH in all interleague games.
Thatís why they call it home-field advantage, especially in this case.
Conversely an NL teamís DH is not going to be as good as the AL teams when going to their ballpark.
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It will absolutely happen, this isn't a question of whether we think it should or shoudn't, it was posed as a question of when do we think it will happen.

Within 5 years is my guess, but definitely within 10 for sure.




The AL teams are going to continue to put pressure on the NL teams to pass this, and all it will take is a few NL teams to lose pitchers due to batting related injuries for this to gain enough steam to pass
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This completely ignores the thousands of other at bats that produce a result slightly better than throwing your average beer league softball hitter out there.

How many rallys are killed by walking the #8 hitter to load the bases for the pitcher with two outs? How many sacrifice bunts are completely botched that lead to a runner on first with 2 outs? Or worse, end up in a double play? I like seeing good baseball. Pitchers hitting is not good baseball.

I also hope they adopt it to even the playing field between AL and NL teams. NL teams are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to signing top hitting players that suck in the field. Nelson Cruz (or any number of similar players) was never an option for a Cardinals team that would kill to have someone hit 40 home runs in the middle of their lineup. Both leagues need the same rules, whatever they are. It will just inevitably end up being the dh in both leagues.
Yes it ignores that. But I’m also a fan of the entertainment of strategy. I find it more interesting for a team to have to work around the Pitcher hitting. But I’m also it the average fan, so maybe that part of it should not be in the thought process for the MLB. I would argue that pitchers hitting is good baseball.

I do agree that it is inevitable though. It is silly for the rules to be different in both leagues. And pitchers getting injured on the basepaths is stupid and not good for baseball.. Although it seems like it only really happens to AL pitchers who aren’t used to running the bases.
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I have a friend that refers to the DH as the Roe v Wade of baseball..........poor taste, funny, or accurate?
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Crazy that the best hitters were also your best pitchers from youth leagues to high school. Now pitchers can't figure out which end of the bat they are supposed to use. Pitchers arms are falling off left and right. Bunch of pansies
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I can nearly guarantee that you align with whatever league your favorite team plays in. If you are a Boston or NYY fan...you appreciate the DH much more than the fans of LAD or SFG. If you ask any coach/manager which league is more strategic...it's always the NL over the AL. It's actually a question of if you want to see the double switch a part of baseball or not.
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what strategy???
a pitcher is due up, with men on base and they need the runs, they bat for him...
if a pitcher comes in the game , the guy who batted last comes out for a double switch so the pitcher "DOESNT HAVE TO HIT" for at least 8 batters..
Real strategy...
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what strategy???
a pitcher is due up, with men on base and they need the runs, they bat for him...
if a pitcher comes in the game , the guy who batted last comes out for a double switch so the pitcher "DOESNT HAVE TO HIT" for at least 8 batters..
Real strategy...
You're beyond naive if you think that's all there is to a double switch.
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